"Cardinal To Be Named Later" will be named 6/12/02 by NYTimes

Friends | 6/11/02 | ninenot

[ninenot]

The New York Times will name the heretofore anonymous Catholic Cardinal and will substantiate its story that the Cardinal is a homosexual.

The NYPost's 'Page Six' has run a short item about the Cardinal, and O'Reilly of Fox News has mentioned the potential outing, as well.

The Times' story will run one day before the opening of the summer Bishop's Conference meeting in Dallas.

It is further related to me that the press, already assembled (a large quantity) in Dallas, has been asking a lot of questions about the late Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.

[ninenot]

We shall see.

[Jen]

Let's go FReepers!
It's FReepathon time!

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[Types_with_Fist]

The Times' story will run one day before the opening of the summer Bishop's Conference meeting in Dallas

That starts Thursday. Shouldn't the story be out tonight sometime?

[marshmallow]

Bernardin's Boys

[DWSUWF]

The church must purge itself of the damnable queers.

Anything that pushes them in that direction has a positive aspect.

[Trust but Verify]

I think a bigger story would be if there was a heterosexual Cardinal!

[aculeus]

Will the Times now report the names of all the uncloseted homosexuals now holding so many important positions at the paper?

All together now: "I don't think so."

[al-andalus]

I think there is one.

[LenS]

Who says there are closeted gays at the NY Times? From what I gather, they're all way out in the open.

The correct question is whether the closeted heterosexuals at the Times will be outed. *g*

[DWSUWF]

"...Will the Times now report the names of all the uncloseted homosexuals now holding so many important positions at the paper?..."

LOL!

Good point!

And you know those homos have their panties in a wad about this 'pandering' to 'homophobia' by the paper...

I can hear the butt-rangers being placated by their political officers as we speak...

"Bear with us comrades, before we can defeat the prejudice your people have suffered we must first deal with these Catholics..."

[ninenot]

Will the Times now report the names of all the uncloseted homosexuals now holding so many important positions at the paper?

That would imply that "DOG BITES MAN" is a news story.

We know the agenda of the Times/Post/CNNABCNBCCBS. It just fries their eggs that the Church can demand celibacy (and mostly get it), making their theory that 'sex equals life' not quite perfect.

[AD from SpringBay]

And he's out!

[Cicero]

Interesting. It has always seemed to me that although bishops like Weakland were more open in their liberal dissent, the single most malign influence on the Catholic Church was Joseph Bernardin. He was very, very subtle and smart, and he used others to get his way and to front for him instead of speaking openly. He was almost single-handedly responsible for manipulating the American bishops when they might have done something useful in opposition to the Roe v. Wade decision, with his insidious "seamless garment" argument. He gave the so-called Catholic politicians their original license to vote for abortion.

I am sorry to see the Church subjected to such ridicule and abuse by the press, but if the bishops won't do their job, then there is no other way.

I am seldom grateful to the New York Times, but I will be very grateful if they manage to out another of these traitors to their faith and get him thrown out of office. Although it is far from what they intend, the end result of this scandalmongering will be to weaken the homosexual movement in the Church and hopefully get rid of the worst offenders and their bishop enablers.

[ninenot]

ping

[ninenot]

Apparently there was quite a row at the Times. The Washington desk did NOT want to print; the NY office overruled and (supposedly) it gets ink tomorrow.

My source on this is pretty good, but far from perfect.

As to Bernardin: he was also a mentor of Weakland's, and was allegedly the anti-hero in the bood "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Ping!

Looks like they were waiting for the Conference.

[reformed_democrat]

Another thread to peruse.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The Bernardin case was VERY strange. A lot of people keep stating rather confidently that he was proven not guilty. He denied the specific allegations. It was never proven that he was not a homosexual or some other type of deviant.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Maybe the NYT would like to "out" the ranking members of the American Catholic clergy who are also members of the same anti-Catholic secret societies as the editors and major writers for the NYT. Hmmmmmm?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Wow! What a link!

The Chicago archdiocese has long been an area of corruption back to Cody and maybe beyond. This is positively frightening. As for Quinn in SF, he covered up some pedophile scandals. His successor, Levada, has had to deal with the leftovers. I don't know if he is continuing to suppress but he does seem clueless as to why people are so upset over these things.

[Arthur McGowan]

He denied the specific allegations.

Very much in the style of Clinton: "This woman says I raped her in the No-Tell Motel on Tuesday, March 7th, 1994, at 3:20 PM. This accusation is FALSE!!!!!" (Pound podium) (It was 3:25 PM.)

