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Stocks in deepest funk 'in 30 years'
National Post ^ | June 8, 2002 | Steve Maich

Posted on 06/09/2002 2:03:56 AM PDT by sarcasm

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To: bimbo
A fool and his money are soon parted. Some fools are parted from their money more readily and easily than others.
I personally choose not to "play" despite the possibility of a "potential" payoff.
Nothing is guaranteed. Potential without actuality is still just that...potential.
JMO.
41 posted on 06/09/2002 7:55:54 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: tired&retired
Credibility is the key.

I am an engineer, but I am working on my MBA. When I took my basic accounting classes, I was impressed with the ethic of accounting and the importance of the independent audit that our instructors stressed.

Enron & AA should be case study #1 in next year's text books.

There will be no confidence in the stock markets until we can trust the financial reports on which we base or decisions.

42 posted on 06/09/2002 7:56:05 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Fox....

Accounting ethics????

Enron, Tyco, Adelphia and on and on, did not happen in an accounting vacumn. Swapping engineering for accounting is puzzling to me. Engineering, the rules are hard and fast, accounting use to be 2+2 equals 4, not anymore. Big time accounting has degenerated into nothing more than creative book keeping. Ask Arthur Andersen.

43 posted on 06/09/2002 8:03:39 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: sarcasm
Stocks are heading for the traditional valuation of 10-12 PE ratios.
These will be refered to as the good old days.
44 posted on 06/09/2002 8:06:08 AM PDT by gwynapnudd
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To: sarcasm
A stunning display of ignorance and/or duplicity by these so-called experts.

Two overwhelmingly false premises:

1This is a terrible bear market. Bullcrap. In historical terms this is just the start. Want a BEAR market? Wait till P/E ratios hit about 10 instead of 40.

2 : The economy is "recovering" so the market should be Bullish.

Duh, sorry, but there is no compelling reason to link the two.

Example: In the 16 years from October 1965 to June 1982, the economy grew tremendously. The Dow went from 960 to 811. (Buy and hold, you bet!)

Nothing has changed with the stock-hawkers. They are still trying to sell, no matter how crappy their product. (Henry Blodgett and Mary Meeker, where are you now?

45 posted on 06/09/2002 8:20:24 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Jhensy
talk to the wife

lol

Here is how I "converted" my wife.

One beautiful autumn day I convinced her to take a ride "out in the country" to a place a couple of hours away from where we lived.

It was magnificant, of course. I didn't have to say a word. She looked and oohed and aahed and.... several years later we moved there!
46 posted on 06/09/2002 8:23:04 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: cynicom
"Big time accounting has degenerated into nothing more than creative book keeping. Ask Arthur Andersen. "

The Washington politicians and accountants told us we had a 'surplus'. Bush and Gore debated who was responsible for the great economy with tax cuts and more government spending for as far as the eye could see.

In fact, we were another day older and deeper in debt. Throw in 'our mounting trade deficit helps our economy' and 'lets bomb the world, it's the only way to make peace.

Alice in Wonderland speak fom Washington makes AA and its accountants look like angels. The axis of evil for our economy is trade inbalance, budget deficits and foreign entanglements.

47 posted on 06/09/2002 8:27:19 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: cynicom
I'm not swapping Engineering for Accounting, I am pursuing a Masters Degree in business, which includes a fair amount of accounting.

Big time accounting has degenerated into nothing more than creative book keeping.

Apparently so.

There will be uneasiness in the markets until the accountants, managers and investors clean up this mess and we can trust the financial reports again.

48 posted on 06/09/2002 8:31:59 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox
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To: ex-snook
snook...

I spent my professional life with the government. It was very difficult and I never rose into supervisory ranks as I refused to join the good ole boys club. Government is not the place for a thinking person, one that is not a "team" player.

49 posted on 06/09/2002 9:00:10 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: SC Swamp Fox
Fox...

Good for you.

50 posted on 06/09/2002 9:02:02 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: philman_36
The difference is you can make money on a loser...
51 posted on 06/09/2002 9:32:53 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: sarcasm
All this talk on stocks and losers.

It seems like the good times are over for much of the equities markets,... unless one is investing in gold/silver mining stocks or certain other isolated areas.

The next boom is in commodities. They have been in a bear market for years. Now it is time for wise investors to move there and stop trying to recreate the .com Boom that ended in March, 2002. They will come back, eventually, but will probably take years to do so. In the meantime, put your money where it will do some good.

52 posted on 06/09/2002 9:52:49 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty
It seems like the good times are over for much of the equities markets,..

Now I've got to disagree here...

Maybe the "good old days" are gone for those who have lately crashed and burned, however for those of us who had no faith during the bubble it seems that there may now be some opportunities opening up - certainly in shortselling if nowhere else...

53 posted on 06/09/2002 11:53:27 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke
How low can stocks go?

Think about how much most would be worth if the price was only dupported by dividend payments.

Real low.

54 posted on 06/09/2002 2:29:02 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Huck
Thanks for your insight. You are sure correct about the lower wages. WHen I started this job..they started me exactly the same rate they started some of my fellow peers 6 years earlier!! Same job. My co-worker was as shocked as much as I was. He is making $20,000 more than me after 7 years...and after I told him what they paid me (same work..but he has more experience now ..of course) he now feels he is in more jeopardy of losing his job than I am. He was so surprised....they can hire 2 of me for one of him. But...what do employers go for??.....cheaper labor....or the experienced employee. I am anxious to see what they do. I have the least salary in the dept..and of course know the least...but I work harder than at least 50% of them that have more knowledge and much higher salaries. Course, my boss is close to the old timers now (the ones she's worked with for quite a few yrs. now...so that might make a differnece too.) My bet is they keep the more experienced employee(and friends) and get rid of the less experienced ones (me). Well..I'll know this week. Out of about 300 of us....we expect at least 50 to be let go. I never got layed off before.....I have a feeling it's gonna suck. :|

And the paper/internet is NULL of JObs in my field! Maybe I will be a Walmart Greeter until things get better..hahaha

55 posted on 06/09/2002 3:22:30 PM PDT by Sungirl
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To: The Duke
there may now be some opportunities opening up - certainly in shortselling if nowhere else...

No argument here. There are lots of tremendous opportunities, and if you have a very stong stomach, short-selling is at the top of the list.

As for me, I'll go long in unhedged gold stocks and watch the money roll in while everybody else buys WorldCom and Nextel while hoping, just hoping, for that comeback to the Good Old Glory Days of the late 90's! Been there. Done that. Not doing that no more despite what the sages on CNBC say....

56 posted on 06/09/2002 3:35:06 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Sungirl
Watch for the signs if you still get regular boss visits,invited to meetings,introduced to new faces,consulted and given feedback your probably ok,most people get laid off because they didn't move when the company did,and read the signs
57 posted on 06/09/2002 3:46:41 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Sungirl
Good luck.
58 posted on 06/09/2002 4:19:46 PM PDT by Huck
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