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Islamic Terrorists Targeting Hospitals? (The Unreported Story in Chicago)
Christ Hospital Confidential Sources ^ | 6/2/2002 | USConservative

Posted on 06/02/2002 12:50:08 PM PDT by usconservative

Heard this last night and confirmed it today while @ church.

Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn Illinois (a suburb of Chicago) was recently under "surveillance" by several Muslim appearing men. It seems that these Muslim appearing-men were taping the parking garages, emergency room entrances, and indeed the Trauma Center of Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn just last week. When they were noticed by a Trauma Center Nurse (my contact) she immediately contacted Hospital Security.

Hospital Security pursued the Muslim appearing men can caught them with video records and digital cameras. A fight ensued, and the Muslim appearing men escaped. Hospital security cameras caught the incidence on tape.

The FBI was called and was on hospital premises within an hour. Tapes from security systems were seized for review, and an ongoing investigation has been occuring at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL over the past week. Witnesses report seeing Muslim appearing men walking hospital grounds and filming over the past several weeks.

The investigation is ongoing.


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Ok, I have to admit, I found this hard to believe when my wife told me last night - but she has no reason to lie. The story was confirmed by the trauma center nurse, and her mother, whom I attend church with regularly.

This story has *not* been in the news in the Chicago area at all. What makes this case particularly interesting is that Christ Hospital is the *only* major trauma center located in the Southwest Suburbs of Chicago.

Additionally, Christ Hospital is surrounded by pre-dominantly Muslim communities of Bridgeview, Burbank, Palos Hills and parts of Chicago Ridge. The hospital serves these communities, but who really thinks that's gonna stop a bunch of muzzie extremist nuts from trying to blow the place up?

I'm very familiar with Christ Hospital myself as it's only 25 minutes from my home, and my last two eye surgeries were performed there. The garage on the West side of the hospital is right next to the trauma center. Very easy access with little to no security.

Give Al Qaeda's new warnings today, I'm wondering if hospitals have become targets for these terrorist scum?

Anyone else find it peculiar that this story isn't in the media?

1 posted on 06/02/2002 12:50:09 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: Redwing9, Lazamataz, Technochick99
Redwing, you live in that immediate area, have you heard anything about this, seen anything in the news, or noticed an increased FBI presence?
2 posted on 06/02/2002 12:51:04 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: usconservative
Where's that terror list index thing?
3 posted on 06/02/2002 12:56:17 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: usconservative
I caught some guy going out to where we store oxygen tanks the other morning, very early, and he had no badge. I said good morning and tried to talk to him and he hung his head and quickly left the building. I told our security about it but no one thought anything of it.
I go in at 4 am. This guy went out to the storage area with a large cooler, then returned with the cooler empty. The lid was slightly ajar.
I guess we all need to be on alert. Our hospital is a trauma center, level 3, though not large.
4 posted on 06/02/2002 12:58:01 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: usconservative
Thanks for the info....BUMP!
5 posted on 06/02/2002 12:58:08 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: usconservative
With the lame job the TV and print news media does in covering breaking news on weekends, I suspect that a terrorist strike on a weekend would create even more mass confusion and hysteria. Office buildings, though, empty on weekends. Hospitals do not.
6 posted on 06/02/2002 12:58:17 PM PDT by willieroe
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Not meaning to be a PC weanie here, but what does a "Muslem" look like?

Its like saying they saw a Catholic, or a Baptist....

7 posted on 06/02/2002 12:58:50 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: MarMema
I think the nearest one to me is Overlake in Bellvue.
8 posted on 06/02/2002 12:59:39 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: keri; Nogbad; aristeides; okie01; Shermy; BlackVeil; muawiyah; Alamo-Girl; The Great Satan
Ping. I know nothing about the accuracy of this story; I just read in FR and thought it might be of interest.
9 posted on 06/02/2002 1:02:25 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: usconservative
I had a personal "incident" myself a last week with Islamic video tapers.

I can't for the life of me understand why we just don't throw all of these freaks the hell out of our country NOW. That would immediately solve the whole problem.

Instead our government is choosing to drive the rest of us nuts, trample the constitution, create huge, useless, smothering bureaucracies and cost us billions upon billions of dollars.

Mean while the flat earth Islamists laugh their asses off.

