Andrew Sullivan: WHAT U-TURN?

andrewsullivan.com ^ | 06/04/2002 | Andrew Sullivan

[dano1]

Kyoto, like W.C. Fields, is still dead.

[AshleyTodd]

The point is, if the President now implies Kyoto was OK, we might as well have elected Gore in the first place.

You said, "if". Does that mean you're not sure what the President means?

[Mo1]

The point is, if the President now implies Kyoto was OK, we might as well have elected Gore in the first place

What the heck are you talking about .. Kyoto ??

HELLO .. Bush threw that thing out the window a long time ago

[goldstategop]

I do hope its buried. Then comes along a report like this that lays the groundwork for Kyoto-like measures in the future. That's what gotten people's hackles raised here. I had expected this from an Al Gore Administration, not from one that's supposed to make the case AGAINST the enviro nazis and their junk science.

[woofie]

Hey, lets have a nice big national free for all on the merits of Global warming...It would do us a world of good to put it all out there on the table ...pro and con

[Mo1]

That's what gotten people's hackles raised here.

Oh please .. first of all this hoop la is coming from an Article in the New York Times .. need I say any more

They are just out to start trouble

As for what got people's hackles raised .. Please they have been itching for months to jump all over Bush and attack him on issues when they don't have the correct facts

If it wasn't this article .. they would find something else to attack him with .. that is a guarantee

I don't think I have ever seen such a bunch of blood thirst folks in my life

These folks don't want a President .. they want a Dictator that will get rid of every thing and every one that they don't like

Hmmmmmmmm .. I'm thinking this is just the kind of thing Our Founding Fathers want to avoid when they wrote the Constitution

But hey .. what do I know

[LloydofDSS]

I think we should start taking some pre-emptive action to reduce the chance of global warming. But I certanly don't support any government laws or regulations. Our actions should be voluntary.

Here is an example of the things I have done. 1. I sold my house 30 miles from work and moved into a small place 6 miles from work. 2. I bought a sleeping bag ($20) and no longer use heat (Southern California). 3. I installed a solar water heater. 4. I bought an e-bike and I ride it to work 4 days out of 5.

I figure I have cut my personal consumption of fuels by about 80%. I don't feel in any way deprived.

[goldstategop]

Responsible criticism is not the same as criticism that is directed out of partisan and venal motives. When we disagree with the President we do so respectfully and in the hope he will take it to heart and correct errors and lapses in his policies. Our criticism is aimed to strengthen his hand and to make sure our conservative agenda gets implemented. It is exactly the kind of feedback from the base the President should welcome. And if this viewed in some quarters as weakening him, well then those are exactly the kind of friends he doesn't need. All we ask is for the President to keep the faith both to unify the party and in the best interests of this great country's future.

[goldstategop]

I'll stick with my air conditioned home and the SUV I've had an eye on. Call it my contribution to ignoring the buzz that passes for global warming.

[Mo1]

Oh Please ... First there is nothing wrong with questioning issues .. and if that was the case then I would say go for it .. question away

However, that is not what I am seeing here the last few months

Like I said .. they just want to attack .. I am not interested in folks who's only goal is to bring down this country and try to destroy it because they are trigger happy to start another revolutionary war

Yep .. lets start killing fellow american's that's the answer ..

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves

[LloydofDSS]

I don't believe the global warming scare either, but there is more than one reason to cut down on fuels. Dependancy on Arab nations, Air pollution, and the ability of our grandchildren to have enough of this precious resource.

Actually I feel like an idiot when I am in a 3000 pound monster to transport my 190 pound body.

[goldstategop]

Rest assured I'm not one of those who wants to see it happen. And in any event my friend, whatever the differences amongst us are, let's not forget to direct our fire at the true liberal enemy.

[nopardons]

Rush is a lazy, arrogant clod, who is chasing away his " thinking " , well informed listeners, and propogandizing the gullible, who he will lose in a trice, once ( and he SHALL ! ) starts warming up the choir to re-elect Bush in 2004.

Rush hasn't done much, other than to read FR, quote a lot of posters ( without attribution !) and thread topics, talk about his wealth, his pals, his golf game,football , and what he's selling, for many years now. Even during the height of the Clinton scandals, he quite often NEVER talked about the immediate events.

[goldstategop]

I do agree of course for conservation for entirely positive reasons such as those you mentioned. In the same vein I don't apologize for our standard of living or wanting to make the lives of millions of others all over the world even better. Its what I consider to be best about America.

[nopardons]

No, you just want something to bash Bush about. Sullivan is correct, but you don't give a damn about facts !

[america-rules]

How has he folded if his policy is to do nothing !

The earht is warming and it's a fact but why is the question?

"That Rush would follow, based on what he states was an article on the front page of Monday's New York Times, is discouraging."

Rush is quoting the NY Times alot lately and basing what they say as fact. He's being played like a fiddle by the left and so are many here on FR! If it makes your case fine but don't get a hard on too fast because it won't last long.... !

[nopardons]

HELLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... President Bush is NOT about to sign the Kyoto Treaty ! This is spin, pure and simple, by the N.Y. Times, Drudge out for sensationalism, and Rush being an idiot; still hunting for ratings, by bashing Bush.

[goldstategop]

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I seem to be under the impression that a number of FR posters were disappointed with Rush cause they thought he sucked up to President Bush and acted like his yes man. Now here we have other FR posters who are disappointed Rush isn't sucking up to President Bush and defending him with all the blind loyalty of a true toady. Which Rush is it? It seems he can't please all the folks all of the time. And that is probably why he is still listened to by a large audience out there, due to the perception he's his own man and that his thoughts are his own.

[Mo1]

Rest assured I'm not one of those who wants to see it happen. And in any event my friend, whatever the differences amongst us are, let's not forget to direct our fire at the true liberal enemy.

Ok .. and yes let us not forget on the real enemy is

[goldstategop]

If Rush points out when Bush is wrong, he's bashing him now? Oh dear me. And here I was thinking this same Rush was praised to heaven when he defended the President!