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COLLISION AT SEA (33 years ago today-USS Frank E. Evans )
History Net ^ | 6-3-2002 | Phil Smith and Mal Lancaster

Posted on 06/03/2002 7:57:37 AM PDT by SJackson

On the morning of June 3, 1969, 74 American sailors died when the destroyer USS Frank E. Evans was cut in two by an Australian aircraft carrier in the South China Sea.

By Phil Smith and Mal Lancaster

Niobrara is a very small town in Nebraska--so small it doesn't have a cinema, and the locals could not have flocked to see Saving Private Ryan. But Niobrara has a memorial outside its library dedicated to the three Sage brothers, who were the first family group allowed to serve together on a U.S. warship after World War II. Radarman 3rd Class Gregory Sage and Seaman Recruits Gary Sage and Kelly Sage died together, along with 71 shipmates, on USS Frank E. Evans when the Australian aircraft carrier Melbourne literally cut their destroyer in two at 3 o'clock on the morning of June 3, 1969, in the South China Sea. Most of Evans' 272-man crew were asleep at the time of the collision. Jolted awake by the impact, the Americans began a struggle to save their lives, if not their ship. The Australians soon joined in the desperate struggle.

Few Australians are aware of the collision that claimed 74 American lives during Operation Sea Spirit exercises at the height of the Vietnam War and led--in the face of tragedy--to a bond between sailors on either side of the Pacific. Now living in the United States, the retired skipper of the Australian carrier recalled the few awful minutes that changed the lives of hundreds of men. "It's still very vivid, still bad memories, still a very traumatic occasion," said John Stevenson.

A court-martial and the inquiry that followed found Captain Stevenson not at fault, yet his career was doomed from the moment his crew readied Evans to take up plane guard/rescue position, as Melbourne prepared for night-flying operations. Earlier in the exercise, Melbourne had had a near miss that was fresh in Stevenson's memory on June 3. "A couple of nights before one of the other [American] destroyers took a run at us," Stevenson recalled, but that time Melbourne had managed to get out of the destroyer's path.

Melbourne had signaled Evans, one of five U.S., British and New Zealand destroyers on the inner screen, to prepare to take up the position of plane guard, 1,000 yards behind the carrier. It was the fifth time that night that Evans had carried out the maneuver. The sea was dead calm, the water moonlit. As an extra precaution, Melbourne had her navigation lights at full brilliance. Procedures had been clearly established for the smaller vessel to turn away from the carrier before falling into a position well behind. But instead, the American destroyer turned into the huge carrier's path.

The June 3 collision is something former Sub-Lieutenant Graham Winterflood, a Westland Wessex helicopter pilot serving aboard Melbourne, won't ever forget. "We were anti-submarine screen forward of the ship...." he said. "We took off and were sent out on a heading ahead of Melbourne, and funnily enough, on the way there, I was the co-pilot and I could see a masthead light up ahead of us, so we had to dodge around that. Little did I know at the time that that was the USS Evans."

Petty Officer Ron Baker was in Melbourne's radio room. "It was like riding over a piece of corrugated iron on a bicycle," he recalled. "There was a shuddering as we went over something and the initial reaction was, 'We've run aground!' Of course this was all split-second thinking, and then we realized we were in 1,100 fathoms of water so the chances of running aground were pretty slim. Another thought that went through our heads was that we'd hit a submarine," Baker added, "because we knew there was a Russian submarine in the area monitoring the exercise."

At that moment, Lieutenant Winterflood was hunting that submarine. "We were just about to lower our sonar ball, when the ship recalled us, saying they'd had a collision," he remembered. "We flew back to the Melbourne, and tied alongside was half a destroyer. It was an unbelievable sight."

Melbourne had ridden over the destroyer with such an impact that one of Evans' lookouts, Seaman Marcus Rodriguez, was thrown into the air, landing on the flight deck of the carrier and suffering horrible injuries. In the less than three minutes it took Winterflood's helicopter to return, the front section of the American ship had disappeared.

Aircrew and aircraft handlers were preparing to launch S-2E Tracker aircraft. Their engines were shut down immediately, and the crews rushed to help. Some dangled fire hoses over the carrier's side as makeshift ladders, while others secured Evans' stern alongside Melbourne with wire cable.

"It was all very quick," recalled Stevenson. "Very chaotic, but organized as far as the Melbourne was concerned. They all knew what they were doing. The stern half of the Evans was secured to the ship, and people hopped over the edge to help survivors back onto Melbourne."

