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Homeschooled teens have it all
St Paul Pioneer (de)Press ^ | 6/8/02 | NATALIE Y. MOORE

Posted on 06/08/2002 6:14:23 AM PDT by Valin

For homeschoolers, it's not hard finding a date to the prom. Got an itch for performing arts? No problem. Looking for a little pomp and circumstance? Done.

The lack of social opportunities — one of the myths of homeschooling — is not a worry for many metro-area families who have made the choice to teach their own children.

As homeschooling has shifted from emerging trend to an educational choice, resources for homeschoolers have blossomed. Homeschool students now have their own prom, graduation and theater classes. Local colleges cater to homeschooled teens with exclusive science lab classes. Co-ops arrange field trips and specialized language classes. Institutions like the YMCA open their doors for homeschool swim days.

Parents aren't left out, either.

Two statewide organizations — the Minnesota Association of Christian Home Educators and Minnesota Homeschoolers' Alliance — coordinate annual conferences and networking for parents. And bookstores offer curriculum discounts to homeschool educators.

"We're a market now," said MHA President Amy Leinen, who homeschools her three children in West St. Paul.

Indeed, they are. More than 15,000 students in Minnesota are homeschooled.

SUCCESS STORIES

Ariel Lopez, 18, who graduated Friday night, went to prom several weeks ago. Lopez, recently named a National Merit Scholar, will head off to Indiana's DePauw University in the fall.

Mother Linda Lopez said she homeschooled Ariel from the day he was born. Her son's extracurricular activities match his academic achievements: soccer, 4-H, choir, theater and photography.

"It's very antisocial to be in a class with 30 kids who are all the same," said Linda Lopez, a former school counselor.

Ariel Lopez said his daily structure is a perfect fit. He's been able to take college classes for homeschoolers and, he said, "I do enough activities outside of the home. I'm able to interact well with adults and 5-year-olds."

One of his sources of socialization has been Youth Educated at Home, which sponsored the commencement ceremony. Formed in 1988, its purpose is to provide outlets for fun to youth age 12 and older.

In any given month, 200 to 300 youth, mostly from the Twin Cities metro area, bowl, roller-skate, take hayrides or watch movies. YEAH also organizes a prom.

"It makes them feel part of a group, which I think is important for teens. It's a sense of belonging or community. That's where the socialization comes in," said Cher Baumhoefner, director of YEAH.

Often, parents feel ill-equipped to teach high-school courses to their children; many don't have backgrounds in science or foreign language. YEAH facilitates tutor groups as well as an academy that offers supplemental courses in subjects ranging from Greek to algebra.

Parents also receive coaching in how to prepare high-school transcripts and college applications.

The growth in homeschooling has prompted more targeted assistance: Last weekend, the University of St. Thomas hosted the Minnesota Catholic Home Education Conference.

Homeschooling can't match public high schools for the numbers of dances and student clubs, but homeschool parents are determined to provide their children with opportunities to be with other children.

STAGES OF LEARNING

In the basement of a South Minneapolis church, the set to "Pollyanna" hasn't been dismantled since the spring show. This space is home to Theatrix, a community theater for the homeschooled.

"We didn't expect it to be as big as it's gotten," said co-director Kira Bundlie, who has had to turn away kids at auditions.

"Pollyanna" starred 40 children — dozens more than the first play Theatrix produced. Participants do their own make-up, hair and sound effects. Bundlie, 22, said the theater serves youth ages 4 to 18 and appeals to different types of homeschool families.

Bundlie's mother started Theatrix in 1995 as a way for Kira and her younger sister to try acting when they were "unschooled," a looser form of homeschooling.

"I never felt like I didn't have any friends," Bundlie said. "Age becomes a non-issue. You're not always with kids the same age in homeschooling."

Roger Schurke, MACHE president, teaches a class at Northwestern College for parents on how to homeschool. Schurke, a former community baseball and softball coach, said parents should look to the community for socialization opportunities for their children, not the traditional school setting.

"Socialization is a non-issue. Kids aren't born in a litter. Why do we have to raise them that way?" Schurke said.

Natalie Y. Moore can be reached at nmoore@pioneerpress.com or (651) 228-5452.


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1 posted on 06/08/2002 6:14:23 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin; homeschool mama
I can't believe my eyes. A journalist who has broken through all the myths of homeschooling. Will wonders never cease?
2 posted on 06/08/2002 6:36:47 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Valin
"Socialization is a non-issue. Kids aren't born in a litter. Why do we have to raise them that way?" Schurke said.

