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A Few Questions For Die-Hard Bush Supporters
Toogood Reports ^ | June 5, 2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 06/05/2002 1:20:54 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

Let me just say up front that I am not addressing you if you voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and regret it. The same goes for those of you who voted for Bush and insist on holding his feet to the fire on the important issues. If, however, you cast your vote for Bush, still believe he is the only hope for America and intend to support every move he makes without so much as a raised eyebrow, this is for you.

It has been nearly a year-and-a-half since George W. Bush, the savior of conservatism, descended from on high to begin his earthly reign in Washington, D.C. Republicans assured us that he would restore integrity to the White House and would be a marked improvement over the promiscuous Bill Clinton. Well, in all honesty, that could have been accomplished by electing a neutered chimp to the office of president.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush the man proved to be a nice break from Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Unlike Gore, Bush had a more likable...well, he actually had a personality. He also possessed the unique ability to address the American people without the smug and condescending vibe Clinton exuded. However, when it came to policy, George W. Bush the candidate failed to demonstrate that he would govern any differently than his Democrat counterparts.

Still, throughout the campaign, there was a loyal group of Bush supporters who would take offense at even the slightest implication that their candidate was anything but a staunch conservative. Even now, they continue to stand by their man, and I find this to be rather perplexing.

Perhaps those who have pledged their undying allegiance to President Bush could answer a few questions for me, in no particular order of course:

•  How would you have reacted if Bill Clinton had signed the Patriot Act into law and given the government sweeping new surveillance powers?

•  Would you have criticized a Democrat president for signing a $26 billion education-spending bill?

•  Did you feel betrayed when Bush signed Campaign Finance Reform into law?

•  What do you think about Bush's position on granting amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants?

•  Would you have tolerated a Democrat proposal for federally funded faith-based initiatives?

•  What would your reaction have been if a Democrat had said, "No one should have to pay more than a third of their income to the federal government"?

•  What do you think about the president's granting of Permanent Most Favored Nation status to China?

•  What's the difference between Bush and the Democrats on the issue of farm subsidies?

•  How would you react if a Democrat president sent a $2.13 trillion budget to Congress?

•  Would you have stood for a Democrat saying "No!" to arming airline pilots?

•  What would your reaction have been if a Democrat had pushed for the federalization of airport security?

•  Are you willing to stand by and let the Bush administration cater to the environmentalists on the global warming issue?

•  What do you think about Bush's call for a Patient's Bill of Rights?

•  What one thing has Bush done that sets him apart from the Democrats?

•  It's been a year-and-a-half since Bush took office. When do we start to see a decrease in the size and scope of government? For that matter, when do we start to see even a remote indication that this administration will think about doing anything to try to limit the federal government?

This list is by no means exhaustive, but I would really be interested in some answers. Perhaps it would help shed some light on the mindset of modern compassionate conservatives.

The fact that a Republican president is governing like a Democrat isn't surprising. What's amazing to me is that there are a few select Bush supporters out there who cannot—or will not—utter one word of criticism against their president for any reason. In their minds this man is the epitome of conservatism, and to question his actions would be to question their own beliefs and cause them to wonder why they supported him in the first place.

The way I see it there can only be two explanations for this: 1) these people really and truly believe in what Bush is doing, or 2) they do not wish to face up to the real reason they voted for him — he was simply a slightly more palatable choice than Al Gore.



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1 posted on 06/05/2002 1:20:54 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
FLAME SUIT TOGGLE ON!
2 posted on 06/05/2002 1:24:42 PM PDT by Registered
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The same goes for those of you who voted for Bush and insist on holding his feet to the fire on the important issues

Whew! That's a relief. I'll go get my popcorn now...

3 posted on 06/05/2002 1:27:32 PM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: Stand Watch Listen; Registered
"What one thing has Bush done that sets him apart from the Democrats?"

GWB killed the Kyoto Treaty on Global Warming, for one.

GWB pulled the U.S. out of the CCCP-U.S. ABM Treaty, for another.

GWB backed and got our National Missile Defense program funded.

GWB Killed the International Criminal Court.

GWB repealed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off electricity production in California and causing electricity rates to spike.

GWB repealed OSHA's new ergonomic regulations that were about to put every home-based business in America out of commission.

GWB appointed Ashcroft and Ted Olsen, who just wrote to the Supreme Court that the 2nd Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right, not the "collective right" that liberals have maintained for decades.

GWB signed the bill into law that gives pilots the right to arm themselves with firearms, a pleasant pro-gun victory on a national level (currently being obstructed by a DOT bureaucrat).