10 posted on 06/02/2002 1:08:56 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: Vermont Lt
A few self-proclaimed muslims
Some Baptists, presumably
And finally, some Catholics
11 posted on 06/02/2002 1:11:22 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: cmsgop
That's ok. We'll get something out here but my money is still on Whidbey. Somehow I just think it's the place to be targeted if they're going to hit us out here. And I still wish I knew what the heck that truck thing was all about, cause it was sure about something and they weren't reporting it. If you check the Whidbey news they are reporting all kinds of incidents to the police there on a regular basis, arabs seen videotaping, etc. Course no one ever thinks it is meaningful, but how many Arabs have you seen videotaping? Me, none. Oak Harbor is not the place to be living right now, and I have dear friends who live there. Keep them in your prayers.
Anyway, second choice is Bremerton. Third is West Seattle. All those Little Somalia peoples out there. Stay over here and we should be ok. That's my feeling.
12 posted on 06/02/2002 1:18:09 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
oxygen tanks/ he hung his head and quickly left the building
Hi MarMema, it sounds important to me. You might want to write a letter and deliver it to the hospital administrator. I wouldn't let one goofball's nonchalance stop your report. That's how disasters occur - lots of people knew about the initial steps, but no one spoke up. You didn't mention what the man looked like, but if he belonged to a group statiscally more relevant (see how nicely I phrased that?) I'd really be concerned. Of course, it could just be your typical Seattle nutcase.
13 posted on 06/02/2002 1:29:13 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: willieroe
With the lame job the TV and print news media does in covering breaking news on weekends, I suspect that a terrorist strike on a weekend would create even more mass confusion and hysteria.
The usual effect of journalism is precisely to spread, not extinguish, "mass confusion and hysteria."

Journalism is nonfiction entertainment, and it's most successful as entertainment when they have something scary to report. Just as arsonists sometimes turn out to be firemen, we ought to consider journalists to be at least potential suspects in any major disaster. The Rodney King riot was, for example, given "air cover" by broadcasts of the video of King's arrest, edited to show only the side unfavorable to the police. "News," doncha know . . .


14 posted on 06/02/2002 1:48:27 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: usconservative
"muzzie extremist nuts "

LOL! You know how to call 'em, Usco.

15 posted on 06/02/2002 1:50:59 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: usconservative
Terrorist attacks on a hospital! These people are beneath contempt.
16 posted on 06/02/2002 1:52:15 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: usconservative
Terrorists just don't know how incredibly frenzied the response from America will be if they blowup a hospital here. It would be the worst miscalculation they will ever make!
17 posted on 06/02/2002 2:09:58 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Terrorists just don't know how incredibly frenzied the response from America will be if they blowup a hospital here.

They blew up the WTC and they're still roaming about the US very freely.

18 posted on 06/02/2002 2:16:12 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Vermont Lt
Not meaning to be a PC weanie here, but what does a "Muslem" look like?

If you saw Middle Eastern foreigners acting suspiciously, your wouldn't say they were "Catholic or Baptist appearing". Christian Arabs don't act much like Muslim Arabs.

19 posted on 06/02/2002 2:20:53 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: AAABEST
What was your incident? In October I saw two likely suspects taking photos of a tall bank building in Portland, Oregon. I told the head of security for the bank who passed it on to the FBI. I can't believe the audicity of these people - wandering around a hospital videotaping when anyone with a brain should be alarmed by what they are doing. They certainly must be real familiar with our PC baloney.
20 posted on 06/02/2002 2:21:03 PM PDT by Aria
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To: usconservative
I have been worried about this since 9-11; real enticing and vulnerable targets. (What about Churches, Synagogues, etc?) I have become a real conspiracy theorist and wish I could find a website for us to post thoughts about possible targets which could be of some use to intelligence agencies. Probably more trouble than it's worth as jokers will think a fun place to criticize the FBI or make things up.

Citizens have to stop being concerned about being called racists or feeling stupid for reporting odd occurences. What is it going to take to protect our borders or at least form expanded versions of "Neighborhood Watches"? There is no way the government can be expected to protect all of us 24/7 and as scary as it sounds, we need to face it: "they" are still out there.

21 posted on 06/02/2002 2:38:00 PM PDT by pjb819
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To: Savage Beast
Perhaps the hospital is the secondary target, say...30 minutes after the primary attack on a building nearby?
22 posted on 06/02/2002 3:07:43 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Vermont Lt
As a matter of fact, some people (in the UK) do think that they can identify a Catholic on sight. But what they really mean is someone with Irish features. Arabs come in all shapes and sizes, but are usually dark. However, I have never been able to tell the difference between an hispanic look and an arab look. Must be the heritage of the Moors ...

