Skip to comments.A Religious Shrine at Ground Zero? (Why not a mosque, a church and a synagogue?)
Posted on 06/01/2002 10:25:49 AM PDT by LarryLied
A serious and inclusive discussion of the future of the Ground Zero site is now underway. The Civic Alliance to Rebuild Downtown New York is in the midst of conducting an important series of open public meetings on various aspects of the planning process. From the sidelines Ive been following this conversation and have been keeping a close eye on the growing list of proposals by architects, urban planners, and others offering up cultural centers, art spaces, memorial parks and business complexes.
What is conspicuously absent from these proposals is any attention to religious needs that might be associated with the site. Even the discussion of the victims memorial that is to be erected as part of any rebuilding plan for the site, has been framed in essentially secular terms. No proposals even for the quiet, understated ecumenical chapels one finds in hospitals. As one of the many chaplains who witnessed the events of the 11th, and volunteered with many other clergy to help deal with some of the spiritual and emotional crises that followed, Im wondering -- Why has religion suddenly been thrust to the sidelines?
Religious groups and organizations were among the first to respond to the attack. Moreover, in the days following the attack, Americans flocked to their synagogues, churches and mosques in record numbers. I will never forget watching the televised services held at the National Cathedral and Riverside Church, both powerful expressions of our collective sense of grief and hope.
But while those services were articulations of Americas common spirit, they also spoke to our religious particularities. As an American I listened intently to all the clergy who spoke, but as a Jew, I cared most about what the rabbis had to say. I imagine that this was the case for Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, and Buddhists, all who were represented in those services. America is great because we not only allow for the freedom of religion, but we have a public square that can encourage our religious diversity at the right moments.
For this reason, I would ask, why not build a mosque at ground zero? And a church, and a synagogue as well? Why not erect a vast inter-religious center on the premises as a supplement to the secular, cultural, and artistic elements that will figure in the blueprint for the sites reconstruction? An inter-religious center could serve for educational purposes, and the religiously specific chapels could be used for baptisms, confirmation ceremonies, bar and bat mitzvahs, and even weddings of those whose parents or loved ones have perished in the attacks. It would be a site of healing for many. And just imagine what it would be like for American Muslims, and Muslim visitors from abroad to visit such a shrine.
Building a mosque on the site would also send a message to the Islamic world about America, and our commitment to the freedom of religion. At a time when many Muslims are being fed endless distortions about America and what we value, it will take more than a publicity mission by Muhammad Ali to change Americas image.
What traditional religious adherents in the Islamic world, and elsewhere fail to comprehend is the great irony of American church-state separation: The more secular the state, the more religious the nation. In America, religious faith is freely chosen and religious communities are strong. In an increasingly diverse world, America may hold the model that the world needs.
But would building an inter-religious center at Ground Zero help?
Maybe a few misguided Muslims would go there to praise Allah for his great victory in destroying the towers - but I imagine the vast majority of American Muslims would go to simply offer prayers of gratitude that Allah, in his mercy, has created a place called America, where both freedom and faith can flourish.
The perception of Americas role in the world is being redefined. In addition to being regarded as an economic and military power, we are now seen as a global police force attempting to root out terror. But America is a spiritual power as well and it is important that we do what we can to get this message out. Building an inter-religious center on the site of the World Trade Center could be an important step in this direction. It would be a living testimony to the American conviction that secularity and diversity are not the enemies of faith, but are rather the very basis of spiritual strength and religious renewal.
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... Why not a mosque, a church and a synagogue? ...Why only a moque, a church, and a synagogue? I demand a pagan basilica with a bronze image of Baphomet suspended above a black-granite alter. Why should I be excluded from this ecumenical display of unity and resolve?
A soaring cathedral to capitalism -- that's what we need.
Why build a memorial to religion? The monument destroyed was provate property run as a capitalist enterprise. It was Islamic religionists who destroyed it. Religionists did not build the original structures. It is Islamic religionists who are at war with Christians and Jews and Capitalists. Screw the idea or erecting a monument to Religion. Let the private sector do what it wants with the site. Let the Government get on with the business of destroying those who would destroy us. Let the religionists teach moral behavior in their own houses of worship away from our public space and our private property.
Personally, the shrine I favor would be a missile silo with a nuclear tipped ICBM permanenetly targeted towards Mecca.
A good analogy is the different religions' understanding of martyrdom. For a Christian, martyrdom is a matter of sacrificing yourself for the sake of God, usually to avoid apostasy or sin. A similar idea of sacrifice can be found in Judaism. For Muslims, however, successful martyrdom means killing as many infidels as possible. Just dying yourself doesn't cut it.