GWB killed the Left-Wing ABA's role in vetting federal judges for Congress.

GWB instituted the first top-down review of our military in years, which concluded (prior to 9/11), that asymmetric attacks were our biggest future threat.

GWB killed the $11 Billion Crusader artillery boondoggle.

GWB killed federal funding of foreign "family planning" activities.

GWB ordered the Justice Department to finally enforce the SCOTUS Beck decision, giving union workers the right to recover any of their union dues that are used for political purposes with which they disagree.

Frankly, if you aren't aware of all that GWB has done to advance the Conservative movement (including implementing steel tariffs in order to encourage European nationalism via trade wars), then you simply aren't Conservative.

Only a liberal could be so blind as to not realize what all GWB has done for our cause (oh, did I mention that GWB got taxes cut twice, once for individuals and another for businesses).

4 posted on 06/05/2002 1:28:18 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Stand Watch Listen
keep bumpin' to the top
5 posted on 06/05/2002 1:28:57 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Stand Watch Listen
What one thing has Bush done that sets him apart from the Democrats?

He has yet to engage in any activity that would land an ordinary citizen in prison.

Case closed.

6 posted on 06/05/2002 1:29:13 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you will be flamed like the fire of a thousand suns and you won't get any answers for your trouble to boot. I applaud your effort.
7 posted on 06/05/2002 1:29:31 PM PDT by garv
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To: Registered
lol...isn't that the truth.

But if it's worthy of debate on this forum I post them. Emperor's new clothes or not.

I voted for President Bush, I support him. Yet, for me, there does exist a odd apprehension where this country, our Government is headed.

8 posted on 06/05/2002 1:30:43 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Stand Watch Listen said: "...he was simply a slightly more palatable choice than Al Gore."

Here's your problem right here. The conservative I wish was in the White House is a 100. Bush is a 40. Gore is a minus 100.

We are stuck with the fact that MORE people voted for Gore than Bush. That is a sad statement about what the American people want and will tolerate. Kalifornia has Feinstein and Boxer as Senators. That is one of the most telling indicators of just how screwed up the situation is.

If we had the Supreme Court that we have never had in my lifetime, then much of what has been legislated would have been struck down as being outside the reach of Congress.

The only way to achieve that Supreme Court is to win back the Senate majority by more than just a single vote and place Constitutionalists on the Court. ( Young ones in good health who have family histories of living into their late nineties. )

9 posted on 06/05/2002 1:30:58 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Ask yourself why Bush flat out lied by saying immediately after 9/11 " Islam means peace" this was a flat out lie, Islam translated from arabic means submission, wouldnt we have been happy to know this was he worried about scattered mosque burnings? dead Arabs in the streets? I submit to you that the Muslim religion and its adherents mean to see all progressive societies dead! Moderate muslims dont exist if they claim to be moderate its a lie my proof is in their own terrorist training manual the Koran!
10 posted on 06/05/2002 1:32:31 PM PDT by claptrap
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To: Southack
Bump your #4.
11 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:03 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Stand Watch Listen
What on earth are you trying to do? The next thing you and Rush will do is call for GWB`s impeachment. Why did you ignore the tax cut,9/11, and Bushs poll numbers? You have an obvious agenda and it is distructive. Time for you to go back to your rat buddies.
12 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:09 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: garv
That "thud" we just heard was the limb you went out on that just fell off the tree. See post #4.
13 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:09 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Southack
So talk about immigration, borders, sovereignty, FOX.
14 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:37 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Stand Watch Listen
All good points, except I'm confused by this one:

What would your reaction have been if a Democrat had said, "No one should have to pay more than a third of their income to the federal government"?
15 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:42 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Lee R. Shelton IV, I have a question for you: What have you done to convince voters to take up the conservative cause?
16 posted on 06/05/2002 1:33:42 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: William Tell
Well put.

America didn't get into this condition overnight.

We're not going to get OUT of this condition overnight.

This is a long-term project, and it's going to require a lot of patience, hard work, and an understanding of tactics.

17 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:06 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Stand Watch Listen
But he's soooo stealing issues from the liberals!!!
18 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:10 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: truthkeeper
This should be interesting!

Popcorn coming up!

g

19 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:35 PM PDT by Geezerette
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To: Stand Watch Listen
• What do you think about Bush's position on granting amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants?

This is the worst offense. Al Gore wouldn't even have tried that one because he knew that Conservatives would have shot him down. And now a 'conservative' does just that.