Ron Baker remembered: "Some of the [Melbourne] officers dropped cargo nets over the side and scrambled down. Four of them actually went through the aft section of the Evans to make sure no one was left on there after the Americans had climbed on board."

Stevenson recalled that "Bob Burns, who's now dead, was one of the stars of the side. He dived over the stern, and a lot of guys did that."

"He went over twice," recounted Baker. "He pulled in one guy who'd been crushed, got him in and was no sooner back on board than he spotted another bloke in the water, jumped over again and towed him to a lifeboat. He got the George Medal [the British Commonwealth's second highest award for noncombat heroism]." In the end, Melbourne crewmen received 15 Naval Board commendations, with two Queen's commendations, two British Empire Medals, a Member of the British Empire and one [British Commonwealth] Air Force Cross.

It was a bright, moonlit night, but down in the shadow of Melbourne was blackness. Jock Donnelly used the 10-inch signal lamp as spotlight, calling to the rescuers, "There's another one!"

Winterflood's Wessex helicopter arrived overhead. "There were two or three helicopters airborne at the time," he recalled, "and while ours didn't have a winch, we used our landing light to spotlight survivors, while the other two Wessexes used their winches."

The unit citation awarded to Winterflood's No. 817 Squadron by the U.S. secretary of the Navy gave this account: "Thirty-eight of the 111 men in the forward section of USS Frank E. Evans were able to escape or were thrown into the water. Within 25 minutes of the collision all these men had been returned to the Melbourne. The helicopters and men of 817 Squadron were called upon for maximum effort, not only during these first critical minutes when survivors were being illuminated in the water, but also during the more than 15 hours during which search operations continued."

Overhead the helicopter crews were tired and stunned. Lieutenant Winterflood looked down on a scene alarmingly similar to the site of an accident five years earlier. "There was a lot of stuff in the water," he recalled. "There were life rafts, motor cutters getting around and helicopters with lights. But the actual sight of half a ship was very hard to come to grips with because, having seen it once before, it was hard to imagine the same thing could happen again."

Back in 1964 HMAS Voyager had collided with Melbourne, killing 82. Captain Stevenson had that earlier tragedy in mind on the occasion of the near-collision with an American destroyer in the spring of 1969. "I now know what my friend Robbie [Captain John Robertson] went through," he wrote his wife. "He didn't have a chance of dodging Voyager. This destroyer was much farther away from me, and I didn't have much chance of avoiding her, but I just managed to get away." Little did Stevenson know that a few days later, when Evans crossed Melbourne's path, he would have an even better idea of the horror Captain Robertson had experienced.

The helicopters flew all day on June 3, 1969, landing for hot refueling and then returning to the search area. Petty Officer Baker spent the long hours sending hundreds of messages. He described that morning as something like a dream sequence. Baker reckoned the last of the 198 sailors saved from the South China Sea was Chief Petty Officer Larry Malilay.

"Larry thought he was gone," Baker said. "He just drifted off, and for a while he could see and hear the choppers, but he was drifting away, and when he was finally rescued the pilot said, 'Hang on, I think I can see someone swimming for the Philippines,' and they winched him aboard."

On board Melbourne the strangest scene was being played out. Captain Stevenson ordered the band onto the deck, and the beer vault was opened for the American survivors. Australian sailors recall their mates giving away the clothes from their backs. One sailor went below and brought up his entire kit, while the clothing store was opened and blankets were passed out. Eventually the survivors were lifted off and taken to USS Kearsarge. At that point, Baker heard a sound he'll never forget: "As they were about to leave our ship, they stood on the quarterdeck and gave us three cheers. We had just cut their ship in half and here they were giving us three cheers."

The end of USS Frank E. Evans was the beginning of an enduring bond between the two crews. Those who served aboard Melbourne have certainly suffered, but the survivors of the battered crew of Evans had it worse.

"I think a lot of the crew suffered trauma," said Stevenson. "More so in the Evans than the Melbourne....A lot of them have lost wives and families, can't work and are still having a bad time of it."

Serving in her third conflict, the aging destroyer was on the gun line off the coast of Vietnam when she was moved out of the combat zone for Operation Sea Spirit. Like the two crews who'd served aboard Evans before them, the U.S. sailors had seen combat service. Yet the names of those who died in the collision have never been added to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. "It's a cause of great hurt to the American survivors," said Stevenson. "Their shipmates were lost, but their names are not on the Wall, and they're working hard to get that done, but they're not making much progress."

