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White House plan would create Palestinian state; Proposal goes beyond just endorsing idea...
USA Today ^

Posted on 05/30/2002 5:20:31 PM PDT by RCW2001

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:39:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON -- The United States is working on a Middle East peace proposal that would include creating an independent Palestinian state, senior administration officials said Wednesday.

Such a plan would go a step further than the previous U.S. position, which was merely to endorse the idea of statehood.


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1 posted on 05/30/2002 5:20:31 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
So is this rewarding murderers and terrorists?

Or falling in line with the Clintons?

or both?


2 posted on 05/30/2002 5:28:14 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: RCW2001
An independent Palestinian state should be set up, but delayed by one week for each innocent person murdered by Islamist terrorists. Retroactive to 9/10, say.
3 posted on 05/30/2002 6:07:15 PM PDT by omega4412
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4 posted on 05/30/2002 6:08:25 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: RCW2001
What are they going to do, when the State of Palestine conducts terror attacks on Israel and maybe Jordan. Do we take their State away?
5 posted on 05/30/2002 6:17:11 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: omega4412
An independent Palestinian state should be set up, but delayed by one week for each innocent person murdered by Islamist terrorists. Retroactive to 9/10, say.

And moved forward by one week for each innocent Palestinian murdered by Israeli terrorists...retroactive to the Balfour Declaration.

6 posted on 05/30/2002 6:57:32 PM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; Yehuda; Simcha7
Officials say they hope the U.S. proposal, which would offer guidelines for dealing with some of the most nagging problems that divide Israelis and Palestinians, would be unveiled by July.

June 27th to July 18th, three weeks of mourning.

7 posted on 05/30/2002 7:09:08 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; Light Speed
Looks like the White House is still a Whore House, this time a whoring after strange gods.

Many G-d fearing men fought for freedom and America in WWII and won.  Now most have died.  America has now fallen away and missed the message of the towers.  Joshua won many battles and after he and those of his generation died (Judges 2:6 ff.), the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord and served other gods which are no gods, and provoked the Lord to anger and judgment fell on Joshua's descendants.

Jg 2:11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:
12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

8 posted on 05/30/2002 7:17:11 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Diogenesis
So is this rewarding murderers and terrorists? Or falling in line with the Clintons? or both?

Rewarding terrorists. Don't worry, they mean us no harm.

Give Arafat credit, he reads the American political climate well.

9 posted on 05/30/2002 7:54:53 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Kermit
No, we declare them to be Mexicans give,them immediate amnesty and bring them to the states. Then we give them welfare and a free college education. Are we a great country or what?
10 posted on 05/30/2002 8:19:53 PM PDT by willyone
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To: Kermit
I>What are they going to do, when the State of Palestine conducts terror attacks on Israel and maybe Jordan. Do we take their State away?

Yes.

And that's the end of it. From then, kill, jail, deport terrorists until the violence ends.

11 posted on 05/30/2002 8:31:24 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: hangin' chad
And moved forward by one week for each innocent Palestinian murdered by Israeli terrorists...retroactive to the Balfour Declaration.

I applaud this idea. Of course, since there has never, ever been an independent state called "Palestine", there can not be any people called "Palestinians". Now, Chief Terrorist and Mass Murderer Arafat has created the myth of a "Palestinian people" as part of his propaganda campaign against Israel and we have evidence that you subscribe to this Arab propaganda wholeheartedly. However, despite your deeply held beliefs, it is still propaganda.

12 posted on 05/30/2002 9:08:53 PM PDT by BenF
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To: BenF
Now, Chief Terrorist and Mass Murderer Arafat has created the myth of a "Palestinian people" as part of his propaganda campaign against Israel and we have evidence that you subscribe to this Arab propaganda wholeheartedly. However, despite your deeply held beliefs, it is still propaganda.

Ben boy, its great to hear from you again! Apparently my President (that would by George Bush) also subscribes to this myth of Palestine. Unfortunately, you seem to believe that my President has fallen victim to "Arab propaganda". I realize that your leader (Mr. Sharoniac a/k/a Israel's #1 war criminal) does not believe in a Palestinian state and thinks that the Palestinians should be "transferred". I'll go with my leader's beliefs, you go with yours.

