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Posted on 06/15/2002 12:03:13 PM PDT by FF578
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From the Pittsburgh Post Gazette:
GOP finds duplicate voting
Friday, June 14, 2002
By James O'Toole, Politics Editor, Post-Gazette
A survey by the Republican National Committee has found nearly 50,000 cases of improper duplicate voter registrations in Pennsylvania.
Using the RNC's computerized national voting data base, the Republicans found 17,276 cases of individuals who were apparently registered in two different jurisdictions within the state and at least 32,000 cases where individuals were registered concurrently in Pennsylvania and another state.
While the vast majority of those cases are likely to be the result of benign personal or bureaucratic lapses -- such as persons registering at a new address without notifying their old polling place -- GOP figures said the numbers show the widespread potential for voter fraud.
Looking at Pennsylvania records from the 2000 presidential election, the GOP found 53 instances where ballots were cast in the same person's name in two different counties -- whether as a result of the same individual voting twice or of some other person exploiting the duplicate registrations.
"These state voter lists are terrible," said Dan Ronayne, an RNC spokesman, "This drives home how important it is for states to have statewide voter registration lists."
Pennsylvania, where voter rolls are now maintained separately in each of its 67 counties, has just begun to move toward such a comprehensive voter file. Gov. Mark Schweiker signed a measure earlier this year designed to create a statewide voter list in time for the 2004 presidential election.
The total of 32,472 dual-state registrations found by the RNC is almost certain to grow. The party's scrutiny of the voter rolls has so far covered just 11 states.
Overall, in the states reviewed so far, the RNC found at least 140,000 persons registered twice and 689 cases where votes were cast under the same person's name for the same candidate in two different counties or states in November, 2000. Ronayne said the RNC had not found -- or looked for -- any partisan pattern in the duplications.
"We're not doing this to engage in any finger-pointing," he said. "What we want to do is shine a light on the problem, that's why we want to share the results of our research so far."
For Pennsylvania, the data for in-state duplications showed a marked disparity between the two most populous counties, Philadelphia and Allegheny. For the 2000 election cycle, the RNC identified 14,947 cases where an individual was registered simultaneously in Philadelphia and in one of the suburban counties that surround it. Within that group, they found 53 cases where votes were cast under the same name for the same candidate in two different jurisdictions. For Allegheny County, the RNC found just 56 cases of duplicate registrations and no instances of double voting.
"That study underscores the need for this legislation, what we suspected about the potential for fraud," said Josh Wilson, an aide to state Sen. Jeffrey Piccola, R-Dauphin, one of the architects of the state legislation on voter lists.
Philadelphia was also the only reason Gore won Pennsylvania in the 2000 election. With Pennsylvania in his corner, there would have been no Florida recount, Bush would have won anyway, without Florida.
Philadelphia is were wards were turning out 99.9% of the vote totals for Gore. Many political experts agree that if a candidate gets more than 90% of a vote, there is fraud going on.
2000 Philadelphia City Totals:
100,967 Bush 451,321 Gore
Ward 1 1,476 Bush 4,679 Gore
Ward 2 1,625 Bush 6,839 Gore
Ward 3 190 Bush 7,977 Gore
Ward 4 153 Bush 7,977 Gore
Ward 5 1,938 Bush 9,258 Gore
Ward 6 91 Bush 4,580 Gore
Ward 7 660 Bush 4,342 Gore
Ward 8 2,318 Bush 10,956 Gore
Ward 9 1,755 Bush 6,711 Gore
Ward 10 288 Bush 11,196 Gore
Ward 11 172 Bush 5,514 Gore
Ward 12 320 Bush 7,821 Gore
Ward 13 235 Bush 7,588 Gore
Ward 14 97 Bush 2,799 Gore
Ward 15 1,148 Bush 6,087 Gore
Ward 16 65 Bush 4,903 Gore
Ward 17 254 Bush 9,351 Gore