The Arabs of the Levant are much more varied in appearance than the others. One Zionist novelist, he wrote in one of his books about how the character gave up on judging by looks, after seeing too many blonde Palestinians and swarthy Jews from Germany. The Palestinians, in particular, go all the way from looking quite African, to being peachy-faced English types.

23 posted on 06/02/2002 3:14:33 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: MarMema
We'll get something out here but my money is still on Whidbey. Somehow I just think it's the place to be targeted if they're going to hit us out here. ... Oak Harbor is not the place to be living right now, and I have dear friends who live there. Keep them in your prayers. Anyway, second choice is Bremerton. Third is West Seattle. All those Little Somalia peoples out there. Stay over here and we should be ok.

I agree about Bremerton & Whidbey, as some of the ships & planes that kicked their behinds in Op. Enduring Freedom are based there. But why West Seattle? The only thing I can think of is, if they nuked Bremerton we'd be exposed across the water, although we're far enough away that it wouldn't be significant unless it's a big boomer. OTOH, Western West Seattle is protected by a ridge from any explosions that would occur downtown or on the Eastside. (Just like we're "protected" from just about all local FM radio stations!)

W. Seattle is just a bedroom community. There aren't even any hospitals here. I'm finding it hard to think up a juicy target for a Muslim wacko. Maybe the W. Seattle Bridge.

24 posted on 06/02/2002 3:17:58 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: panaxanax
Perhaps the hospital is the secondary target, say...30 minutes after the primary attack on a building nearby?

That would make sense.

25 posted on 06/02/2002 3:18:59 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: Mitchell; anthrax_scare_list; alamo-girl
Didn't Kathy Nguyen's job at that hospital on Manhattan involve handling mail?
26 posted on 06/02/2002 3:41:13 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: panaxanax
Perhaps the hospital is the secondary target, say...30 minutes after the primary
attack on a building nearby?


That's something I was suprised that did NOT happen on 9-11.
Going after rescuers/medical personnel as a follow-up is something lots of terrorist
find irresistable.

One other reason terrorist types might be lurking around hospitals,
especially large research hospitals: a number of radioactive isotopes used
in radio-therapy would be just the ticket for a "dirty" nuke.
(Even though this has been mentioned by "experts" on TV, I can't but think
the actual amount of isotopes on hand at any one time is not that big. But maybe it
doesn't take much to do plenty of damage...)
27 posted on 06/02/2002 3:45:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Savage Beast
LOL! You know how to call 'em, Usco.

You're not the first person to notice that....LOL!

29 posted on 06/02/2002 3:48:28 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: Aria
They certainly must be real familiar with our PC baloney.

Got that right. They laugh at our stupidity while they watch our government drive it's citizens nuts.

My incident was in Atlanta last week. 4 Arabs, 2 with hand held cams taking pictures of tall buildings. Reported to 911, regular police line and FBI. I also posted a thread on it here but it got pulled last night for various reasons.

It's infuriating that these pigs are yanking our chains out in the open and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.

30 posted on 06/02/2002 3:49:41 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
"I had a personal "incident" myself a last week with Islamic video tapers."

Do tell your story, please. Spread the word!
31 posted on 06/02/2002 3:53:30 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: aristeides
Didn't Kathy Nguyen's job at that hospital on Manhattan involve handling mail?

It was widely reported that Kathy Nguyen worked in a storage supply room in the hospital's basement, next to the mailroom. (Some sources say "near" rather than "next to" the mailroom.)

According to a BBC report, Nguyen occasionally handled the mail, although it wasn't her main job.

32 posted on 06/02/2002 4:18:53 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: BlackVeil
what's a zionist novelist?
33 posted on 06/02/2002 4:25:16 PM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: FITZ
If you saw Middle Eastern foreigners acting suspiciously, your wouldn't say they were "Catholic or Baptist appearing". Christian Arabs don't act much like Muslim Arabs.

Care to explain that one? The US is filled with idiots who can't even tell whether someone is Middle Eastern or not; you have a magical ability to determine religion just from brief observation, if people aren't cooperative enough to pray while you're watching them?