13 posted on 05/30/2002 9:21:53 PM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: NixonDude
There can not have been any event known as The Holocaust either.

I have no doubt that, in your world, the Holocaust never occurred. However, in the real world, it did. The so-called "Palestinians" are another story. They are no different from other Arabs. They do not have a separate language, culture, faith, or even cuisine. Therefore, what makes them a separate people?

15 posted on 05/30/2002 9:48:58 PM PDT by BenF
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To: omega4412
An independent Palestinian state should be set up, but delayed by one week for each innocent person murdered by Islamist terrorists. Retroactive to 9/10, say.
LOL, I nominate you to head the project... You're certainly a lot smarter and creative.
16 posted on 05/30/2002 9:53:46 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: hangin' chad
Ben boy, its great to hear from you again!

Always nice to expose your ignorance.

Apparently my President (that would by George Bush) also subscribes to this myth of Palestine. Unfortunately, you seem to believe that my President has fallen victim to "Arab propaganda".

The President has to play politics. It is unfortunate that he lacks the bravery to tell the truth, but it is understandable.

I realize that your leader (Mr. Sharoniac a/k/a Israel's #1 war criminal) does not believe in a Palestinian state and thinks that the Palestinians should be "transferred".

Ah, the mature name calling again. No matter, let's deal with the lack of facts in your statement. Sharon does believe in a "Palestinian State" and has said so. Moreover, he does not advocate transfer. And, as I have pointed out previously, neither do I. So, we see you are wrong again. Nothing new there.

I'll go with my leader's beliefs, you go with yours.

Excellent. My leader is G-D, and I do go along with Him. You, of course, do not.

17 posted on 05/30/2002 9:54:56 PM PDT by BenF
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To: BenF
The so-called "Palestinians" are another story. They are no different from other Arabs. They do not have a separate language, culture, faith, or even cuisine. Therefore, what makes them a separate people?

Ben, Ben, Ben c'mon and think before you post. You see, the U.N, the European Union, the Bush White House, the Chinese, etc. believe in a Palestinian state. It's only you, Sharoniac, the New Kach party and a few other fanatics that believe in killing off or "transferring" the Palestinians who have already been made refugees once. Why don't you join in and give these folks a break. After all, a secure and independent Palestine would be good for Isreal. The alternative is only more bloodshead on both sides.

18 posted on 05/30/2002 10:00:43 PM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: BenF
The President has to play politics. It is unfortunate that he lacks the bravery to tell the truth,

I get it now, President Bush and I are not only morons, but we lack courage for failing to support the right wing of Israeli politics. Lord knows we need more great Americans like you, Ben.

19 posted on 05/30/2002 10:05:46 PM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: BenF
"Ah, the mature name calling again. "

Dude, you and Moronica are the biggest name callers on this site.

21 posted on 05/30/2002 10:31:07 PM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: Kermit
No. Israel would then have a COUNTRY to declare war on.
23 posted on 05/30/2002 10:48:40 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Yehuda
Unfortunately, a "country" that other "countries" would then have freer reign to ship WMD to...

Look, do you actually believe that the Palestinians can make a go on their own? There will be a minimum of 5 years of infighting to even form a "government" No pro "Palestinian" Middle Eastern" country is willing to help them if it costs anything. There is no percentage in developing WMD capabilities in a Palestinian ghetto. At least that is my opinion.

25 posted on 05/30/2002 10:56:48 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
"No. Israel would then have a COUNTRY to declare war on."

Yup ! They don't get it do they ?

26 posted on 05/30/2002 11:07:11 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: Texasforever
"Look, do you actually believe that the Palestinians can make a go on their own? "

Apply that same logic back to Israel back in 1948 or what every year ot was?

They made it because the USA paid their way !

27 posted on 05/30/2002 11:08:40 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules
They made it because the USA paid their way !