A few members of the Melbourne Association made a point of seeking out members of the Evans Association and getting together. In Ipswich, Australia, Ron Baker struck upon the idea of a reunion to mark the 25th anniversary. "When I broached the subject of a reunion 24 years after it happened, a lot of people said, 'Forget it, let it rest,' and I wondered if perhaps I was opening old wounds," Baker said.

Like Stevenson, Baker was well aware of how much former crewmen had suffered. Some had been in mental institutions, while others had become alcoholics. Nonetheless, a reunion was organized, and word came from the United States that members of the Evans Association would attend.

Shortly after that, Baker received a phone call from a woman in Alice Springs, Australia. "She said her husband was on the Melbourne when it happened," he recalled. "It was his first voyage, he was 18, and this was his introduction to the navy, and he'd been carrying the ghost of this thing for all those years. She put him on a plane and flew him over, and I reckon he went away a different man."

The following year, Australians attended a memorial service at Arlington National Cemetery, and a commitment was made that representatives of the two crews would meet each year. Although cleared of any blame, Captain Stevenson, the former skipper of Australia's last aircraft carrier, had his own burden to bear. "At that point I had a wife and two kids and a mortgage and all the rest of that stuff," he recalled. "I went out and lost everything. I had no future, no career, no pension, no nothing. It was a very big bang."

Stevenson believes the bond that has grown is easing the trauma. In 1999 he was in Sydney, along with many others from the United States, for a 30th anniversary memorial service. The retired captain said, "It was such a pleasure to see the Melbourne team again, and I have an expectation that they'll bring great warmth and humanity to the survivors of the Evans, and that together, they can ease their own pain."

While the battle to get recognition for the American sailors lost in the 1969 accident continues in the States, those fallen seamen have been honored in Australia. According to Ron Baker, "They were killed doing their duty for their country, and it doesn't matter if you're killed by an enemy bullet or a friendly ship."

Broadcast journalist Phil Smith is a former ABC-TV correspondent. Mal Lancaster is a Nikon Award-winning photographer. Both served in the Australian Defence Forces. Smith participated in numerous peacekeeping missions, and Lancaster is a Vietnam veteran. For additional reading, see: In the Wake: The True Story of the Melbourne-Evans Collision, Conspiracy and Cover-up, by Jo Stevenson; and Where Fate Calls: The HMAS Voyager Tragedy, by Tom Frame.

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1 posted on 06/03/2002 7:57:37 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

2 posted on 06/03/2002 8:54:56 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob
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To: SJackson
I'm Ashamed to say that I am totally unaware of this tragedy!
3 posted on 06/03/2002 8:58:50 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
I'd never heard of this, Tonk. Any comments?

Always All the Best....

4 posted on 06/03/2002 8:59:46 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Tennessee_Bob,onedoug,bandleader
I believe the Sage brothers were the first family members to serve together since the Sullivans in WWII.

These sailors names do not appear on the Vietnam Memorial since they were removed from the combat zone to participate in this exercise.

5 posted on 06/03/2002 9:47:06 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Bump for the brave lads of HMAS Melbourne and the USS Frank E. Evans.
6 posted on 06/03/2002 9:51:53 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
What a tremendous article. Thank you for posting.

Sadly, I understand the Melbourne ending up being sold to the Chinese, supposedly for scrap. There is some speculation it was used to help the Chinese program to build an aircraft carrier, which would be a sad end for an Australian ship.

7 posted on 06/03/2002 10:39:23 AM PDT by Steelerfan
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To: Steelerfan
If the Chinese want to study a 1940s-vintage Colossus-class CVL for tips on carrier design, I couldn't be happier. British carrier design was absolutely inept next to ours; they wound up paying off all but one WW2-vintage carrier by 1960, where we kept ours in service for another ten years and even considered bringing back the Oriskany in 1981 (if she'd been better preserved at her decommissioning, Lehman would have approved it).
8 posted on 06/03/2002 10:42:58 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: onedoug
"I'd never heard of this, Tonk. Any comments?"

We, USS CORRY DD 817, were in the Atlantic on training exercises when this happened.
Our ship had returned from Viet Nam just a few months earlier.
Back then there was no sattelite TV or internet access so the crew was unaware of this tragedy.
Thank You for pinging me to this thread.
9 posted on 06/03/2002 11:28:29 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;SJackson;Tennessee_Bob
Anytime, TG.

I was in Chu Lai at the time, but guess this somehow got by me.

Nasty business. RIP. Thinking, Eternal Father Strong To Save.