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I'm beginning to think I should read that book.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

From the "Bernardin's Boys" link:"The nurturing of a homosexual/pedophiliac network in the Catholic Church in modern times, which parallels similar networks in government, business and education circles, may, some suggest, date back to the late 1920s and early ‘30s when the “Cambridge Apostles,” that elite clique of homosexual Marxists under the direction of Anthony Blunt (and including such notorious spies as Kim Philby), determined to seize control of the major institutions, especially the churches, newspapers, cinema and radio (and, later, television), universities, museums and government cultural agencies..."

It is worth pointing out that the Catholic Church is not the only institution to be on the receiving end of this plague. British Intelligence in the 1940s and 1950s was infiltrated by homosexual Communists from Cambridge University who did a lot of damage to Western Civilization. It really would not be all that surprising to discover some links between that homo network and the "Lavender mafia" in America which has set up the Catholic Church for a big fall.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Or as that flaming liberal kook Weakland casuitically denied, "I never abused anyone."

As in, it depends on what the meaning of the word "abuse" is...

[oline]

Ditto on both your posts!

[Polycarp]

US Cardinal soon to be outed as homosexual...Which one?

If it turns out to be one other than McCarrick, I have a big public retraction to make here...

[Polycarp]

I was wondering why this had been held back. Let the dominos fall.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Don't apologize too soon. He just might not be the first one outed.

[Salvation]

Say a Rosary a day this week and through the Conference for the Bishops

[nickcarraway]

Still not posted on NYT web site.

[maryz]

As to Bernardin: he was also a mentor of Weakland's, and was allegedly the anti-hero in the bood "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin.

And, according to the RCF link on another thread, Wilton Gregory is also one of 'Bernadin's Boys.'

[maryz]

As to Bernardin: he was also a mentor of Weakland's, and was allegedly the anti-hero in the bood "Windswept House" by Malachi Martin.

And, according to the RCF link on another thread, Wilton Gregory is also one of 'Bernadin's Boys.'

[maryz]

It is further related to me that the press, already assembled (a large quantity) in Dallas, has been asking a lot of questions about the late Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.

Sounds like RCF must be doing its work, as promised.

[Ann Archy]

What was Bernadin's "seamless garment" argument?? I thought he was WAAAAY too liberal and after reading that article "Bernadin's Boys", I think he was the PERFECT LIBERAL.

[Ann Archy]

Cardinal Bernadin had a GAY CHOIR sing at his funeral???? And Bill and Hillary Clinton were his friends???? Geesh....is there ANY upright, holy men in the Bishop's position?? Or Cardinals??? I'm not losing my faith, but this is just awful. How do we know who to TRUST??

[maryz]

What was Bernadin's "seamless garment" argument??

Basically, it's that you can't be anti-abortion alone to be pro-life: you also have to be anti-death penalty and anti-war, then it shades off to the agenda of the DNC and "quality of life" issues. Someone else can probably explain it better, but there's the gist of it. I'm sure you've heard it in many forms from many sources.

[ArrogantBustard]

Do a web search (google, altavista, ...) on "seamless garment". You'll be amazed. Seamless-Garment.org lays it all out pretty nicely. Note how they bury abortion in the middle of all the 'liberal' causes.

AB

[maryz]

Note how they bury abortion in the middle of all the 'liberal' causes.

Right -- after I posted my answer, I was thinking how it reminded me of "The Purloined Letter," the plot of which if I recall was that the best way to hide anything is to lump it in with other like things -- whether letters or causes. Also, kind of like the "document dump" favored by attorneys -- the necessary documents are there, along with all 10,000,000 useless ones.

[ninenot]

First of all, Ann, you trust those who PREACH AND TEACH IN UNION WITH ROME. Ignore the rest.

As to the secret societies, Howling: we think we know Bugnini was one of them--and Bugnini was very tight with Rembert on the liturgy desecration committee in the mid-sixties. The fact that they were both booted from Rome to distant backwaters is merely co-incidence, of course.

Not yet posted on the NYT site: my source, as indicated above, is 'pretty reliable,' but not perfect.

Maryz: there's a WHOLE lot more to what Roman Catholic Faithful have--such as the yet-to-be-solved murder of a priest in Madison, WI., area a few years back. That priest was a guest of mine a few times, and we miss him.

[ninenot]

I happen to have the 'key' to the cast of characters, and the 'key' was affirmed by M. Martin. The book is not unlike some Clancy novels (mutatis mutandis, of course) but unfortunately does not have the whiz-bang hero-fixes-it ending.

[oline]

From Bernadin's Boys:

...involved in hushing up another case in which seminarians in Winona, Minn., had accused Bernardin and three other bishops of participating in sexual/satanic rituals at the seminary. Among the facts that the plaintiffs in that case marshaled for their suit: Bernardin was frequently accompanied by Steven Cook!