That is not exactly the case. The US gave Israel very little in the way of monetary support until the 1960's. But you make a valid point. The "Palestinian state" will just be another welfare state. Two things will come from this. Either the Palestinians will be satisfied and live in peace OR they will continue their suicidal tendencies but without the facade of being "occupied" people. That is what I meant about a country to declare war on, not just a "people".

28 posted on 05/30/2002 11:15:18 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Yehuda
and moved backward one millenium for every breath taken by supporters of muslim terrorism here on FR.

I really haven't encountered any supporters of Muslim terrorism here on FR...you must be hangin' out with the wrong crowd. I have run into a few rabid Zionists...watch out for them. They're really radical, always talking and joking about killing "Palis", etc. The best way to deal with them is to hit the abuse button. By the way, I know you meant no disrespect to anyone, but "Muslim" should be capitalized.

29 posted on 05/31/2002 6:16:11 AM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: Aim small miss small
Dude, you and Moronica are the biggest name callers on this site.

I'm calling you on this one, missy. Prove it.

Hint: I almost always imply something about someone, and rarely, if ever, call a name. For example, in this post to you, I never call you a liar, but it is implied.

30 posted on 05/31/2002 6:18:09 AM PDT by BenF
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To: hangin' chad
Ben, Ben, Ben c'mon and think before you post.

You should take your own advice.

You see, the U.N, the European Union, the Bush White House, the Chinese, etc. believe in a Palestinian state.

So what? Morally, they are all wrong to do so.

It's only you, Sharoniac, the New Kach party and a few other fanatics that believe in killing off or "transferring" the Palestinians who have already been made refugees once.

As usual, you are incorrect. I have never advocated killing off or transferring the so-called "Palestinians". But while we're on the subject of refugees, can you explain to me why all the people, nations, and organizations you mentioned above failed to call for a Palestinian State when Jordon and Egypt controlled the territories? You can't? What a surprise!

Why don't you join in and give these folks a break.

Because people who celebrate while their Arab buddies murder over 3000 of my countrymen don't deserve a break. Obviously, you feel differently about those who rejoiced at the murders of my countrymen. Again, no surprise.

After all, a secure and independent Palestine would be good for Isreal. The alternative is only more bloodshead on both sides.

Well, judging by your previous posts, the only bloodshed you care about is when so-called "Palestinians" are killed. So can your false concern about "both sides". Moreover, you cannot prove that a "secure and independent Palestine" would be good for Israel or is even achievable. After all, just how many Arab democracies are there?

31 posted on 05/31/2002 6:24:07 AM PDT by BenF
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To: hangin' chad
Lord knows we need more great Americans like you, Ben.

First thing you've said that makes any sense.

32 posted on 05/31/2002 6:24:55 AM PDT by BenF
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To: hangin' chad
I get it now, President Bush and I are not only morons, but we lack courage for failing to support the right wing of Israeli politics.

I don't recall ever calling either you or the President a moron so maybe you could point that out to me? But, yes, the President lacks the courage to tell the whole truth about the so-called "Palestinians". After September 11th, he said some brave words about terrorists. Then he failed to apply those standards to those who blow up little Jewish children. If that's not moral cowardice, then what is it?

BTW, as regards YOUR courage, I never said a word about it. However, I harbor no illusions about that either.

33 posted on 05/31/2002 6:28:36 AM PDT by BenF
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To: NixonDude
And the relevance of this, vis a vis land / political/ legal rights is what exactly?

The relevance is that they have no land/political/legal rights except those given to them by those who control the area, and Israel has been more than generous in that regard. The lie that they are a distinct people and thus entitled to rights as a distinct people should be exposed. The land was never, ever theirs. They exist on it due to the generousity of the Israelis and, had it not been for the UN and the other Arab countries, their existance would be much better than it is. In 1967, when Israel first won the lands in a defensive war, they offered to provide basic humanitarian care to these people and help them build decent homes, hospitals, schools, etc. But the UN and the other Arabs, wanting to keep these people in shabby conditions so that they could exploit them and keep their hatred alive, told Israel not to do it. Israel should not have listened.

