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Toward a Symptomatology of Cyberporn
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/theory_&_event/v003/3.4uebel.html ^ | 2000 | Michael Uebel

Posted on 05/31/2002 3:39:53 PM PDT by mindprism.com

Machines are social before being technical.1



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cybersex; internet; porn; psychology

1 posted on 05/31/2002 3:39:53 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: mindprism.com
Another interesting site:

sexualcontrol.com

2 posted on 05/31/2002 3:57:50 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: mindprism.com
Extremely interesting piece. I got about 1/3 way through. Have to finish it later. Thanks for posting this.
3 posted on 05/31/2002 4:00:56 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: mindprism.com
Yet at the same time that we observe our desires (pre)scripted in and by the grand historical metatext of late technocapitalism, we are discovering that there are points within the metatext, like cyberporn, which hold the promise of strategic resistance.

"Shut the hell up and get me my Big Mac and fries, you useless, overeducated Commie egghead", said the subject to the text.

4 posted on 05/31/2002 4:43:41 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: mindprism.com
One question.

Is he fur it or agin it?

5 posted on 05/31/2002 4:45:17 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: mindprism.com
I'm going to go ape if one of my kids writes a senior thesis on a subject like this someday...
6 posted on 05/31/2002 4:52:26 PM PDT by ReveBM
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To: mindprism.com
This piece much of the time reads more like a critique of capitalism than of online pornography.
7 posted on 05/31/2002 4:54:34 PM PDT by The Green Goblin
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To: mindprism.com
Yet at the same time that we observe our desires (pre)scripted in and by the grand historical metatext of late technocapitalism, we are discovering that there are points within the metatext, like cyberporn, which hold the promise of strategic resistance.

Wow! I had no idea this was true.

8 posted on 05/31/2002 5:19:49 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Jeff Gordon
Wow! I had no idea this was true.

Well no wonder! See, you are still operating under late technocapitalist assumptions that there actually are such conditions as "true/not true".

That may be useful thinking for building suspension bridges and orbiting satellites around the earth, but it does not help if you are trying to put another layer of pretty pancake makeup on the ugly face of communism.

9 posted on 05/31/2002 5:55:28 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: IowaHawk; Orual; aculeus
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10 posted on 05/31/2002 6:00:58 PM PDT by dighton
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To: mindprism.com
You can tell very bad writing from the way it is drenched in buzz words, saturation bombing name dropping, cannot get through a paragraph without ten quotes or "aren't we brilliant" references (screens out the riffraff), and intellectually faddish constructs (like meaningless plurals. For instance if you check at the bottom this Uebel character who is of course a professor of English wrote Race and Masculinities. Masculinities ? Gee, we clever people know all the different kinds of masculinity.)

These writers should be burned at the stake with bonfires composed of masses of copies of Politics and the English Language.

12 posted on 05/31/2002 9:29:45 PM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: mindprism.com
The reason the topic of sex and sexuality is popular in the academic world these days, and why it gets worked into things that are seemingly unrelated to sex, is because it gives middle-aged male college professors a way to discuss sex and sexual subjects with young and attractive college coeds in a socially acceptable manner.

I once suggested exactly that to one of my professors, but I don't think he cared for my thesis...

13 posted on 05/31/2002 9:55:31 PM PDT by general_re
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To: dighton
Not easy reading, it's overloaded with a great deal of academic jargon and I skipped over several paragraphs. Ted Bundy admitted that it was his addiction to pornography, the non-virtual type, that led him to commit his horrible crimes. One hesitates to even contemplate what the effect of cyberporn is having on millions of potential Ted Bundys.
14 posted on 06/01/2002 2:33:00 AM PDT by Orual
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To: mindprism.com
I remember when VCRs first appeared on the scene. I know of several guys who plunked down the $1200 and bought VCRs for the sole purpose of viewing porn movies which appeared magically in the marketplace. Economies of scale quickly intervened driving down the cost of a VCR to a level more affordable to the rest of us. I don't see cyberporn as much different. For quite a while, it was the only way to make a profit on the internet and still is the major player.
15 posted on 06/01/2002 2:44:30 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: mindprism.com
This fella sure uses up a lot of words to say very little...
16 posted on 06/01/2002 3:19:46 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: mindprism.com
Just say "no".
17 posted on 06/01/2002 6:29:43 AM PDT by RipeforTruth
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To: Movemout
I remember when VCRs first appeared on the scene. I know of several guys who plunked down the $1200 and bought VCRs for the sole purpose of viewing porn movies which appeared magically in the marketplace. Economies of scale quickly intervened driving down the cost of a VCR to a level more affordable to the rest of us. I don't see cyberporn as much different. For quite a while, it was the only way to make a profit on the internet and still is the major player

Like the VCR, the internet offers privacy. Instead of going to a filthy theater in the bad part of town people can consume porn in their own homes.