Ward 18 951 Bush 3,651 Gore
Ward 19 351 Bush 3,745 Gore
Ward 20 102 Bush 2,732 Gore
Ward 21 6,304 Bush 12,950 Gore
Ward 22 466 Bush 10,523 Gore
Ward 23 1,551 Bush 5,034 Gore
Ward 24 427 Bush 4,397 Gore
Ward 25 1,783 Bush 4,015 Gore
Ward 26 3,187 Bush 4,605 Gore
Ward 27 759 Bush 4,373 Gore
Ward 28 75 Bush 5,320 Gore
Ward 29 115 Bush 4,262 Gore
Ward 30 408 Bush 4,679 Gore
Ward 31 1,389 Bush 3,086 Gore
Ward 32 128 Bush 7,609 Gore
Ward 33 1,550 Bush 3,996 Gore
Ward 34 1,261 Bush 12,743 Gore
Ward 35 3,674 Bush 5,994 Gore
Ward 36 799 Bush 10,312 Gore
Ward 37 216 Bush 4,899 Gore
Ward 38 832 Bush 6,545 Gore
Ward 39 4,122 Bush 11,138 Gore
Ward 40 1,971 Bush 11,534 Gore
Ward 41 2,664 Bush 5,406 Gore
Ward 42 1,133 Bush 5,732 Gore
Ward 43 467 Bush 5,854 Gore
Ward 44 136 Bush 5,227 Gore
Ward 45 2,526 Bush 4,443 Gore
Ward 46 343 Bush 7,425 Gore
Ward 47 61 Bush 2,449 Gore
Ward 48 1,070 Bush 5,015 Gore
Ward 49 386 Bush 8,022 Gore
Ward 50 371 Bush 12,708 Gore
Ward 51 170 Bush 8,128 Gore
Ward 52 620 Bush 10,808 Gore
Ward 53 2,369 Bush 5,854 Gore
Ward 54 1,420 Bush 5,256 Gore
Ward 55 4,776 Bush 6,835 Gore
Ward 56 4,145 Bush 10,641 Gore
Ward 57 4,019 Bush 6,782 Gore
Ward 58 6,618 Bush 12,658 Gore
Ward 59 345 Bush 7,868 Gore
Ward 60 190 Bush 7,316 Gore
Ward 61 1,245 Bush 7,137 Gore
Ward 62 2,709 Bush 6,503 Gore
Ward 63 4,299 Bush 5,759 Gore
Ward 64 3,260 Bush 4,162 Gore
Ward 65 2,809 Bush 6,148 Gore
Ward 66 7,600 Bush 10,605 Gore
Be Seeing You,
Look at Ward 28 above in the Philadelphia results, you cannot tell me that Gore honestly got over 5,300 votes and Bush only got 75.
No one can honestly win 99.9% of a vote in any given area, there are always more dissenters than .1%
There were 286 NYC voters who voted in both NY and Florida. That total came from the big three recount counties Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach.
286 Votes would have helped pad that 537 Vote margin that Bush won with.
Could be a lot of fun.
Yeah, right. The typical banana-republic dictator lets the token opposition score more votes than that.
Agreed. And I don't understand why. If the GOP pushed for electoral reform and sought money to implement it, we could nearly eliminate voter fraud in this country. The Democrats would probably lose 10% of their base (the dead folks, the felons, the double-dippers).
This seems like a no-brainer for the GOP to push. And what would the Dem position be? "We have no interest in cleaning up voter fraud"?
Of course, the Democrats will fight this for as long as they can. The fraud-method has helped them to win more often than we will ever know.
If just ONE of these people were arrested, convicted, and sentenced to jail time (preferably in New York, where the prisons are rougher), it would send a hell of a signal to the RATS. Can't any New Yorkers or Floridians get the names of a few of these people and file criminal complaints?
1)Those "red counties"...the 22 smallest registered voter populations out of 67 total counties in Florida are all Democrat counties. All but Leon County voted for GW (and there's evidence of fraud in Leon). After the mandatory recounts (yes, the WHOLE state DID recount), these counties, with mostly Dem. election workers, added or subracted only a few votes. They were honest Democrats who chose to vote for President Bush in these "red" counties
2) While most major papers repeated the allegation that Gore did poorly because of Votomatic Machines, all 12 of the Votomatic counties were in Gore's top 50% of his registered Dem. voters' votes received....and in Bush's bottom half Republican votes received versus registered Republicans, w/ Palm Beach County...Bush's lowest % of registered Republicans, Gore's highest % of registered Dems and best county overall.
How to change a ballot into an overvote and erase a vote for Bush? Punch a Bush ballot for Gore.
3)Palm Beach County also shows up as one of the three counties where Sen. candidate Bill McCollum (House impeachment mgr) received more votes for Senator than Bush received for President. Think about it. Republicans would choose to vote for Gore/McCollum? Democrats would choose to vote for Gore/McCollum?