Exactly!

I don't see why some people can't understand that there is nothing natural or necessary about herding a child with several thousand others of the same chronological age.

3 posted on 06/08/2002 6:41:06 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Valin
Once again, the market speaks. Freed from the coerced monopoly of public schools, the educational system may finally be free to actually teach children, instead of serving as collection agencies for NEA union money.

And once again, that pesky Constitution subverts the cultural cancer of the Left.

4 posted on 06/08/2002 6:44:40 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: anniegetyourgun
Could it be another sign of the end times? Or simply the broken clock theory?
5 posted on 06/08/2002 6:45:06 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
I'll go with the latter. Don't want to get my hopes up only to have them dashed by the next so-called journalist.
6 posted on 06/08/2002 6:47:47 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Valin
When I worked at a wind tunnel research laboratory I often conducted tours for homeschooled and high school kids.

The homeschooled kids were the only group that ever seemed engaged in the tour. Polite, intelligent, and obviously sociable kids.

7 posted on 06/08/2002 6:50:15 AM PDT by avg_freeper
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To: Valin
The socialization argument is a case of the tail wagging the dog.
It arrives out of day care "socializing".

The people who put their children in day care need to
justify their decision.
It is an excuse also used to justify absentee parenting.
Remember when latchkey kids were good because they learned responsibility?
The academics who publish such studies, (publish or perish),
are able to sell their conclusions to a receptice audience.
(ie I would like a gov grant to show the benefits of daycare.
vs a grant to show harm of day care)

I see parental involvment as the seperating factor between home and public schooling.
If taken to its revolutionary extreme, if public school parents
start getting involved in public school curicula
the teacher's unions are in trouble for encouraging mediocre performance.

By the way: "socializing" for what?

8 posted on 06/08/2002 6:54:04 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: 2JedisMom
ping
9 posted on 06/08/2002 7:07:01 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: thud
ping
10 posted on 06/08/2002 7:07:27 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: B Knotts
I don't see why some people can't understand that there is nothing natural or necessary about herding a child with several thousand others of the same chronological age.

How else are they gonna learn the joys of gay sex and the dangers or global warming?

11 posted on 06/08/2002 7:10:57 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Valin
When will Homeschooling families stop paying taxes to support public education?
12 posted on 06/08/2002 7:12:58 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Greeklawyer
By the way: "socializing" for what?

Exactly! Parents, you're raising your kids to be adults, not perpetual children, so what is the best way to do that? If you want your children to be mature, then most of their time should be spent with mature people whom you would want them to emulate. When my daughter babysits, she can always tell the days that the kids have been in preschool, because they are cranky, rebellious, and mean to their younger siblings. Kids in herds sink to the level of the worst kid in the group. The society of schools resemble those of maximum security prisons.

Of all the reasons to homeschool, socialization is at the top.

13 posted on 06/08/2002 7:17:02 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Greeklawyer
Well put!
14 posted on 06/08/2002 7:22:28 AM PDT by RipeforTruth
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To: Pining_4_TX
sarcasm on: Before you put you kids in daycare,
you shoul be required to watch the black and white version of
lord of the flies. :sarcasm off.
15 posted on 06/08/2002 7:27:19 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Unfortunately, probably never. Public schools have become the largest social service agency in the country. They exist to service a materialistic economic system that fosters and requires the time of both parents. Until we as a society want to make some tough choices, public schools will be society's "catch-all" for dysfunctional and non-functional families.
16 posted on 06/08/2002 7:27:56 AM PDT by Paraclete
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To: Paraclete
Eliminate teacher tenure?
17 posted on 06/08/2002 7:30:05 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
When will Homeschooling families stop paying taxes to support public education?

About 16hrs AFTER there are frost warnings in the 9th circle.

18 posted on 06/08/2002 7:31:17 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Greeklawyer
By the way: "socializing" for what?

Why, for spending their entire day in a social group of people born the same year they were, that's what.

Socializing for accepting the NEA's agenda as regards sexuality, politics, and general world view. Socializing that will help them understand how stupid and out-of-date their parents are. Socializing that will allow them to make fool use (excuse me, I meant full use!) of their NEA-approved lessons on how to put on a condom.

Socializing to encourage them they must always do their best to be like their peers, and to emulate really deep personalities -- like Britney Spears. Conform to the same kinds of dress, same kinds of behavior, etc.

Socializing that will accustom them to accept groupthink, foolishness and disdain for learning as normal and natural.

