The Rudy Team Has 04 Dream: Bush-Giuliani

New York Observer ^ | 06/05/2002 | Greg Sargent and Josh Benson

[Arthur McGowan]

Giuliani is pro-abortion. Therefore, he is a corrupt, violent person, with no sense of justice, and no principles. Corrupt, violent, unjust individuals do not belong in public office. An electorate that puts corrupt, violent, unjust people in office are asking for tyranny.

[newwahoo]

"Yeah, George sure looked like Rudy' waterboy after September 11. George is also spends like a fifteen year old with a charge card (repeating myself for the 20th time), while Giuliani at least kept spending in line, by New York standards anyway."

What bugs me about Pataki is that he is dealing with a statewide electorate that skews far more to the right than NYC does. he doesn't really have an excuse. For Giuliani, cutting spending was never going to happen. With this being such a lib bastion all he could do was ensure that the money got spent in a less harmful way then others would have done.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

The only thing I liked about Giuliani was his tough stance on crime. He did have some success in bringing the crime rate down in the city if the stories in the papers are true. His softness on illegal aliens is what I'm opposed to, though Pataki is even worse. I came up with this on Giuliani's position regarding gun rights. Can't say I support his idea of licensing guns either.

The closest thing to a conservative NY has had in recent years was Senator Alphonse D'Amato, and the NY and national press were forever on his back for daring to be so. One reason why the Northeast is liberal lala land. Politicians up here have very little backbone.

[1Old Pro]

I think Rudy is contemplating the 2008 Presidential election and would need to prove himself as VP in order to be a viable candidate in 2008. VP is usually stepping stone to Presidency unless you come from Arkansas LOL.

You may be correct. He can relax for 4 years getting ready for primetime. Meanwhile, we could replace Powell with Cheney: win-win

[Clemenza]

What bugs me about Pataki is that he is dealing with a statewide electorate that skews far more to the right than NYC does.

Well, Long Island has been skewing towards the left as of late and upstate has been losing population. Nevertheless, that is no excuse for Pataki to give in to every Democratic constituency in the state.

[1Old Pro]

If anything, let him run against Schumer in 2004.

I could easily support that idea.

[Clemenza]

The closest thing to a conservative NY has had in recent years was Senator Alphonse D'Amato, and the NY and national press were forever on his back for daring to be so.

Al was also obnoxious and a walking ethnic stereotype who was replace by an even more obnoxious ethnic stereotype by the name of Chuck Schumer.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Tenant not Mueller.

[Reaganwuzthebest]

LOL. Alphonse was the Jesse Helms of NY. But he could be counted on to make the right vote in the Senate when Reagan needed it.

[Clemenza]

Pataki is far more conservative than Rudy.

Not really. As Deroy Murdock has pointed out, spending rose at a greater rate under King George's watch than under Cuomo. Additionally, Pataki is a gun grabber who has dared share the stage with the EVIL SHREW Carolyn McCarthy (as has Rudy) and more recently appeared at a gala for the Gay Men's Health Crisis Center.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Buchanan-Non-entity '00- Idiots forever!!!

[newwahoo]

Yeah, that healthcare worker raise was nutty. Does he really think that Rivera's endorsement is going to get all those hardcore lefties to vote for him? The rank and file are just going to pocket the billions and vote dem. We're not talking about a union whose membership tends to think right-of-center like the cops or firemen.

We needed that money for other things, especially given our current situation.

[The KG9 Kid]

"... Give him Mueller's job."

Ta-ding!

That was so brilliant we should have locked this thread after your post.

[Charles Henrickson]

No to Giuliani. He is a pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, open adulterer, and a lefty in many other respects as well. Only good points: he's tough on crime and did a good job managing things in his city on September 11 and thereafter.

I have voted for the Republican ticket in every presidential election since '72 (when I first could vote). I will never vote for a ticket that has a pro-abort on it. I am not alone.

[Lower55]

I think Cheney's health is fine.

But...

Why does everyone up in Washington seem to have " one foot in the grave"?

[Reaganwuzthebest]

Why does everyone up in Washington seem to have " one foot in the grave"?

It only seems to be Republicans not doing well like Helms, Cheney, Strom Thurmond, although he's 100 years old. Democrats like Ted Kennedy will be around forever it seems, even when they drink like a fish (and swim like one too).

[Outraged At FLA]

Guiliani and Pataka are both liberal Republicans if there is such a thing. Living in NY, under Pataki's crown, I have seen, cig taxes go up, gun legislation go up, spending go up, property taxes go up, tolls go up, state funded health care, and no measureable difference in the welfare roles.

Well, I am trying to think of something conservative that Pataki has done and I cannot quite think of anything. The fact is, you might as well vote for a Dem in NY, at least you will not be lying to yourself. For me, I guess I will finally vote on a third party candidate in NY so at least I can say I tried, and maybe get a better nights sleep.

Normally, I do not advocate voting third party as it generally hurts conservatives, but seeing as the outcome will not be any different if I vote Rep, or Dem, in NY, what the hell.

Guiliani had a better record, though still a liberal. He did reduce crime, and did get rid of the filth in the square. Other than that, he was basically on the lib bandwagon. The only real thing I liked better about him was that what he said he was going to do, he would do. I didn't agree with him much of the time, but he didn't hide his beliefs like Pataki.

[cinFLA]

I don't think Cheney will leave.

Cheney is a team player. He has always known that they would need another VP inorder to run for president in 2008. My pick was RG months ago on this site.

[Redbob]

I got yer "Dream Ticket" for '04:

Cheney/Bush!

[Redbob]

Cheney's Republican.
Giuliani is just another Eastern Liberal RINO a la Christy Whitman or Connecticut's Chrissy Shays.