20 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:50 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: garv
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you will be flamed like the fire of a thousand suns and you won't get any answers for your trouble to boot. I applaud your ef
lol....going out on a limb...lol

There are many posters on this forum that I respect and applaud their activism, their loyalty and defend their positions in a most articulate manner. Yet, the 'my way or the highway', or 'better than Gore' way of thinking leaves me apprehesive.

21 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:51 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: rdb3
You think he's going to try anything other than cannibalizing from the GOP vote?
22 posted on 06/05/2002 1:36:58 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"What one thing has Bush done that sets him apart from the Democrats?"

Or on the other hand what hasn't he done that makes him different from the Clintoncrats? Like:

Not bombing pharmacuetical factories.

Not bald-faced lying to the country.

Not disgracing the White House with his sex escapades.

Not allowing China to walk off with the kitchen sink.

Gimmee a break!

23 posted on 06/05/2002 1:37:41 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Descriptions like "conservative" and "liberal" lost their appeal for me a few years ago. My criteria for scrutinizing a public servant boils down only to this: does the man (or woman) believe that we are free by the grace of God, or by the grace of other men (i.e. the state).

If the person cannot/does not answer this aloud, there are other indications on their true stance: does this person act in a way that empowers individuals, or the state?

Per that, President Bush does not strike me as anything other than a mediocre man in extaordinary times. He could be extraordinary himself, and I believe God has given him that potential (just as He gives all of us that potential), but as it stands he's trapped in too much of this world: appeasement for "political convenience", trying to stay safe in his comfort zone and out of real harm's way... a Winston Churchill he is not.

But he could be... if he wants it.

24 posted on 06/05/2002 1:38:21 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Stand Watch Listen
These Bush-is-a-dem articles are so boring and deceptive....not to mention poorly written.
25 posted on 06/05/2002 1:41:43 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Clara Lou
Really? Did #4 answer any of SWL's specific questions or only the more general one?
26 posted on 06/05/2002 1:43:14 PM PDT by garv
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To: bybybill
First of all, I did not write this editorial. I posted it for debate/discussion on this forum. I have a 4 1/2 year posting history on FR. Read and heed, learn and discern.
27 posted on 06/05/2002 1:44:24 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Southack
Right on!
28 posted on 06/05/2002 1:44:26 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: claptrap
Ask yourself why Bush flat out lied by saying immediately after 9/11 " Islam means peace"

Because he didn't want us to have to go to war with the entire Islamic world. He was about to send troops into Muslim nations in order to go after terrorists and didn't want them all shot on sight. What would you have done and how many American lives would YOU have sacrificed in order to please a couple dozen armchair generals?

29 posted on 06/05/2002 1:44:58 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: bybybill
I think the standard by which we judge public officials should be whether their actions overall increase or decrease freedom. Saying that Gore would have been worse is meaningless - we have no idea what Gore would have done or been able to do. Remember, we had Clinton, but it wasn't a total disaster. Clinton tried pushing health care and tax increases, and it brings Republicans into congress instead. Clinton was also forced to deal with the Republicans in passing welfare reform, capital gains tax cuts, etc. I'm not saying Clinton was good, but you shouldn't assume that a Democrat will automatically be able to implement a socialist agenda, any more than Bush is able to implement a conservative one. So far, I would say that Bush overall has not advanced freedom in this country, according to my own standards. Actually, instead of arguing about what Bush has and hasn't done, which we've all heard rehashed hundreds of times here on FR, I think we should argue about what standard we should use to judge the President. What do you think?
30 posted on 06/05/2002 1:45:07 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: rdb3
Lee R. Shelton IV, I have a question for you: What have you done to convince voters to take up the conservative cause?

He is the type that likes to complain about everything and do nothing. He would rather circle the wagons and fire inward than fire out at the Democrats.

31 posted on 06/05/2002 1:45:27 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Sorry, my mistake
32 posted on 06/05/2002 1:45:46 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: Poohbah; William Tell
Amen. But try and point that out to some people and...
34 posted on 06/05/2002 1:46:51 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: billybudd
we have no idea what Gore would have done

I think that we know exactly what President Gore would have done.

35 posted on 06/05/2002 1:46:57 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: McGavin999
Ask yourself why Bush flat out lied by saying immediately after 9/11 " Islam means peace"

Because he didn't want us to have to go to war with the entire Islamic world. He was about to send troops into Muslim nations in order to go after terrorists and didn't want them all shot on sight. What would you have done and how many American lives would YOU have sacrificed in order to please a couple dozen armchair generals?

Perfect name for the guy: "claptrap."