It strikes me that a technical leap forward led to a content leap backwards. When sound first appeared, the boom had not yet been invented and the technology was completely immobile so the first talkies were like filmed plays, or worse yet, filmed radio broadcasts (all the actors clustered around the fixed hidden mike). The limitations of the technology throttled story telling. Similarly the video boom brought an end to an era in which the line between porn and grade-B exploitation was blurring. The need to churn out a lot of product quickly sent porn straight back to the age of loops and stag films. This was further, in my view, facilitated by the fall of communism and a stream of gorgeous, non-siliconed, Czech, Hungarian, and Russian girls into porn. Without story lines, who cares if they never learn English ?

18 posted on 06/01/2002 6:31:48 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: mindprism.com
Interesting. Bookmarked. My waiting room is filled with internet addicts and their ignored wives.
20 posted on 06/01/2002 9:14:56 AM PDT by mlmr
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To: one_particular_harbour
As far as I could tell, this is an admirer of MacKinnon (the woman that says marital sex is rape....

I'm pretty sure that it was Andrea Dworkin who first advanced that thesis, but I could be misremembering. Anyway, it triggers thoughts of Dworkin (shudder), so I'm inclined to point you to this particular rant against Dworkin, with the caveat that if foul language upsets you, don't read it ;)

F***ing Andrea Dworkin.

It's from the early days of the 'net - IBFT was a BBS favorite of mine from way back when...

21 posted on 06/01/2002 12:06:17 PM PDT by general_re
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To: mindprism.com
Tendentious logorrhea and bloviation.

--Boris

22 posted on 06/01/2002 12:14:38 PM PDT by boris
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To: general_re
Ahh... ANSWER ME...

That's a great piece, thanks for the link.

23 posted on 06/01/2002 12:23:29 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: jodorowsky
Now, did you just like it for the Jodorowsky reference at the end? ;)
24 posted on 06/01/2002 12:35:09 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
ANSWER ME is classic, and what's more, some of the issues were considered illegal hate literature here in Canada... I still have the copies that I snuck past the Hate-Lit squad at the Canadian border.

Very funny writing.

26 posted on 06/02/2002 4:22:39 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: mindprism.com
Yet at the same time that we observe our desires (pre)scripted in and by the grand historical metatext of late technocapitalism, we are discovering that there are points within the metatext, like cyberporn, which hold the promise of strategic resistance.

I hope this guy knows what he's talking about. I sure don't.


27 posted on 06/02/2002 4:43:21 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
As I read his thesis I was reminded of the oft quoted rejoinder that says two cultural phenomena brought the Internet into existence : porn being one and Star Trek the other. The truth people are fascinated by the unknown in the sense of knowing the space within ourselves and the space that's out there. And since the Internet makes it completely accessible at the click of a mouse, its no wonder web sites sprung up and are still being created at this time of writing both to actualize the respective experiences of sexual exploration and that of the mysteries of outer space.
28 posted on 06/02/2002 5:03:31 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Nick Danger; IowaHawk
I hope this guy knows what he's talking about. I sure don't.

It's an IowaHawk parody -- a brilliant one, in fact -- of academic "writing." He'll deny it of course.

;-)

29 posted on 06/02/2002 5:14:29 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Nick Danger
Yea, this post is somewhat a test of the limits of intellectualization and the premise that government has a role in the 'weeding' of society.
30 posted on 06/02/2002 5:25:26 PM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: Movemout
For quite a while, it was the only way to make a profit on the internet and still is the major player.

I thought all porn on the web was free - just ask any kid at your local library.

31 posted on 06/02/2002 5:35:04 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: mindprism.com
Cyberporn is just part of a larger conspiracy to sell vast amounts of hand lotion.
32 posted on 06/02/2002 5:38:37 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
Wow - some guys are so aggresive, their hands chafe?
33 posted on 06/02/2002 5:46:58 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
I am only guessing. apple is good
34 posted on 06/02/2002 6:11:29 PM PDT by DainBramage
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