It is ONLY in Palm Beach County that more than 20% of the registered Republicans "forgot" to vote for their party's presidential candidate. This 'lack of interest" by the republicans despite equally massive "get-out-the vote" efforts by both parties. As shown by the absentee ballot numbers, there WAS equal interest in the election by both parties; at least until the votes were "totaled".
For the record, in spite of the mainstream press's repeated claims that Pinellas County is a Democrat County - NO, it isn't, it wasn't. Pinellas was one of two Republican majority counties in the state where Gore won (w/ Hernando)-
"Seek and ye shall find," says the Good Book. No one puts more faith in this proposition than the Vice President's lawyers: Given the time, they know, Democratic counters in Democratic counties seeking more votes for the Democratic candidate for President will find them. Indeed, Time.com already reports that when helpful election officials in Pinellas County, which went for Al Gore, "removed the chaff from ballots before they were submitted for recount by the machines, Gore-Lieberman picked up an additional 417 votes."
The Railroad, great John Fund article from Opinion Journal.
For a spiritual answer to the bizarre goings on in Pinellas (?):
Scientology, NAACP, Pinellas SOE....(^:
How Democrats Steal Elections
Gore, Chris Sautter-"A Recount Primer"
Knock and Drag: Ryan Lizza reveals how Dems. got out the black vote
Trial Lawyers try to litigate their man into the White House
John Lott's Florida Election Study: Black Republicans, NOT Democrats disenfranchised by Dems.
It has now been confirmed by the Western Journalism Center that: " State election offices mailing absentee ballots to our men and women in uniform THIRD CLASS. They're supposed to be mailed FIRST CLASS." "The deliberate delay of the return of those ballots" so they could be rejected." "The disappearance of tens of thousands of absentee ballots shipped to military personnel overseas." "Completed ballots left on board American ships of war while the Pentagon tells media and family members all ballots were on their way home." Our news flash finished with "no wonder that many are now beginning to speculate on just how far Clinton and Gore would go in sabotaging the military vote." They no longer have to speculate.
Think about it, in Ward 28 Gore got 99.9% of the vote and Bush got .1% That is simply not possible.
One could argue that analyzing the national RNC database and making these observations public is a start towards doing something about it. Will the media give it coverage? Will the states, and Washington, take corrective measures once (or if enough) people make an issue out of it?
"These state voters' lists are terrible", said an RNC spokesman". (TERRIBLE???? Try "illegal", woossy).
"The RNC has not found--or looked for--any partisan pattern". (Why not, you turkeys?).
"We're not engaged in any finger-pointing", said the RNC spokesman. (Why not, are your fingers broken or something?)
No wonder the GOP gets its clock cleaned in precinct after precinct across the fruited plain.
There's an election reform bill before the House right now.
Give me a minute -- I'll go get the Bill # for you.
6. H.R.3295 : A bill to require States and localities to meet uniform and nondiscriminatory election technology and administration requirements applicable to Federal elections, to establish grant programs to provide assistance to States and localities to met those requirements and to improve election technology and the administration of Federal elections, to establish the Election Administration Commission, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Ney, Robert W.- Latest Major Action: 5/16/2002 Resolving differences / Conference -- House actions. Latest Status: The Speaker appointed a conferee for consideration of the House bill and Senate amendments, and modifications committed to conference: Blunt.
Committees: House Administration; House Judiciary; House Science; House Government Reform; House Armed Services; Senate Rules and Administration
It's on this page.
LOL! Calm Down, Leni.
I don't know who that RNC spokescritter was, but it does not reflect the views of the average RNC foot soldier. Election Reform is a big, BIG thing, and there's a bill sponsored by Bob Ney (see above) that will do exactly what is suggested in the above article.
Now, if this can get past the senate, we're in business.
One of the biggest places to look is college towns and the home towns of the RAT students who will gladly double or triple vote.
A couple $5,000 fines would probably take some of the fun out of voter fraud.
It doesn't take throwing money at it, it takes local Republicans who know who lives in their voting precinct or district to act as poll watchers and challenge votes of the dirtbag RATs who defraud the voters every time.
If you want to do something about it, dial up your state's GOP website and contact your local county or city chair.
Oh, I get it now.
Since they were originally called "three fifths of all other Persons," they are now entitled to five thirds votes.
Pat Buchanan gets 8,000 votes in Palm Beach County, more (and by a ridiculous margin) than any other county in the state. The infamous "butterfly ballot" is to blame but this doesn't hold water.