Good pix, TB.

SJackson, thanks for posting.

10 posted on 06/03/2002 11:43:31 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SJackson;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;Tennessee_Bob
I saw a training film on this in the early eighties. I don't remember now where the EVANS was in relation to the CV when they startred to manuever, but the film had a matrix of all the possible course and speed combinations available to the EVANS' OOD (come right, come left, speed up, slow down, maintain course, maintain speed, etc.). Unfortunately, he choose the one combination that guaranteed a collision.

If I remember, of the OOD and JOOD on watch, one was killed and the other tried at GCM.

11 posted on 06/03/2002 7:19:33 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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I was an RD3 aboard the USS Tawasa ATF-92, we towed what was left of the Frank E. Evans to Subic after the collision. We had just got off line in Viet Nam and were on the way to Australia for R&R. I never did get to Australia.
12 posted on 02/02/2003 8:13:08 PM PST by irwinv
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To: irwinv
Welcome to FR. How did you happen to find this old thread?

Do you know what they did with the hulk after you guys got it to Subic?
13 posted on 02/02/2003 10:02:07 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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It was sunk as target on 10 October 1969 by USS John R Craig.

14 posted on 08/11/2003 11:43:06 PM PDT by katacole1
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To: katacole1
Thanks for the info.

You know, with just a post or two every 6 months, we could keep this thread going for years...
15 posted on 08/12/2003 7:02:59 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (20 years in the Navy; never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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I have heard of this incident, but just barely.

I am told that The Citadel uses this incident as a case study in command decision making. The officers on the bridge of the USS Evans made some mistakes.

16 posted on 08/12/2003 7:21:47 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Poohbah

Thanks Poohbah for a reality check.I didn't then, and I don't know now too much about the naval fighting capabilties of the Melbourne (I was a 'Black Ganger',considered by 'Fish Heads'to be a lower form of animal life than themselves),however,I served on the Melbourne when it tragically collided with the Evans. Prior to the event, I hadn't slept for about a week due to a combination of action watches and British designed air conditioning which didn't work in the tropics. Like most Pommie ships, its showering and laundry facilities were a definite after thought. I also served on HMAS Vendetta, a Daring class British built destroyer. Once again, personal hygiene facilities were not a priority. I visited the old Victor Class Russian sub in Sydney a few years ago and it got me thinking that maybe there is a doctoral thesis here about the development of heads and bathing facilities on naval vessels. The thesis could end with a summary of which navies provide the most heads and showers per crew member and rank them in order from best to worst. There will be no prizes for guessing which navies end at the bottom of the list.

17 posted on 05/11/2005 12:09:35 PM PDT by Long Tan
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To: SJackson

I arrived in Subic shortly after the collision and the following is based on information I received through several sources at the time. I must emphasize that this is NOT an official account of the accident. The scenario leading up to the collision as relayed to me follows:

The Evans was on night sub screen detail off the port quarter (approx. 10-11 o'clock position) of the Melbourne with a Lt. J.G. as OOD (The skipper was asleep at the time). The OOD was operating under orders to wake the captain if there was any change to the ship's standing orders. The Melbourne radioed the Evans to take up plane guard detail approx. 1,000 yards to the stern of the Melbourne. We'll never know for sure what happened next but the OOD apparently decided it was a simple maneuver and without notifying the captain, ordered a sharp turn to starboard. By itself, this did not cause the accident as the Evans was far enough away from the Melbourne to safely complete the turn without crossing the carrier's path. However, the OOD neglected to notify the Melbourne of this maneuver and the OOD of the carrier assumed (incorrectly) that the Evans was about to cross the bow, possibly causing a collision. The Melbourne OOD then made the fateful decision to order a left full rudder to turn the carrier behind the apparent track of the Evans. Unfortunately, the Evans probably would have completed the turn except now the Melbourne was turning into the Evans, striking it on the port side just aft of the bridge. The skipper of the Evans survived, as the captain's cabin is located aft of the bridge. Since the skipper was asleep at the time and the OOD violated orders, the skipper was vindicated but his career was essentially over. Most of the crew lost on the Evans were asleep at the time. They were from the operations department which had it's berthing in the forward section which sank. It was mainly due the quick actions of the remaining crew closing watertight hatches that the stern was kept afloat preventing additional loss of life.

As I stated earlier, this is strictly non-official information but it was the best I was able to obtain at the time.

18 posted on 09/18/2005 7:38:54 AM PDT by bdjahn
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To: bdjahn

Thanks for the commentary and pinging the thread.