You know, with all of this supposed surveillance going on, it's interesting to note that:

1) All of the Muslims and/or Arabs to have taken part in terrorist attacks on the US, within the US, in the history of the country, can be comfortably counted on the fingers and toes of 2-3 people.

2) In the last 9 months, there hasn't been a single successful, or known unsuccessful, terrorist attack by an Arab Muslim anywhere in the US. (Before people get pedantic, 1) The Shoe Bomber wasn't an Arab, 2) The kid with the airplane in Tampa was 1/4th Arab and there isn't a scrap of evidence he or anyone in his family is or was a Muslim 3) Those two amateurs arrested for allegedly planning to attack an armory in Florida were Pakistanis, not Arabs.)

An awful lot of supposed "surveillance" for no attacks at all. I suspect these surveillance threads are for people horribly disappointed there haven't been any more terrorist attacks in the US, to get their jollies. Got to be frustrating not to have a reason to bust out all of your photoshopped nuclear explosions over Mecca.

Not unlike the zillions of people reporting Japanese invasion fleets just off the coast all up and down the West Coast in 1941 and 1942.

34 posted on 06/02/2002 4:26:13 PM PDT by John H K
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To: usconservative; seamole
Where's that terror list index thing?

Hi Seamole, can you index this for Usconservative? Thanks.

35 posted on 06/02/2002 4:27:54 PM PDT by jonatron
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To: AAABEST
'But Bush is doing all he can to fight terrorism and he knows what he is doing. If we just be patient, he will let us in on it.'

Just how gullible are the American people - very, it seems.

Of course, if he is doing all he can to fight it, then he or we are loosing.

36 posted on 06/02/2002 4:34:33 PM PDT by nanny
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To: FITZ
My very thought!

Not only are they roaming around freely, they are freely still entering this country - 50,000 since 9/11 - wasn't it? Some to take flight lessons.

Those are the legal ones. How many just walked across the border. How many of us would know a middle easterner from a Mexican, by looking, I mean.

Also, we are sitting calmly by while our State Department is contemplating or already has created this Center for Understanding of Islam and Democracy (That may not be the correct title). They will be bringing even more into this country to sit down and well - study. Why can't we send the center over where they live. Can't they study there?

37 posted on 06/02/2002 4:40:28 PM PDT by nanny
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To: contessa machiaveli
Zionist novelist (can't remember the name) - he wrote thriller books, and at least one of them was set in the Middle East - Israelis vs Palestinians books. The plots and theme were very much supportive of Zionism, Arabs all dreadful villans etc. The political message in the book was loud propaganda, but the settings in Israel were carefully drawn and realistic. It was in this novel that I read the comment about mixed racial appearances.
38 posted on 06/02/2002 4:48:31 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: jennyp
Oh it's just that West Seattle has Little Somalia. And I think they might harbor terrorists there if there were a need. But you're right, they wouldn't blow up their own habitat. You would think, anyway.
39 posted on 06/02/2002 5:10:06 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: usconservative
The story for which Shamil Basayev became famous

"Upon arrival, the Chechens stormed out of the trucks, killed a number of police and occupied the militia headquarters. The decision to move to the hospital was apparently made after a number of the Chechen rebels were wounded.24 Basayev would not abandon his men. Reaching the hospital, they sealed the exits. Approximately 1,500 patients, family members and medical staff were in the hospital, guarded by some 150 heavily armed Chechens. This was the beginning of an eight-day ordeal of terror, anxiety and surreal negotiations.

Realizing they could not flush the Chechens out of the hospital, the local authorities requested assistance. Regular army forces and internal troops rushed to the scene and set up a perimeter.25 Having secured their hostages, the Chechens stated their conditions: cessation of combat in Chechnya, withdrawal of Russian troops and entry into negotiations with Dudayev. At this point in the crisis, the Russian authorities would not even consider negotiating with the Chechen terrorists and developed plans to storm the hospital.

The tense wait continued. The Russians deployed a variety of special forces units to Budennovsk.26 More than once, Basayev threatened to kill hostages if the Russians attempted to storm the hospital. He positioned hostages along the windows to discourage the Russians from shooting.27 On 15 and 16 June, Basayev repeated Chechen demands and warned the Russians not to attack. Alongside the Russian military units, the Russian media flooded to Budennovsk, and soon the entire country was following the dramatic events.