Jesus conquered through the cross. Mohammed conquered with a sword. There's a fundamental difference in these religions.
How vacuous can our culture get?
And from time to time we could lock the doors and fingerprint, DNA sample and photograph everyone.
why not build a mosque at ground zero?
Why not build a giant latrine???
An inter-religious center could serve for educational purposes, and the religiously specific chapels could be used for baptisms, confirmation ceremonies, bar and bat mitzvahs, and even weddings
Along with bombings ... don't forget the suicide bombings at all of these blessed events. We can't leave the muslims out, you know.
And just imagine what it would be like for American Muslims, and Muslim visitors from abroad to visit such a shrine.
A real hoot, I'd bet. They would get their chance to dance on the grave of the infidel.
Building a mosque on the site would also send a message to the Islamic world about America
Yes, but why would we want to send the message that we're weak-willed losers who can be easily conquered?
Maybe a few misguided Muslims would go there to praise Allah for his great victory in destroying the towers
Ya think?? Judging from the number of moderate, tolerant islamic regimes worldwide, I'd guess that number might be slightly higher than the author thinks - say, a billion or so.
but I imagine the vast majority of American Muslims would go to simply offer prayers of gratitude that Allah, in his mercy, has created a place called America, where both freedom and faith can flourish.
Yeah, that's probably right. <gag>
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Folks, we have a winner!
Oh, are you ever right!
Mosque??? This would be one of the biggest mistakes the U.S. could make, IMHO.
Good gawd...that sounds suspiciously like the Final Boss in Mortal Kombat III...
A government subsidized shrine of capitalism would be the epitome of ironic hypocrisy.
Let the private sector build whatever they want without sucking the lifeblood out of taxpayers.
Alternatively, if a memorial is to be built using taxpayers funding, keep the money-changers away at a respectable distance.
While we're at it, I believe we need a souvenier shop as well. We could sell pork BBQ sandwiches, BLT's, Ham sandwiches...and little plastic images of ol 'Hammed mounting his mare. Perhaps we could even provide a few items with inspirational sayings on them. One of my favorites is "There is no hog but allah, and mohammed is her pimp."
Just think of the message that would send to the Islamic world about America. It's enough to bring a tear to your eye.
"By their fruits, ye shall know them"
"They will think they do God service by killing you"
"Not everyone who cries Lord, Lord will be saved (i.e. Allah)"
This isn't a war against Terrorists. Its a war against ISLAM. The sooner we learn that, the better.
But it's exactly the wrong message. Mosques have always been used as a sign of dominance over non-Muslims. What they did to the Hagia Sophia, for example.
A mosque on the WTC site - situated neatly between a church and a synagog would become a tribute beyond the wildest dreams of the murdering jihadic terrorists who burned there along with thei victims. I could well imagine such a mosque becoming the new Mecca, right here on American soil. They may as well send up a white flag and build a mosque at the Pentagon.
I have to agree with you. As someone increasingly leaning towards Druidism......I would have to request a complete replica of Stonehenge.
Having said that I have to go on record at this time, to demand reparations for the original on the Salisbury Plain! I mean...look at it....
....it's all broke up.........or sumpin'
I believe he quoted the article:
Building a mosque on the site would also send a message to the Islamic world about America, and our commitment to the freedom of religionAnd then responded, albeit too hastily, to the quote:
- no offense, [but] what are [you] smoking ?Am I reading you right, kcrack?
On a long wooden bench along the wall sat priests, ministers, and an Imam. I squeezed in next to a Catholic priest and a young Episcopalian minister with a Hello, my name is Christopher name tag, feeling like we had just been drafted for a dreadful and hopeless task.
Then the Red Cross Spiritual Care Coordinator spoke. OK, guys, listen up! She was an amazingly energetic minister from California who conveyed a mix of pep and compassion: Im gonna make this brief because we dont have much time before those families come in here and Im assuming you all know what to do. Ive seen this before. This is like what I saw in Oklahoma Citywe need to be there and show Gods lovebut I want to remind you that this is not a time to proselytize. This is ecumenical. No praying in the name of Jesus. Just be a spiritual presence. Show Gods love for them. Do what you do best. Remember, no praying in the name of Jesus!
I raised my hand and she nodded at me. Yes, Rabbi, what is it?
Is it all right if I pray in the name of Jesus? 1
I think I'm going to barf.
And do they really think a mosque is appropriate? I'm not sure the victims of the Spanish Inquisition would like to include a Catholic or even Christian symbol in anything they do remembering their dead.
That message is already out there. Do they really think that because we build another mosque that message will get and sink in to the kind of people who did/do/want to do stuff like happened on 9-11?
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