19 posted on 09/18/2005 4:11:58 PM PDT by SJackson (“I worry that I've seen this movie before”, Rep. Mark Kirk on aid to palestinians.)
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To: SJackson

I have read your article with interest, as I was serving onboard HMS Cleopatra at the time, I remember being woken up at 3am with the ships broadcast telling of the emergency.For a few days the weather had been a bit rough, but in the morning the weather was flat calm, the sky and sea a dirty grey colour, and in the middle of the ring of rescue ships was the stern part of the Frank E Evans, still afloat, a picture that remains in my mind to this day, and my heart went out to those that perished. I heard later that the stern section was towed to Subic Bay to be decommisioned. Thank you for filling in some of the details that i never had

20 posted on 07/16/2006 5:40:34 AM PDT by hotspur01
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To: hotspur01
My husband was aboard the Evans when it was struck, fortunately he was on the half that stayed afloat. Starting in 1997 there is a reunion for the crew. This includes any one who served aboard her since she was put into service. So there are many men from the Korean War and the Viet Nam War. I don't recall any one from WW2 attending. The reunion is held yearly at different locations here in the states.
21 posted on 10/03/2006 8:34:50 PM PDT by divametso
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To: SJackson
It's been a strange day. I had a dream last night of my two years in the Navy. Something lead me to research the Evans as I was in Subic when it was in dry dock. I took some photos that are like the ones you have displayed. Man, it seems like just last week. It is sad to go through my military 'junk box' and remember things. I have talked with others throughout the years about the tragedy. Most recently, I have talked to people about the missing names of the lost sailors on Our Wall in Washington. From Sturgis, to Kansas City, to Denver and southern California everyone....Everyone, seems to agree that these men should be duly noted. I know there are rules about who is on the wall, and I respect that. I also feel a sense of right and wrong. These men just came from Vietnam and were probably going back at the conclusion of the exercises(a little research will note the commendations they received for their role). Are the names not on the wall because of a mistake that night and 'we' don't want to bring it to light? Is it because 74 souls were lost in the flash of a few minutes? I'm sorry if feel differently. That's one reason we go to war - to protect Freedom of Speech. But I am going to try to put forth more effort in getting the names added to the Wall. It's hard enough to view that Granite...even harder, for me, to see it not complete.
22 posted on 10/20/2006 4:11:15 PM PDT by hullspder (Names on the Wall)
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To: SJackson

I remember the night well. I was stationed at U.S. Naval Communications Station San Antonio PI. As a Radioman 1st class technical control operator I was assigned to maintaining quality (multiplex) communications with various ships in the South China Sea. The HMAS Melbourne was typing some instructions to me and suddenly stopped in mid-sentence. A minute or two went by and I saw the rephase light come on and the Melbourne typed... "Blimey Mate, I think we just ran over one of your tin cans" .. The rest is history. Al Jensen

23 posted on 11/24/2006 3:18:04 PM PST by southfork
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To: SJackson

I remember the night very well. I was on the USS Kearsarge watching from the port side catwalk as helos serched the water for survivors. I remember the survivors being brought to the hangar bay where a temporary triage was set up to treat the wounded. Another area was cordoned off for body bags until the dead could be transferred below to refrigeration units.
What I remember most was the surealistic conditions that night. The sea was glass smooth with flying fish from the wake providing the only disturbance to an otherwise mirror surface. The colored navigation lights and bright searchlights added reflections to a scene that I never saw repeated in my four years of shipboard service on the Kearsarge and later USS Coral Sea.
I find it appalling that the 74 sailors lost have not been recognized by the US military as Vietnam casualties. These men deserve to be listed on the wall. We owe them that...

Kerry Owen
US Navy 1968-1972

24 posted on 12/05/2006 8:04:03 AM PST by KerryOwen
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To: KerryOwen; southfork; hullspder; divametso; hotspur01

Thanks for the pings. Worth remembering.

25 posted on 12/05/2006 8:23:15 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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You know, with just a post or two every 6 months, we could keep this thread going for years...
15 posted on 08/12/2003 9:02:59 PM CDT by GATOR NAVY

Four and counting :>)

26 posted on 12/05/2006 8:26:21 AM PST by SJackson (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user, T. Roosevelt)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Geez... I hope the airbags deployed!

27 posted on 12/05/2006 8:27:31 AM PST by LIConFem (Just opened a new seafood restaurant in Great Britain, called "Squid Pro Quid")
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To: SJackson; hullspder; KerryOwen

We need another Wall, one where there would be no question of whether or not these men's names belonged. I'd like to see a Cold War Wall.

