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But What About African America's Debt?
PipeBombNews.com ^ | June 3, 2002 | William A. Mayer, Editor & Publisher PipeBombNews.com

Posted on 06/03/2002 6:39:18 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic

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To: johnqueuepublic
Wish I could be more specific but I heard it back in school. Of course the spin they gave it was "evil white Europeans trading human beings for trinkets."
21 posted on 06/03/2002 8:58:23 AM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: johnqueuepublic
BTTT!
22 posted on 06/03/2002 9:00:46 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: johnqueuepublic
Not sure which post you referred to, but my source for the legality of slavery in Saudi Arabia was the Toronto Star. In a background item a few months ago they stated, "Slavery was banned on the Arabian Peninsula in 1964."
23 posted on 06/03/2002 9:01:48 AM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: Squawk 8888
I really dont think that can be substantiated, most slaves were not sold into slavery by their own tribes, imho.
24 posted on 06/03/2002 9:55:15 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: woodman
Bump for later reading.
25 posted on 06/03/2002 10:35:14 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: johnqueuepublic
But What About African America’s Debt?

*By now, haven't reparations for slavery and the royalties due to the descendants of the Caucasian Dr. James Naismith, for inventing basketball, canceled each other out?

26 posted on 06/03/2002 10:35:58 AM PDT by SantosLHalper
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To: johnqueuepublic
those who deserve compensation are those who died to free the slaves, and their ingrate spawn.
27 posted on 06/03/2002 10:38:40 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: SantosLHalper
Ah, good point ... but those asking for reparations are too lazy, too stupid and too short to play the game apparently.
28 posted on 06/03/2002 10:40:05 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: johnqueuepublic
Personnally, I think criminal slavery should be re-introduced. Instead of sending someone to 5 years in a "club fed" - put their 5 year contract on the auction block. Buyers of the contracts would have the right to require any legal work from the prisoner. Then prevent any lawsuits or penalities against the contract owners for any treatment during the contract period. Contract owners would be required to provide food, water, clothing appropriate to the conditions, sanitation, a place to rest and 6 hours of sleep per day. Five years in a sugar cane field or hoeing weeds in a farmers field during a Kansas summer just might convince the con to not return to a life of crime. Proceeds of the sale would go to the treasury.

I know it would never happen. That there would be a lot of details that would need to be worked out. And that the idea would be attacked by the bleeding harts - but - it is allowed under the constitution.

Amendment XIII - Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

29 posted on 06/03/2002 10:49:58 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: johnqueuepublic
Great post. Thank you Sir.
30 posted on 06/03/2002 10:52:15 AM PDT by hoot33
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To: mhking
Thanks for the ping.

If America has no debt to Blacks for slavery then Blacks have no debt to America. Call it an even deal and everybody on both sides shut up about it.

31 posted on 06/03/2002 11:02:31 AM PDT by mafree
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To: mafree
Sound fair to me.
32 posted on 06/03/2002 11:36:53 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: hoot33
Thanks
33 posted on 06/03/2002 11:43:12 AM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: johnqueuepublic
Slaves were valuable property and a very important part of the means of production, certainly brutality existed, but mistreatment made as little sense as the abuse of anything instrumental to putting bread on the table.

Here's an excerpt from a well-researched textbook used in colleges until Political Correctness idiots gained power and now suppresed. Slaves were valuable property, but the Irish were expendabe. I want reparations!

A History of the South
Fourth Edition
Alfred A. Knopf 1947, 1953, 1963, 1972
Francis Butler Simkins and Charles Pierce Roland
P. 125-126

Abolitionist assertions that the bondsmen (slaves) were frequently inadequately clothed, underfed, and driven to death are economically unreasonable. Masters wished to preserve the health and life of their slaves because a sick Negro was a liability and a dead Negro was worth nothing. A rough plenty prevailed on the average plantation. “The best preventive of theft is plenty of pork,” was the advice of a Virginian.

Slaves probably fared as well in the enjoyment of the necessities of life as did most of the free laborers of the country. One of the most respected of all Northern critics of slavery, Frederick Law Olmsted, wrote that the Southern bondsmen lived in quarters quite as adequate as those of most mill or mine workers elsewhere, and that the slaves were perhaps the best fed “proletarian class” in the world. He also testified that they worked less than did free laborers.

Incomplete statistics reveal that the slaves averaged somewhat higher sickness and death rates per thousand than did Southern whites as a whole. But the slaves were from all indications as healthy and long-lived as white common laborers in the United States before the Civil War. It was general knowledge at the time in Louisiana that the slaves were better off in these respects than were the thousands of Irish immigrant laborers engaged in clearing land and digging drainage canals on the sugar plantations. The planters were reluctant to commit their expensive chattels to this dangerous work, but preferred to hire free laborers, whose loss by death, sickness, or injury cost nothing. A careful study of the figures on a group of 875 plantation slaves whose records are preserved indicates their average life expectancy at the time of birth to have been longer than that of the general population of such cities as New York, Boston, and Philadelphia during the same period. An authority on urban slavery concludes that the medical care, health, and welfare of slaves in Southern cities were superior to the care, health, and welfare of the free Negroes; and the outstanding work on the life of Negroes in the North at this time shows that they fared no better in such matters than did free blacks in the land of slavery.

34 posted on 06/03/2002 11:56:20 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: taxcontrol
Amendment 13 has been interpreted as to mean that once convicted, they may either be forced to work in prison or forced to do community service. Not argueing with you. Both of these are done, however, it has been basically stated that this is a governemt right. A little scary when you think about, technically, and constitutionally, if you commit a crime, the government can make you a slave to work for it. This is the underlying basis for community service, which ironically is usually for small crimes.
35 posted on 06/03/2002 12:35:53 PM PDT by Sonny M
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To: PoisedWoman
Excellent, was not aware of the details made know in your citation.
36 posted on 06/03/2002 1:32:03 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: Sonny M
Slavery has been abolished by the 13th Amendment, involuntary servitude can only be imposed via:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The "...except..." part modifies involuntary servitude, ie. prison. Slavery is outlawed, you will never find a con law professor to agree to your interpretation.

37 posted on 06/03/2002 1:39:45 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: johnqueuepublic
Bump for an interesting thread.

If you're interested in Slavery, you might also want to read the interesting book, Cane River, by Lalita Tademe, a former high-tech exec who wrote the history of her family as slaves in Louisiana. Slaves were slaves and did plenty of work, according to this book, but they were to a certain extent integrated into the families that owned them and were not treated miserably.

I got the book I cited earlier, A History of the South, at eBay for a couple of dollars. It's an excellent textbook.

38 posted on 06/04/2002 8:05:40 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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