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A SICKING TALE OF THE UNION MENTALITY AT WORK
Neil Boortz Website ^ | today | Neil Boortz

Posted on 06/06/2002 5:39:12 AM PDT by Rodney King

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To: perotista
First of all, I believe any honest working man or woman in America should make a living wage.

OK, how much is this living wage?

61 posted on 06/06/2002 7:51:28 AM PDT by rockinonritalin
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To: Frank Grimes
Perotista needs to spend an hour after school cleaning erasers and then write a paper on the value of that work.
62 posted on 06/06/2002 7:52:13 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: perotista
Presuming that you don't want people starving to death, I ask you (and the others here)point blank: do you want to pay them a living wage (either through government regulations or union bullying), or do you want to pay higher taxes to supplement their income? There's really no inbetween here, except to let them starve on the streets. Is that your solution?

You are missing what I said earlier. EMPLOYERS WILL NOT PAY EMLPOYEES MORE THAN THEY ARE WORTH. End of story.

63 posted on 06/06/2002 7:52:45 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
About 5 years ago I put together a plan in which licensed contractors and volunteers could repair all of the nation's schools. I sent info to several congressman on the appropriate committee. The reception was lukewarm, I suspect, because the unions would have never stood for it. They would rather have the schools in shambles in some areas.
64 posted on 06/06/2002 7:53:14 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: cascademountaineer
Mr. Boortz has apparently never heard of using spellcheck.

Golly, now we are having a spelling contest. Because spelling is not our game, maybe we should play poker.
65 posted on 06/06/2002 7:56:50 AM PDT by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: perotista
Why only a 40 hour work week? If the market does not provide a "living wage" for 40 hours on the job, then an individual must work more than 40 hours. The 40 hour work week is a union invention that is now presented as some right. It is not. It is a choice.
66 posted on 06/06/2002 7:57:47 AM PDT by rockinonritalin
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To: perotista
I'm hearing a lot about "people starving on the streets", and I can't think of a single time in American history, even before the existing wage laws or the rise of the unions, that Americans starved. You just can't imagine that people (other than yourself) will make rational decisions, so they have to be told how much to pay and how much to accept for the job they do.
67 posted on 06/06/2002 7:58:24 AM PDT by m1911
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To: perotista
Wasn't it Henry Ford who said that it was important that his workers be able to afford to buy his cars?

Ahhh. Great example. Even a flaming socialist like Henry eventually bends to the will of free-market capitalism.

How do you think he accomplished what he accomplished? By paying his wrench-toting monkeys $80k/yr? Or perhaps by manufacturing innovation that drove down the prices of his autos, making them affordable not just for his workers, but for middle-class Americans everywhere?

He could not have revolutionalized the auto industry and the manufacturing sector in general if he had to charge more for the Model T because his unskilled work force was making princly wages.

Capitalism at its finest.

68 posted on 06/06/2002 7:58:45 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Cuttnhorse
This thread could go on for weeks if we start telling dumb union stories.....

Like the time I was in graduate school, and we (accidentally, I swear) shorted out the electric service to our lab. Well, nearly all the flourescent tubes blew, so we were sitting around in the dark (our usual state of being, BTW). My advisor wanted to know why we weren't changing the light bulbs ourselves...

That was months after the organic division people in the lab above ours had had a slight water leak. They rained overnight into our lab in the basement. So we show up one morning to see our instruments adrift at sea. Okay, we (the other grad student and I) get a mop and start swabbing. Oh! You'd think I was taking lollipops from babies, to hear Facilities crying over us mopping our own floor...

69 posted on 06/06/2002 7:58:48 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek
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To: Rodney King
I like unions about as much as the author. It fosters non-productive, lazy, high cost, useless workers.
70 posted on 06/06/2002 8:02:31 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Palmetto
Actually, he did pay above market wages. That was a competitive business decision because he needed the workers, especially skill trades. Maintaining an auto plant is not dumb work. He paid well, but not more than the job was worth. He made money the (old) American way - slice the profit margin a little thinner per unit, and sell volume.
71 posted on 06/06/2002 8:02:44 AM PDT by m1911
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To: laredo44
This thread could go on for weeks if we start telling dumb union stories...

I knew this would happen.
I was working as an underground miner at the Atomic Test Site, at Mercury, Necvada, and was on a crew drilling and installing rock bolts. After we got the holes drilled and bolts in and torqued we had to put a plate over the hole collar and insert a 1/2-inch diameter, 6-inch long tube through the plate so we could then grout the holes. You guessed it, the pipe fitters went out on strike because the miners were doing this little task.
When I worked at Mercury, the site used to average one day per week of strike shutdown...the union goons used to laughingly refer to this as "wobling the job".