28 posted on 12/05/2006 10:04:19 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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This thread will go on and on. I just returned from a Vietnam Era Destroyer-men's Reunion and spoke to a Survivor
of the USS Frank E Evans. He suffered serious burns and is very active in getting his crew members inscribed on the Wall. I'm going to do what I can to help in this cause.
29 posted on 02/19/2007 12:00:39 PM PST by Chess77Steve
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To: Chess77Steve

Hope he's successful. How is he going about this?

I still think the idea of a Cold War Wall is appropriate.

30 posted on 02/19/2007 7:05:16 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: bdjahn
I was on the Evans, May ‘65 to May ‘67. One addition, if I may. Also berthed forward, including operations (Radar, ET’s, Sonar) was the Chiefs quarters and the deck crew.
I don’t remember where the quartermasters quarters where.
I knew some of the guys who went down with their ship. Sad.
A. Streicher RD3
31 posted on 04/12/2007 8:16:01 AM PDT by weetoots
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To: weetoots

Missing from the accounts of this accident was the fact that ships in this task group that night were refueling from the USS Taluga (AO-62). I was aboard the Taluga when the accident occured, and still have a color Polaroid photo of the Evans after sunrise. It was my impression at the time, that the additional manuvering and repositioning of ships as they took turns refueling, contributed greatly to the confusion that lead to this accident.
A bad day for both Navies....
Paul D. Owens

32 posted on 04/26/2007 8:45:39 AM PDT by Unwillyn
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To: Unwillyn
I was a Gunner’s Mate on the USS Noa DD841 at that time. Earlier that day the Evans was operating close off the coast of Viet Nam on the “Gun Line”. We came in on her last pass down the coast and relieved her . After she shot her last salvo with her stern gun mount we fell in line and began firing missions with our forward mounts. I saw her at Subic Bay later. I actually went aboard the remaining stern half sitting there in Subic. Even though there had been a lot of scavenging of parts from the remains you still could see the devastation of the collision. Most of us aboard ships at sea over there never really saw a picture of what that war was like especially for the infantry and artillery on land. We destroyer sailors only got to see the aircraft coming back to the carriers when we were plane guarding. The aircraft flew directly over us on their approach. We could tell when one was all shot up and damaged. We could hear the alarms on the carriers. We could see the lights frantically flashing. We could see the pilots eject and see the crippled F-4’s and A-6's hit the round down on the back of the flight deck and make that fiery plunge to the sea in front of us. Most of us were really young and because of the fact that we were not being fired upon and hit we did not sense the war. However seeing the stern of the Evans there at Subic put cold shivers down my spine. I am appalled that the names of those 74 men are not written on The Wall.
33 posted on 06/02/2007 8:18:44 AM PDT by gmg1usn
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To: gmg1usn

I was a Radioman onboard the USS Schofield DEG-3 we were in the exercise also, and I also remember the melborn being on TTY and telling us that she had just cut our can in half. Our CO was real close with the Evans CO and we ran to there location, it was real erie arriving there at the brake of dawn, seeing the stern section floating in a clear calm sea, it was so smooth, I have never seen it like that before. I was talking to the Radioman on the Evans when all of a sudden there was nothing there.

34 posted on 07/20/2007 11:32:01 AM PDT by DEG3 JACK
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I am a resident of Niobrara, NE where there is a Memorial for the 3 Sage Brothers that were killed on the USS Frank E. Evans. I am trying to locate magazines on or around June 13, 1969 about the ship and the brothers for the Museum. Recently, we had the Time Magazine taken from the museum and I am trying to recover some of these artifacts. If you have any items or know of any magazine articles about the ship, can you please send them my way. Thanks and God Bless.