The Bush-bashing, keyboard-commandoing, pud-pounding Freeper Fringe can be relied on to not understand the issues you raised.

36 posted on 06/05/2002 1:47:37 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: rdb3
Love this question, rdb3! You never fail to ask just the right question to get to the heart of the matter.
37 posted on 06/05/2002 1:47:44 PM PDT by FRlurker
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To: billybudd
Interesting points. I often wonder how much different the U.S. would have been if Bush Sr. had won in 1992 and Dole had won in 1996. I've often thought that on a national scale, things tend to move in a certain direction regardless of who is in the White House.
38 posted on 06/05/2002 1:47:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Southack
GWB kicked butt in Afghanistan
GWB threats against Iraq is real
GWB would not repeat the "3 no's" in China
GWB backs Taiwan
GWB is shifting US military thinking away from Europe and toward Asia (and against China)
GWB has improved US security via relations with Japan, Australia, Singapore, Australia and South Korea.
GWB is trying to rescue US missionaries in the Philippines

Sure, there are things I wish GWB had done differently. There were things his father and even Ronald Reagan could have done better. It is stupid to say that unless you agree 100% with GWB then he has betrayed us. The ONLY way to get 100% agreement with the President's policies is if you were President yourself.

39 posted on 06/05/2002 1:48:23 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: bybybill;Stand Watch Listen
Why did you ignore the tax cut,9/11, and Bushs poll numbers? You have an obvious agenda and it is distructive.

You can't give blind support to Bush, either. The "Patriot Act" is exceptionally dangerous. Most of the questions posed by SWL beg to be asked and answered. Bush merely happens to better than the alternative.

I voted for "Bush Senior", then voted for Perot when presented with the second opportunity. I will vote against "Bush Junior" if he fails to fortify the Constitution. If Bush fails to clean up the "airport security" mess, then I will consider him a failed President. If he fails to attempt to clean up the liberal indoctrination crap in our public schools, such as the "zero tolerence" stupidity and the anti-Constitutional conditioning, then I will consider him a failed President. If he fails to address the perversion of the First Amendment as now used to foster religous and moral persecution, I will consider him a failed President.

There are extremely important issues before the Bush Presidency ... I see a timid response to most. The flip-flop regarding the ficticious global warming was not impressive.

Wake up and think. Don't endorse "your man" blindly like the Clintonites endorsed "thiers".

40 posted on 06/05/2002 1:49:15 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: hchutch;William Tell
Our system of government was not designed to provide for an instant 180-degree turn in policy. Read the Constitution, and consider how the courts, legislature, and executive interact.
41 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:01 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: ex con
I didn't post that quote. But thanks anyway.
42 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:08 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Southack
Great list. Let me add another:

GWB's administration is the first to come out and take the un-equivocal position the Second Amendment protect the the right of the individual to Keep And Bear Arms. Thereby ensuring that the measures taken to fight terrorism will be kept in check in the way intended by the founders.

I would also like to add that in times of war, the federal government has always assumed additional powers, only to return them to the people when the war is over.

And before you slam Bush's budget compromises, go take a look at the one's Reagan made with the Dems. And remember that, just as they did then, the Dems are failing to live up to the agreements they made in the compromise.

How soon we forget.

43 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:14 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Stand Watch Listen
All of the questions in the post are certainly provocative, and I'd be hard-pressed to defend a lot of what Bush has done IF that was all he'd done.

All presidencies must be judged in context, and his is no different. Just as I don't give Clinton credit for conservative moves he had to make due to his '94 catastrophe, I will refrain from thinking Bush has left the reservation for now. Now if he gets GOP majorities in both houses this year and doesn't veer starboard, I'll try to yell as loud as anyone.

44 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:29 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: afuturegovernor
He is the type that likes to complain about everything and do nothing.

This is precisely why it is much easier to look effective when you are on the outside looking in (as the Republicans in Congress were before 1994). When you function as an opposition party, people tend to overlook the fact that in the midst of all your accurate criticism of the party in power, you rarely offer meaningful, workable alternatives.

45 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:41 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I hope that you're wearing your NOMEX knickers!
46 posted on 06/05/2002 1:50:52 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: ex con
without the profanity I direct at the gun law loving POS AG we have

What on earth are you talking about? The US Justice Department has just taken the most pro-gun position on the meaning of Second Amendment in most of our life times.

47 posted on 06/05/2002 1:51:22 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: Registered
LOL...
49 posted on 06/05/2002 1:52:41 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Southack
The dam of reality is leaking, you need more fingers to plug all the holes.
50 posted on 06/05/2002 1:54:35 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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