The Moscow News reported, "Saturday, June 17th will go down in the annals of the struggle against terrorism as a day of folly, unprofessionalism of the military and the complete idiocy of their superiors. These are the most delicate expressions which we happened to hear there."32 At dawn and again at 2 p.m., Russian special forces attempted to storm the hospital. The results were gruesome: More than 100 hostages were killed. Who killed them-Russians or Chechens-is unclear. The Chechen and Russian soldiers also suffered some casualties. Between the two attacks, perhaps to illustrate he was not totally ruthless, Basayev released about 150 pregnant women and children. When their rescue attempts failed, Russian leaders quickly denied they had given any orders to attack.33

On day five of the crisis-Sunday, 18 June-the Russians began to seriously consider negotiating with the Chechens. In a surreal media event, the Russian prime minister conducted telephone negotiations with Basayev on live Russian television. Millions of Russians watched as Victor Chernomyrdin pleaded with the Chechen leader not to harm the hostages.34 Chernomyrdin finally agreed to Chechen demands to halt combat and begin peace negotiations.35

Basayev now faced a dilemma: how to return to Chechnya when he and his men were completely surrounded by the humiliated Russian security establishment, who considered him guilty of countless murders and other crimes. He was not about to take the prime minister at his word, because it was apparent Chermonyrdin did not control the "power" ministers. Negotiations continued through 19 and 20 June. To ensure safe passage, Basayev demanded that a number of "volunteer" hostages-mostly journalists and a number of Duma deputies-accompany the Chechens back to Chechnya.

It took some time for the Russians to assemble six buses and a refrigerated truck-to carry the bodies of the dead Chechen rebels. The convoy left Budennovsk 20 June but was forced to stop at the Chechen-Dagestani border when the Russian military commander refused to issue a written guarantee for the convoy's safe passage through Russian-held territory in Chechnya.36 The convoy was always surrounded by armed Russian personnel. After receiving a guarantee from the prime minister, the convoy entered Chechnya, and Basayev released the hostages in the mountain village of Zandak. Basayev and the Chechens celebrated this victory.

40 posted on 06/02/2002 5:16:58 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: John H K
Maybe some people can't tell the difference between a Christian Arab American and a Muslim Arab foreigner because they don't know enough about either ----it's not race that would be the criteria as much as other indicators ---language is one of the best. I can usually tell a Canadian from an American and I can tell a Michigan accent from an Ohio accent. I can tell a Puerto Rican from a Mexican or a Spaniard very easily ---not by racial features though.
43 posted on 06/02/2002 6:19:52 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MarMema; cmsgop; jennyp
Well, I'm down here in Pierce County. Bremerton does seem like a possiblity. Ft. Lewis and McChord are probably not likely as they are both pretty secure. Whidbey is a scary thought- husband's grandparents live in Oak Harbor.

My husband and I were just discussing how many more obviously Muslim people we've noticed since 9/11. It could be that we're more perceptive, now, but I don't think that's it. Has anyone else up here noticed more of them than there used to be?

44 posted on 06/02/2002 6:45:34 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: usconservative
"Give Al Qaeda's new warnings today, I'm wondering if hospitals have become targets for these terrorist scum?"

The hospital is not the primary target. They will hit the hospital to assure that the injured will not recieve treatment. The Sears Towers, primary target?

45 posted on 06/02/2002 6:52:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: usconservative
Please ping me if there are any new developments on this, okay? Meanwhile, I'll do a quick search to check for any media reports.
46 posted on 06/02/2002 6:52:16 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: John H K
1) All of the Muslims and/or Arabs to have taken part in terrorist attacks on the US, within the US, in the history of the country, can be comfortably counted on the fingers and toes of 2-3 people.

WRONG!!!! The attack on WTC in '93 and again on 9/11/01 were organized by MANY Arab Muslims working together and funding the project over a long period of time. I would venture to say at least 100 and maybe 200 Muslims were involved throughout the plots.

47 posted on 06/02/2002 7:05:56 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: usconservative
Please contact me about this by FReepmail.
48 posted on 06/02/2002 7:09:27 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: usconservative
Sorry to say, the terror index thing has been removed. I, however, am saving this info.
49 posted on 06/02/2002 7:10:53 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
This is significant and this type of threat possibility needs to be publicized. Emergency departments are ready-made for walk-in suicide bombers, especially if they appear to be bleeding already!
50 posted on 06/02/2002 7:14:02 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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