35 posted on 09/14/2007 8:52:30 AM PDT by niobrara
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To: KerryOwen
I also remember that night very well, I was on the HMAS Parramatta, we were escorting USS Kearsarge during the exercise. I was on the bridge when the signal came out at 3.00am the fateful night. We were deployed to the seen approx 30km away. Like all there that night I could not understand what had happened as the conditions were perfect. We stayed in the area for most of that day and then were required to escort the Melbourne back to Singapore to review the damage. 24 Hours out of Singapore we were deployed to Subic Bay to take the role of communications link between the Board of Inquiry and the Australian Navy. We stayed there approx 3 weeks if memory serves me right. I must admit we were a bit nervous as to how the American Sailors and Public would take our presence when we went ashore for leave given what happened - remembering we didn't really know what or how this tragedy came about. All we new was that the Melbourne hit the Evans. I was one of the first to take leave and each and every American I met couldn't thank me enough for what and how the sailors on the Melbourne did to try and save those left on the Evans. I must admit I was proud and at the same time devastated at knowing how many lives were lost. I really think out of this tragedy a special bond was created between the 2 navies. Yes I agree some sort of remembrance is deserved.
36 posted on 10/24/2007 10:57:46 PM PDT by Parramatta
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37 posted on 03/31/2008 10:24:06 PM PDT by NELLI EN3
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To: everyone

I was a QM3 (soon to be Qm2) on board that night. I would have had the next QM watch. We were hit at 3am local time. The carrier went thru the forward fire room/radio central/CIC/chart room, just forward of the mast. One signalman (I heard) landed on the flight deck. Nobody from the fireroom survived more than a few minutes. Forward engine room also flooded.
QM, Sm, etc. bunk area was the compartment forward of after steering, under mount 53. When we hit the ship rolled completely on her stbd side. Most crew compartments spanned the ship (side to side), 30 some feet. That meant some of those sleeping on the port side fell 3o feet. I remember waking to a concussion like noise similar to an incoming round. Then as the ship rolled, lots of metal noises, scraping banging, etc. Then there were screams, some of pain and some of surprise. We had some broken arms and legs. I have to call a bs on the Melbourne having running lights on. NEVER at night did any ships have lights, It was simulated wartime. I remember NO lights, No radar. We used a stadimeter for ranges and position. Depending on our station, the Melbourne silhouette was just a black blob at night. All ships were on a common zig-zag course. OD would order course changes from a time chart. We got out of time and OD didn’t realize we were on a different course...
I was one of the last to go on deck. A DC1 went through and shut doors, etc, but there were solid bulkheads (aft fire room, aft boiler room, etc.) With a calm sea there was no real danger of sinking soon. The sea was as calm as I ever saw it. It was strange to go topside and see no ship forward. I think the ship broke at the forward end of the torpedo deck. Only one boat davit was left. I think I saw the boat hanging.
Calm seas probably saved many lives. Also, Melbourne crew was impressive in their seamanship skills. I was told the boats had engines running and dropped the last several feet from the davits. They took off at full speed for our survivors.
Several people on the forward section were at their end of endurance when the boats pulled up. The Aussies kept the death toll down.
I have Stars & Stripes covering the collision and the Sage bros. I knew all three. As a Qm, I stood bridge watches with the Bms and worked with the radarman.
We had 3 days in Subic before we flew back to Long Beach. Those lightly injured or uninjured were sent to a just completed barracks. We had no duty and so swapped info during the day and got drunk at night. The barracks was worse for wear when we left.
About dawn we went up on the Melbourne’s stern under the flight deck. After a couple hours, the Aussies broke out a pallet of beer cases. The can was twice as big as USA beer cans and twice the alcohol content. I don’t remember if it was Fosters, but my sex life got better a few days later. Very thoughtful of them.
When the Kearsarge arrived we were transfered to her in Melbourne boats. We all took several more cans of beer and drank them on the trip over. Needless to say, many were drunk. The Kearsarge rigged a ladder, but they started moving us before the railing was in place. I remember someone falling into the sea. Some a’hole wouldn’t allow the beer on board so we drank up on the ladder on in the boats.
Riding a carrier after a tin can was amazing. We were on board 3 days and I only felt movement once. We watched a destroyed come alongside and were surprised how much she moved.

I served on a couple more WWII cans for short times and then was sent to a DLG (now called a cruiser). I spent the rest of my navy time trying to get off it.
I later was a commercial fisherman on the US west coast (salmon and albacore). I soon will be 60 and was about to be 21 when this happened. 40 years ago now.

I understand the Melbourne holds the peace time tonnage record.

Anyway, I have a lot of info/stories if anybody wants more.