AND

According to one man who was sexually abused by Hopwood in the late 1950s, Bernardin and Hopwood (and the other priests named above) “were buddies.” In an interview with Roman Catholic Faithful shortly after Bernardin’s death, the victim said that one of his co-plaintiffs in the lawsuit against Hopwood was sodomized by Hopwood and another priest, though that victim didn’t know who the perpetrator was because he had been blindfolded.


This certainly could be inspiration for the opening chapters in Malachi Martin's Windswept House...I have often wondered what Martin would be saying today if he were still alive...

Also -

Bernardin was ordained April 26, 1952, at St. Joseph's Church in Columbia. In 1954, he was appointed Chancellor of the Diocese by Bishop John Russell, who, himself has been accused of satanism and sexual abuse by the same woman, “Agnes” who accused Bernardin of sexual abuse.

Did anyone see the movie "Agnes of God"? I just did - it's creepy...was it inspired by the above?

[hellinahandcart]

Basically, it's that you can't be anti-abortion alone to be pro-life: you also have to be anti-death penalty and anti-war, then it shades off to the agenda of the DNC and "quality of life" issues.

That's fine, I was never that wild about the term "pro-life" anyway. I'll just be anti-abortion, and this "seamless garment" mind-game will have no effect on me whatsoever. Problem solved.

[quebecois]

"are there ANY upright, holy men in the Bishop's position".

Frustratingly, it seems that the lefties have seized control of almost every institution in America over the past few decades. The Church in the USA has been rotting for some time now due to the presence of overwhelming numbers of them in positions of power, but this spectacular collapse is more dramatic than that decades long decay.

The thing that I find most offensive about the entire scandal is the reaction towards it by those in positions of power. It would take me approximately one nanosecond to suspend any priest accused of molesting kids...and exactly one nanosecond to defrock them if the investigation proved guilt.

Amazingly, I have been seeing various lefties in positions of authority in the church on TV disagreeing with this. They have a liberal view towards crime, and argue that the priests just need therapy..and can then be sent to a new diocese. How anyone, much less a bishop or cardinal, can believe that someone guilty of child molestation can function as a priest and lead a flock is beyond me. In my universe (which, admittedly, is quite different than the one that the liberals live in), only men of high moral standing can take leadership positions in the church. One strike, and you're out. No execeptions.

Unfortunately, the Church has been submerged in "liberation theology" and other such things for some time now....so the leaders no longer seem to think as I do on this topic.

[maryz]

Yes, I've been to the RCF site numerous times -- I did read about the murdered priest.

I guess for a long time RCF was the voice crying in the wilderness, but now others are starting to notice and write about the problems, at least the homosexuality, like Michael Rose (who is apparently doing the talk show circuit to promo his book, e.g., Michael Rose on the Howie Carr Show 6/7/02 (Transcript)), and, now, Paul Likoudis (whose book I ordered on the RCF site) and at least some articles (the best I've seen, I think, is Mary Eberstadt's The Elephant in the Sacristy, which appeared in the Weekly Standard).

The bishops, however -- well, even when one says something (or like that priest who spoke about it in NYC), everyone else either makes him back off or hastens to explain that he didn't really mean it.

There was a notice posted that RCF plans to have a presence and press conference in Dallas. I hope they get some attention. I read in today's paper that 600 reporters have been issued credentials to cover the bishops' conference, so there would seem to be a good chance of it.

[maryz]

That's fine, I was never that wild about the term "pro-life" anyway.

I absolutely agree! Let's all just stick with anti-abortion and pro-abortion, and then everyone knows where everyone stands. There's no good substitute for perfectly plain, clear terms.

[maryz]

My source on this is pretty good, but far from perfect.

Does your source know who it is?

[Aquinasfan]

The Times' story will run one day before the opening of the summer Bishop's Conference meeting in Dallas.

What does it say about a "newspaper" that times the release of its news stories?

[Orual]

Maryz: there's a WHOLE lot more to what Roman Catholic Faithful have--such as the yet-to-be-solved murder of a priest in Madison, WI., area a few years back. That priest was a guest of mine a few times, and we miss him.

Are you referring to Fr. Kunz? I believe he participated in the report to the Vatican in the 90's concerning the problem of homosexual and pedophile priests.

[Aquinasfan]

Someone else can probably explain it better, but there's the gist of it. I'm sure you've heard it in many forms from many sources.

My pastor rolled out the "seamless garment" in an RCIA meeting. It is a very insidious doctrine. I'm glad I now know from whom it came.

[ninenot]

Yes.