For those who don't recall the ballot's layout, Bush's name was on the left and pointed to hole #3. Gore's name was directly below it and pointed to hole #5. On the right was Buchanan, pointing to hole #4 while the Socialist candidate was directly below Pat's with hole #6. If one wanted to argue it was strictly confusion, one could also argue that half of the mistaken votes were meant for Bush since the hole existed halfway between the two names (thus making the point moot for Democrat claims of a wrong result).
If one wishes to believe, as the Democrats and the media do, that Buchanan got 8,000 votes because confused grannies pushed it when they meant to vote for Gore, it would stand to reason the Socialist candidate would have also received a few thousand votes. He didn't. He received less than 200.
Buchanan, himself, expressed surprise that he did so well in Palm Beach County (an "Amen Corner" perhaps?) so one could surmise this really wasn't a landslide of Brigadeers either.
So, how do you explain the vote totals?
As a community with many senior citizens and a Democrat-controlled local governemnt, vote fraud would be fairly easy. A clerk could merely gain access to the death certificates of the past few years and check them against those names still on the voter rolls. They would then assign some flunkie to include these voters in the vote totals with pre-prepared ballots voting for Al Gore and the rest of the party slate.
Only the flunkie accidentally poked the ballots with hole #4 (Buchanan) instead of hole #5 (Gore), an easy mistake to make given Gore's position on the left side of the ballot just below G. W. Bush (hole #3). The flunkie's superiors only learned of the error after it was too late to correct.
Now comes the smoking gun. In a post-election story in the Washington Post buried deep in the first section, a mention appears that the Democrat Party contacted a telemarketing company in Texas to call back Palm Beach voters who "may have been confused" about the butterfly ballot and to contact their election officials about re-casting their vote.
Even if one accepts the cover story that a few befuddled grannies called Congressman Wexler and expressed their concern (one wonders how they were able to dial the congressmen on their rotary phones when they couldn't correctly punch ballot holes with arrows clearly leading to the correct holes to punch), there's no way he could have enough pull with the *national* party apparatus so as to take people away from precious get-out-the-vote calls to other states in order to call back people who had allegedly already voted in sufficient numbers before the polls in Florida had closed. That is, unless the national party realized the fix was in and needed to create a cover story for the clearly irregular vote totals.
Even a football stadium filled with addled old bitties wouldn't be able to get the national party to move that fast (before any of the votes had even been counted!) unless the national party already knew what was really at stake.
It's obvious, then, that the Democrats hatched the fraud scheme and, when their plan went awry, took unusual steps to come up with an alternate story that could be accepted and manipulated by a pliant press corps. Imagine if the person who created and approved the butterfly ballot had not been a Democrat herself!
And it was this flunkie, whose hand was undoubtedly directed by God to screw up the best-laid plans of deceit and fraud, that accidentally gave the White House to George W. Bush! That's why the Democrats are so filled with hatred and disgust toward Bush. Imagine how you'd feel if you rigged an election and STILL lost!!
It doesn't matter if the general public hears it, just the Republicans who can be motivated to become active. This can only be done at the local level. It is the RATs doing the fraud, not the general public, and it's up to the GOPers to stop them.
All Republican FReepers should take this info and make sure it gets to your state, county and city Republican committees and their websites.
Mailings to primary GOP voters may net more potential poll workers, fraud detectors, phone workers etc.
The Republicans remain C-students in Electioneering 101 - Getting The Message Out. The media remains firmly in control of the Democrats
Absolutely...so do the colleges. But the RATs do not control the internet or the mail (well, maybe the mail.)
GOP FReepers......please copy/paste the pertinent information and in a professional manner, distribute it to concerned Republicans...especially those whom you know.
I read both papers assiduously and no further mention was ever made--of names, charges, indictments, arrests, trials, convictions, etc. I wrote several letters to editors asking what was the outcome and none of the letters was ever published--and no response of any sort was ever forthcoming.
Why am I not surprised?
just for history's sake
just for history's sake
just for history's sake
Thanks for the heads up, RaceBannon.
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Our Democracy is at stake and the A$$hxxx GOP does nothing!
And I vividly recall the time in 2000 that I heard Kousay Mfume say on the radio that they were mounting a get-out-the-vote effort and that they knew the names and addresses of everyone in Philadelphia. Gave me a cold chill.
"These state voter lists are terrible,"
Uh-huh. And that's just the way the Rats want to keep the voter rolls -- sloppy and easily exploited. That's why they pushed so much to get motor-voter in place.