38 posted on 05/16/2008 3:14:40 AM PDT by johngotti
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I was a NAAH on HMAS Melbourne in 1969,21years old.
I finished my watch on the flight deck at 0200hrs, went below,showered and got a camp stretcher to sleep on the foc’sle port side (under the catapult). No sooner got to sleep and heard “hands to collision stations” but it was dream like. Next thing I was thrown out off the stretcher amongst noise sparks fumes etc, I then looked out of the opening port side and saw the bow of Evans conpletely on its side with the ships numbers clearly seen in the moonlight. I guess I was like a stunned mullet, as I witnessed the bow sink in no time flat. Someone was calling out for mother/wife or ?.
I then raced up to the flight deck to my station (ACR) and we just got to work arranging for the Wessex to be brought up from the hanger. At first light I took photos and then when we stopped for a service (church) sometime later in the morning, I got all emotional. Later I was required to help bring a body from sick bay up to the flight deck to be flown back to the Kearsage.
These memories still haunt me to some extent.
During this time my father was serving in Vietnam at Nui Dat in the Australian Army.
HMAS Melbourne limped into Singapore and got a temporary patch up job to cover up the bow so we could return to Sydney. 2 weeks after the collision while we were in Singapore, my first son was born 17th June.
I’m now 60 and my oldest son will be 40 next year, so here’s hoping the will be a 40th reunion somewhere next year. We are shipmates always.
Glen email:
May God bless those of us who are still going and for those who have not survived RIP

39 posted on 08/25/2008 5:22:24 AM PDT by honky_dore
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To: SJackson

If anyone reading this knows where I can find a complete list of those on the Evans who died as a result of the collision, please post the information. A friend from NAVOCS was one of the Officers who died.

40 posted on 02/10/2009 1:16:32 PM PST by olrtex (()
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To: weetoots
Thanks for the update. I never set foot on the Evans and it's been more than a few years since I was on a ‘can. I knew ops berthing was in the forward area but forgot about the Chiefs and deck crew. I was ET2 and happened to be in Subic when the remainder of the Evans was towed in, thankful I was not on it as I probably wouldn't be here now if I was. One of the operations crew lost was a friend of mine as we served together on the USS Nereus. What is really sad was the whitewash that took place in the aftermath.
41 posted on 11/29/2009 8:14:24 PM PST by bdjahn
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To: SJackson

I was BT3 on board the USS O’Brien DD725 and we never heard and were not aware the collison at that time. I was assigned to forward fire room. We alternated between gunfire support and plane guarding missions. That is when this incident occured. Several months after the incident to the best of my memory a BT3 was transferred to our ship and into my division. He told us what had happened. He had got off a watch, sacked out and heard a bunch of shuttering of the ship. When they realized something happened and went on the main deck, the front of the ship had already sunk. This was the first we heard of the incident, when he came aboard our ship and told us what happened. We became very good friends. I justed wanted to share my experience. My thoughts are with the families and friends that lost a loved one.

42 posted on 05/31/2010 5:04:51 PM PDT by panheadred
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To: KerryOwen

They only recovered one body. The rest went down with the ship.

43 posted on 06/12/2011 12:28:50 PM PDT by CVA34
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To: SJackson

I was working the Graveyard shift at Naval Comm Sta Philippines in San Miguel as a Tech control supervisor. I was maintaining a full period multiplex communication with the HMAS Melbourne and several other ships. The operator on the Melbourne was typing and sending me new frequencies when all of a sudden he quit typing. I noticed the crypto light come on a couple minutes later and he typed “Blimey mate, I think we just ran over one of your Tin Can’s” .. Rest is history.

44 posted on 09/24/2011 2:09:18 AM PDT by spottedal
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To: Chess77Steve; GATOR NAVY; SJackson; Doohickey; CPOSharky
You know, with just a post or two every 6 months, we could keep this thread going for years...
15 posted on 08/12/2003 9:02:59 PM CDT by GATOR NAVY

Four and counting :>)

Eight and counting. 8<)

45 posted on 09/24/2011 2:42:55 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I had no idea when I wrote that that it would actually happen. Amazing.

46 posted on 09/24/2011 9:43:21 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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Having just seen 11-11-11 go by, I was 18 years old at the time serving as Corpsman on the USS Bronstein, if I recall GQ sounded at 3:15 AM, full moon, calm sea, very little was reported on this. I’m glad there were a few survivors, at the time we had heard everyone in the forward compartment had been lost.
The US Servicemen lost at Sea should be on the Vietnam War Memorial!

47 posted on 11/16/2011 5:10:20 PM PST by Audioplus93 (42 1/2 years ago)
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To: SJackson
Good evening.

2002, amazing how the Internet will be a repository of matter who the victor.


48 posted on 11/16/2011 5:22:36 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

My great uncle was James Wilburn Davis. He was one of the men lost on the USS Frank E Evans. Does anyone remember him?

49 posted on 05/27/2012 5:32:29 AM PDT by JShannon
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