Socializing in how to have your self-esteem assaulted by a$$h0l#s on a daily basis and accept that as normal. Socializing in how we ought to punish people for "violating" the stupidest of zero-tolerance rules -- such as throwing an honor student out of high school for talking a fellow student out of a suicide attempt and retrieving her knife to take home to give to mom and dad.

After all, what better preparation could we give them for, say, political leadership? Or for service on the local school bored?

19 posted on 06/08/2002 7:39:06 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: Pining_4_TX
Parents, you're raising your kids to be adults, not perpetual children, so what is the best way to do that? If you want your children to be mature, then most of their time should be spent with mature people whom you would want them to emulate.

Stop it! You're speaking too much sense.

Makes my head hurt... 8-)

20 posted on 06/08/2002 7:41:26 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: anniegetyourgun;2jedismom
Thanks for the ping, Annie!

It's rare to find a positive article about homeschoolers. This is encouraging, although I'm certain there will be a rebuttal to this article in the newspaper soon. :o/

We're finishing our 6th year educating at home and don't regret it. It's been a wonderful and challenging experience. 7th grade begins in August. We're set and ready to roll! :o)

21 posted on 06/08/2002 8:01:40 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: spookbrat
ping!
22 posted on 06/08/2002 8:02:49 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama; Johnny Gage
Great article. Thanks for the ping. I'm so excited.

Squire Johnny, I know you don't homeschool but this is from MN, so here is your "PING". :)

23 posted on 06/08/2002 8:10:46 AM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: Valin
Why would one want to have their kids "socialized" among the amoral anyways...
24 posted on 06/08/2002 8:17:01 AM PDT by GuillermoX
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To: Valin
Bump to real education!
25 posted on 06/08/2002 8:17:20 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Greeklawyer
Eliminate teacher tenure?

1. It takes 3-4 years to get enough experience for a new teacher to really know the job and learn to deal with the many situations that come up daily. Perputally new teachers, will create chaos and experience should be valued. (Bad teachers need to be removed but that's common sense and most school districts can remove poor teachers.)

2. Who weeds out the bad home schooling parents? (Yes, there are people who have no business teaching anything to anyone remember this is a 12 year adventure and many people don't have that kind of determination!) I've seen parents who home school and produce kids who learn almost nothing after 12 years. The example I have in mind is a mom who probably works as a teacher 1 day per week and the kids play most of the time. She has too many hobies to spend time teaching her kids.

3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools. Here in California where I live the parental input is about ZERO and the administrators have very fertile ground to push their social agenda. Home schoolers who drop out rob the system of the energy to possibily clean up the mess.

26 posted on 06/08/2002 8:29:30 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"BeAllYouCanBe" intoned. . .
Eliminate teacher tenure?
Love to. But it's not likely we'll see it. I expect to see both Elvis AND all my Social Security Taxes before I see teacher tenure revoked. . .

Who weeds out the bad home schooling parents?
Who weeds out the bad teachers ??

And as for changing the school boards, and getting the Board to change things, the recent experience of Prince George's County, Maryland is instructive. A fairly conservative school board was elected, and then tried to fire the ineffective and extreme-liberal superintendent.

The Sup whined to the State of Maryland, which overturned the school board's firing, abolished the elected school board, and appointed a new one. But the Supe isn't the Supe anymore: she's now CEO of the PG County schools. . .

27 posted on 06/08/2002 8:38:23 AM PDT by Salgak
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28 posted on 06/08/2002 8:42:01 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: Salgak
The Sup whined to the State of Maryland, which overturned the school board's firing, abolished the elected school board, and appointed a new one.

This is the crux of the problem. The educational establishment is rotten to the core and it will be the challenge of a life time to root out the scum. While California is ranked 48th in the nation in test scores the average parent is not even aware of how bad the system is.

I think that if moms stayed home from work and were there at home when the kids returned from school and actually asked the kids what they learned in school today -- well, we'd clear up this whole crisis in about 5 years. The problem is not abot schools and administrators it is about parents who don't care.

29 posted on 06/08/2002 9:01:49 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: Valin
I even heard Michael Savage last night putting homeschoolers down because they are, in his mind, not socially adjusted. Okay, Michael, so are you saying that putting kids into government schools is better for them? You cannot have it both ways. And how did humanity survive before government schools? There was a time--not that long ago--when kids grew up on farms in this country and had nowhere near the social activity they have today. And I dare say that those with less social activity were a lot healthier than what we see today.
30 posted on 06/08/2002 9:12:00 AM PDT by DennisR
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"Here in California where I live the parental input is about ZERO. . ."

