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THE REAL CONFLICT
naomiragen.com ^ | 5-30-02 | NAOMI RAGEN

Posted on 05/30/2002 5:22:00 PM PDT by KLT

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Naomi Ragen...is an Israeli author and journalist....enjoy my friends....a real outlook from a real person...I'm including her website...this editorial came through my e-mail...her website has not been updated as yet....anyone can join her mailing list...naomiragen.com
1 posted on 05/30/2002 5:22:00 PM PDT by KLT
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To: lent;veronica;dennisw;Yehuda;RaceBannon;foghat;foghorn;Hillarys Folly;dog;dead...
Ping...Everyone...excellent and interesting outlook..BTT
2 posted on 05/30/2002 5:26:40 PM PDT by KLT
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Thank you for this. Naomi caught my "eye" with some of her articles on Jpost.com. Her wrting style, at its best, reminds me of Peggy Noonan, at her best.

Enjoy, all. Eh.

3 posted on 05/30/2002 5:32:11 PM PDT by mitchbert
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio;Ernest_at-the_Beach
*Index Bump and fyi
4 posted on 05/30/2002 5:35:35 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: KLT
She might have a flaw or two in her research.

While living in Saudi (business) we had a humble but sincere Christmas in our villa.

As for "all things Jewish are a crime", well, maybe in some eyes. Saudi is well aware that American military weapons in Saudi inventory, and operated by Saudis, have Israeli components. Not a problem.

I stopped reading at that point.

5 posted on 05/30/2002 5:38:06 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: KLT
bump
6 posted on 05/30/2002 5:40:39 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: KirklandJunction;lent;dennisw;veronica;AmericaninIsrael
Well obviously, you are very proSaudi...I do hope you enjoyed the Saudi terrorist telethon a few months ago....funny how people don't realize who their friends are...and who would take them to the woodshed in record time...

So what about the Israeli components...they probably have Chinese and Russian components as well...give me a break!

7 posted on 05/30/2002 5:47:45 PM PDT by KLT
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I am very pro Saudi????

What an incredible leap you made there!

My point is that the author mades statements that don't match personal observations. Live with it.

To make a similar leap to a bizarre conclusion, I'll assume from your statement of location that you chose, and support, the concept of a socialist republic of New York. So, if you support socialism, I now have another reason to put low value on your statements.

Voted with your feet, eh? Happy with Senator Clinton? She's yours!

8 posted on 05/30/2002 5:56:57 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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9 posted on 05/30/2002 5:57:14 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: KLT
Very good post that says everything that needs to be said in clear terms.

Because it is so clear, thoughtful and intelligent, it is also sure that it will never be read by a single liberal.

10 posted on 05/30/2002 5:59:01 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: KLT
It is the conflict between fanatical and intolerant and ignorant hordes bent on converting the world to their vision of the one and only true faith: Islam.

This much is exactly true. But Islam is not fully defined by Saudi Wahhabinism. Christianity is not fully defined by Protestant Fundamentalism.

There is a war on, a conflict between the currently-powerful fundamentalist Islam against Jews and Judaism. But it would be a mistake to tar all Moslems with that brush, just as it would have been a mistake, 60 years ago, to tar all Germans with the "rabid Nazi" brush. (But yes, they get to pay the price along with the rest for failing to be self-policing. Such is the way of the world.)

11 posted on 05/30/2002 6:03:22 PM PDT by Eala
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I am very pro Saudi????

What an incredible leap you made there!

My point is that the author mades statements that don't match personal observations. Live with it.

To make a similar leap to a bizarre conclusion, I'll assume from your statement of location that you chose, and support, the concept of a socialist republic of New York. So, if you support socialism, I now have another reason to put low value on your statements.

Voted with your feet, eh? Happy with Senator Clinton? She's yours!

Well, well, well....you lived in Saudi Arabia on business...had a nice Christmas you said...So I assumed you are a Saudi expert....Did you meet any of the 14 Saudi terrorists who blew up my WTC and the Pentagon (14 out of 19 were Saudis)...Were you there when our 200 some odd marines were blown out of their barracks....

Why should your personal observations be more accurate, then someone who lives in the Middle East for years and years, and researches and writes daily for several newspapers?

As far as my Socialist Republic of New York, Hitlery and her Chappaqua friends should move to your state....or perhaps Saudi Arabia...Yes, most New Yorkers are stupid as walls, but those of us on FR...are part of the vast rightwing conspiracy....


12 posted on 05/30/2002 6:26:32 PM PDT by KLT
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(But yes, they get to pay the price along with the rest for failing to be self-policing. Such is the way of the world.)

Unfortunately, our 'leadership' lacks the stones to make them pay the terrible price that is their due. As a result, between the corrosive nature of he Gramscian Left and the evil midevalism of the Islamic worldview, Western Civilization may not survive the 21st century.

13 posted on 05/30/2002 6:28:32 PM PDT by Noumenon
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To: KLT
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14 posted on 05/30/2002 7:09:52 PM PDT by remaininlight
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To: Fish out of Water;klt
Thanks for the ping!
A very good read!
15 posted on 05/30/2002 8:01:15 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: KirklandJunction
Yeah, big deal! Is that all you have? Get real.
16 posted on 05/30/2002 8:46:22 PM PDT by iopscusa
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To: KLT
I haven't been to Israel since 1987...

it's funny the NIS told us there was a high threat and yet we were required to wear uniforms on liberty...

my advice if you ever go to Israel, don't drink Bud, drink the local Macabee...

the Bud has formaldehyde in it and it only becomes apparent when you try to wake up...

I was a pretty talented drinker and I can tell you the formaldehyde Bud brought me to my knees...

I was ready to put a .45 through my skull!!

17 posted on 05/30/2002 8:46:23 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: KLT; Marine Inspector
Great article.
18 posted on 05/30/2002 9:01:41 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: KLT
Great article. Welcome to the club, Naomi. A lot of us have had our eyelids pulled right back by radicalislam.
Do like how she uses the phrase 'marking territory'.
19 posted on 05/30/2002 9:11:20 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Eala
But it would be a mistake to tar all Moslems with that brush, just as it would have been a mistake, 60 years ago, to tar all Germans with the "rabid Nazi" brush.

If by the word "all", you mean every single Muslim in the world, then I have no argument. However, if by "all" you mean an overwhelming majority, then I disagree. I don't see Muslims protesting homicide bombings or any other violent actions against the Jewish State OR actions against Jews in other countries. That doesn't mean they don't exist, but they're not making enough of a stink to get into the newspapers. And, based on the Muslims that I have seen, I suspect the reason I haven't seen these "peace-loving" Muslims is because they don't exist in meaningful numbers.

20 posted on 05/30/2002 9:42:22 PM PDT by BenF
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