34 posted on 05/31/2002 6:38:03 AM PDT by BenF
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To: BenF
Good morning Ben, how is everything at the ADL today.

I have never advocated killing off or transferring the so-called "Palestinians".

Please explain just what you and Sharoniac would do to these people you hate so much.

35 posted on 05/31/2002 6:40:59 AM PDT by hangin' chad
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To: america-rules
They made it because the USA paid their way !

The US provided about 3% of their GNP by giving the Israelis a credit to buy American arms and goods. Hardly, "paying their way". But if you want to go on with this attitude, go right ahead.

The reality is that we help Israel because it's in our best interests to help Israel. If we hadn't helped Israel in 1973, they might have used their nukes on the Arabs. True, they might have vaporized themselves, but they would have taken a large percentage of the world's oil supply with them, and the planetary effects of such a large scale nuclear operation would be disasterous.

During the Holocaust, the world paid a price for allowing Hitler to exterminate the Jews. The world still doesn't realize or acknowledge the price, but it is there. If the world is willing to sit by and watch the Arabs exterminate the Jews of Israel, the Israelis are prepared to exact a much higher price for the world's hatred and/or indifference. I imagine you would feel similarly if you were in their shoes.

36 posted on 05/31/2002 6:45:53 AM PDT by BenF
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To: hangin' chad
How about moving them to their homeland JORDAN?

Get the arabs off Israel's land!

37 posted on 05/31/2002 6:49:13 AM PDT by Jimmyclyde
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To: hangin' chad
Good morning Ben, how is everything at the ADL today.

I don't know since I don't belong to the ADL. How are things at Hamas HQ? Or is it the KKK? Want to keep being obnoxious or would you like to grow up?

Please explain just what you and Sharoniac would do to these people you hate so much.

Since you fail to answer even one of my questions, I don't see why I should honor yours. Moreover, you fail to show where either Sharon or I "hate" these people. Although I can appreciate how much you love those who celebrated the murder of my countrymen.

Let me know when you'd like to stop this silliness and grow up.

38 posted on 05/31/2002 6:51:09 AM PDT by BenF
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To: RCW2001
we don't need another evil muslim state, george...
40 posted on 05/31/2002 8:28:45 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: BenF
Of course, since there has never, ever been an independent state called "Palestine", there can not be any people called "Palestinians".

How many more times must we hear this stupid statement? Go read the Balfour Declaration to see where the term "Palestinian" comes from.

41 posted on 05/31/2002 8:28:52 AM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: Yehuda
Thus by proclaiming yourself against Israel in the war against fascist arab terrorism, you have put yourself on the terrorist side against the U.S. as well.

By equating every Palestinian with terrorism, you are engaging in thinking that is dehumanizing, irrational, ungodly, and plain wrong.

42 posted on 05/31/2002 8:34:29 AM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: BenF
And I never called you a jackass , but it is obvious.
44 posted on 05/31/2002 10:10:26 AM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: The Green Goblin
How many more times must we hear this stupid statement? Go read the Balfour Declaration to see where the term "Palestinian" comes from.

The statement is factual and not stupid. I said an "INDEPENDENT" Palestinian state. Try to read and understand that concept before you post again.

46 posted on 05/31/2002 10:54:30 AM PDT by BenF
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To: Aim small miss small
It's only obvious to someone with a warped mind and no grasp of reality.

And, by the way, I noticed to failed to provide proof of your accusation. What a surprise!!!

Next time you post, try a little honesty.

47 posted on 05/31/2002 10:56:07 AM PDT by BenF
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To: The Green Goblin
By equating every Palestinian with terrorism, you are engaging in thinking that is dehumanizing, irrational, ungodly, and plain wrong.

Are you a liberal?

48 posted on 05/31/2002 10:57:59 AM PDT by BenF
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To: RCW2001
Like this is going to discourage terrorism, hot headed identity and dictatorships. A nice slap on the face of democracy in favor of thugs.
49 posted on 05/31/2002 10:58:27 AM PDT by lavaroise
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