That just might be because those in charge of the schools do not really care about what parents say. They may say they do, but there are just too many stories circulating about that schools could care less about parents. The parents are, after all, not teachers, so what could they know about raising children?
31 posted on 06/08/2002 9:15:29 AM PDT by DennisR
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
I don't let the state clothe my children. I don't let the state feed my children. I don't let the state house my children. Why ever would I let the state educate my children!?

It is not just that the welfare schools are a mess and that they are indoctrination centers for amoral values and leftist ideaology, it is that they are a form of socialism. Socialism is evil in all of its forms.

You can clean up your welfare school program all you want. But until it is entirely privatized, it is socialism and my children and I will not participate.

32 posted on 06/08/2002 9:20:37 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: DennisR
There was a time--not that long ago--when kids grew up on farms in this country and had nowhere near the social activity they have today.

One of my best friends is 57 and was born in Poland. His parents were avid anti-communist and expelled. He was the first child in his family to graduate from high school and eventually got a masters degree. His father cried for two days. If he had been home schooled how would he have wound up because his mother never learned written English? What about the millions of immigrants do they home school too?

Savage being from New York has a sense for this facet of America -- making immigrants into Americans. I don't feel real comfortable about some Arab mom teaching her babies Jihad. I'd feel much better if they were learning to put condoms on cucumbers.

As for the farm boys, there aren't too many left anymore but we have lots of immigrants.

33 posted on 06/08/2002 9:21:59 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: DennisR
I even heard Michael Savage last night putting homeschoolers down because they are, in his mind, not socially adjusted.

I like Savage a lot but have to disagree with him here. Yesterday was our local home school associations annual BBQ. There were probably 50 kids there, all very well adjusted socially, very polite, kind, intelligent, etc. Even my own kid surprised me in his social skills. Had I known Savage's position I would have invited him to the BBQ.

34 posted on 06/08/2002 9:25:32 AM PDT by scripter
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To: Spiff
But until it is entirely privatized, it is socialism and my children and I will not participate.

My wife stayed home and didn't work even though she is a licensed teacher and had experience in the public schools. We felt her being home was the most important thing we could do for the kids.

We sent our kids to private Christian school because of our experience with public schools.

The catholic school we sent our son to started in the early 90's to become politically correct. I think you need to watch out with any school.

35 posted on 06/08/2002 9:27:38 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools.

Sorry to disagree to this reasonable viewpoint, but the ship is sinking and the time for bailing water is gone. Now is time to save as many kids as possible by getting them into the life boats of home school, charter schools, vouchers and private schoools.

Yes, it is scarier and more work than the giant luxury liner, but in the lifeboat there is a chance of survival. We don't want our kids to go down with the ship of fools who can't see the ship is going under more rapidly with each passing day.

And since the crew won't even admit the ship is sinking, I'm taking my family off the boat to avoid drowning in a sea of ignorance.

36 posted on 06/08/2002 9:33:05 AM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"If he had been home schooled how would he have wound up because his mother never learned written English?"

Are You not assuming that all other things remain equal under this premise? Let us surmise that he had not learned English because he was being homeschooled by his mother. Would that have stopped him from learning English when he was older? No. I work with plenty of immigrant engineers who I can barely understand verbally, yet their lack of language skills has proved to be but a small barrier to them. In fact, one engineer I work with came to this country not knowing English at all. His family escaped from VietNam in the 70s. His English is very poor, but he obtained an engineering degree in this country. So he apparently learned to read, write, and speak English.
37 posted on 06/08/2002 9:36:13 AM PDT by DennisR
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To: Betty Jane
Amen!
38 posted on 06/08/2002 9:36:47 AM PDT by DennisR
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To: Valin
I think community colleges are helping to put more nails in the coffin of the NEA/public education system. They are offering college level courses for homeschooled students who are ready for the coursework at age 14-15.

Of course community colleges also offer remedial courses for the NEA-educated public high school graduates.

39 posted on 06/08/2002 9:44:19 AM PDT by glockmeister40
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To: *Homeschool_list;madfly;GovernmentShrinker
Bump list
40 posted on 06/08/2002 10:25:36 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Free the USA, 2Jedismom
Bump for homeschooled teens
41 posted on 06/08/2002 1:00:14 PM PDT by madfly
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To: B Knotts
"....nothing necessary or natural about herding children together with several thousand others.."