72 posted on 06/06/2002 8:04:32 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Chemist_Geek
...crying over us mopping our own floor...

Since when did Chemists learn how to mop floors??

73 posted on 06/06/2002 8:08:57 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Col. Forbin
Yeah, unions are great.
74 posted on 06/06/2002 8:09:15 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: rockinonritalin
OK, how much is this living wage?

Unfortunately, you're not going to get that answer. And, of course whatever it is, it will increase each year. The goal is simply to keep acheivers from gaining any wage advantage over the deadbeats. (in other words, socialism) In the mind of the liberal, a burger flipper with 8th grade education is equal in earning power to a steel worker which is equal to a rocket scientist.

The market ultimately sets the wages. Look at our industrial base; in many cases, we have priced ourselves out of work. We have set (through the short-sightedness of union demands) our costs so high that many manufacturing companies have found that it is cheaper to do so overseas. It isn't just wages that contribute to this; regulations, quotas, and the inability to fire deadbeats is also a major factor. Businesses are no different than most people; they aren't dumb enough to pay $30 for a $10 part.

75 posted on 06/06/2002 8:10:45 AM PDT by meyer
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To: 300winmag
No union work rule, no union "wage" was ever won. It was agreed to by management. Somewhere in the process of negotiation it was decided that agreeing to inefficient work rules was less costly, presumably in the short run, than a strike. Unfortunately the accumulation of such short-sighted decisions in basic industries, e.g. 'big steel', AMTRAK, etc. results in a 'crisis' that is 'remedied' by tax-funded bailouts and tariffs.

I don't blame the unions for demanding astronomical increases in wages and benefits and feather-bedding contract language. Even if management agrees to only half or less of the demands, the union is farther ahead than they were before. The unions are looking out for themselves, in their own short-sighted way. The bargaining agent doesn't care. He doesn't work for the company who employs the union members.

If government would just stay out of the way and let firms riddled with a history of bad decisions in contract negotiations naturally founder under the weight of their self-imposed inefficiences, maybe everyone else would get the message. Once everyone starts looking long-term, everyone will make money.

76 posted on 06/06/2002 8:17:07 AM PDT by DoctorHydrocal
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To: perotista
I do believe we need to regulate a minimum wage that is a living wage.

Wage controls destroy jobs, and take away opportunity from those who want and need it most.

77 posted on 06/06/2002 8:17:25 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: m1911
I completely agree. Paying your workers more as a choice (for whatever reason - stealing employees from other industries, employee satisfaction, performance incentives, etc.) is completely different from doing so to prevent being thrown in jail or shut down.
78 posted on 06/06/2002 8:21:03 AM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Aria
If we went back to the 50's, there wouldn't be any freerepublic, along with a whole lot of other good stuff.
79 posted on 06/06/2002 8:22:44 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: perotista
Presuming that you don't want people starving to death, I ask you (and the others here)point blank: do you want to pay them a living wage (either through government regulations or union bullying), or do you want to pay higher taxes to supplement their income? There's really no inbetween here, except to let them starve on the streets. Is that your solution?

This sounds like the same stuff we heard before Ronald Reagan made the statement that "Nobody is going to be starving in America". And, he was right; nobody did. We heard it again when the Republican congress presented a welfare reform bill to Bill Clinton (which he surprisingly signed). And yet, nobody is starving.

We have tons of illegal immigrants flooding over our borders to take on those "less than living wage" jobs that supposedly nobody wants. And, they seem to be living on them and have enough to send a few dollars back to Mexico to finance the next flood.

As far as "union goons" threatening violence to get their way, it sounds a lot like Jesse Jackson's antics. The problem here is that violence will bring on counter violence. I am a firm believer in the second amendment and the right to self defense. So send your terrorist goons over here.

Now, don't get me wrong; I have nothing against collective bargaining, but I also have nothing against people choosing to bargain for themselves as an individual. People have the right to associate freely with whomever they wish. And, if they wish to stop working, by all means let them do so. And if they wish to convince others that their cause is rightious, by all means let them do so. But the minute they threaten other people or other people's property, they are out of line. And the minute they try to prevent someone from working if they choose to do so, they are out of line.

80 posted on 06/06/2002 8:24:21 AM PDT by meyer
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