This bears repeating over and over again. Folks talk about public schools like that is the way that its always been done. In reality, public schools are only about a century old. For thousands of years, people schooled their children at home.

The public school system grew out of the application of socialist political philosophy to eduction (the state has to do everything for everyone) and the factory method of organization typical of everything in the 19th century.

Many bad things grew out of the state control of education. First, it mushroomed into a corrupt socialist bureacracy dedicated to its own well-being regardless of the education offered. Second, it turned into a method of social control used by the same government bureacrats to mold the thinking of generations of american kids.

Also, bringing all the kids together from one region into one building (with badly outnumbered adults overseeing things) created something never before seen: modern youth culture. Kids got together and immediately formed their own dysfunctional "lord of the flies" culture...complete with gangster rap, slutty clothing, violence, teen pregnancy, and ultimately Columbine-style murder/suicide.

With home schooling, kids are moved back into an environment controlled by their families rather than one controlled by government hacks and wild youth culture.

I honestly believe that most of the pathologies we've seen in youth over the past 3 decades can be dropped on the laps of 1) media working its way into our homes 2) schools.

Both of these things brought us from "Little House on the Prarie" to Marilyn Manson in little over a century....and thats quite a fall (did Laura Ingalls Wilder have body piercings and a gothic hairdo? I don't think so)

42 posted on 06/08/2002 1:19:05 PM PDT by quebecois
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To: Valin
"Socialization is a non-issue. Kids aren't born in a litter. Why do we have to raise them that way?"

ROFLOL bump! That needs to go into a counter-arguments list somewhere, to be used every time the goobermint skool idjuts bring out the "homeschoolers miss out on socialization" argument. That is great!

43 posted on 06/08/2002 1:45:39 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
3. My opinion is that if the home schoolers would use their energy to clean up the local school boards we'd go much farther along the way to get better schools.

What would be the point of that? The whole concept of warehouse schooling is flawed; it does little good to tinker with the details.

44 posted on 06/08/2002 1:49:05 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
Warehouse schooling is especially bad for boys, who like to DO things not sit around. Of course, if a boy gets a little fidgety they can always shut him down with a little Ritalin or Luvox.

I've often thought the public schools are low security prisons. But now they are high security prisons.

45 posted on 06/08/2002 2:06:41 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: Valin
bump!
46 posted on 06/08/2002 2:19:50 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Betty Jane
Sorry to disagree to this reasonable viewpoint, but the ship is sinking and the time for bailing water is gone. Now is time to save as many kids as possible by getting them into the life boats of home school, charter schools, vouchers and private schoools.

Yes, it is scarier and more work than the giant luxury liner, but in the lifeboat there is a chance of survival. We don't want our kids to go down with the ship of fools who can't see the ship is going under more rapidly with each passing day.

And since the crew won't even admit the ship is sinking, I'm taking my family off the boat to avoid drowning in a sea of ignorance.

Your words deserved repeating.

47 posted on 06/08/2002 8:25:06 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
If he had been home schooled how would he have wound up because his mother never learned written English?

If he'd been home schooled, it's virtually certain that she would have learned to write English as well. In any event, he would have, without a doubt.

48 posted on 06/08/2002 8:27:48 PM PDT by john in missouri
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To: scripter
There were probably 50 kids there, all very well adjusted socially, very polite, kind, intelligent, etc. Even my own kid surprised me in his social skills. Had I known Savage's position I would have invited him to the BBQ.

Savage is for homeschooling young children--his point was that when children reach 12 or so they have to learn how to deal with the rude, ammoral brats in the world who dominate this planet now. He said that the wise parents would send them to the school AND be there when they came home so that they could deprogram them after the indoctrination of each day. His father did that to him and he claims that is how he learned to reason and be able to spot the inconsistencies in the liberal doctrine. You CAN overprotect your children so that they are too shocked by the real world and can't function in it--I have seen it happen to a few kids. Don't jump on me because I ADMIRE people who homeschool--I've done it myself, BUT Savage thinks facing the hordes and having to deal with them on a daily basis can make you incredibly strong--so that they can be like Savage and not be reduced to tears if someone calls them a homophobe or racist or whatever. It is not pleasant out there when you have to make a living, etc.

49 posted on 06/08/2002 9:12:36 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Betty Jane
Recently, Dr.Dobson came out against public schools, I believe.
50 posted on 06/08/2002 10:17:45 PM PDT by RipeforTruth
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