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BUSH REBUFFS ARIEL ON FREEING COLLARED POLLARD
New York Post | 6/16/02 | URI DAN

Posted on 06/16/2002 1:50:34 AM PDT by kattracks

June 16, 2002 --

JERUSALEM.

THE only "no" that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon heard from President Bush last week in their White House meeting came when he asked the president to look into the case of Jonathan Pollard.

Otherwise, the sixth Bush-Sharon summit was conducted "in complete harmony" on Mideast issues, particularly the terrorist offensive against Israel, officials here say.

Sharon was not surprised by the negative response to his Pollard query because he raised the case in a previous meeting with Bush.

In Israel, the public has been pressing various governments to get Pollard free since the U.S. intelligence analyst was sentenced by an American court to life in prison in 1987.

Pollard was convicted of supplying top-value intelligence data to Israel about Palestinian terrorist threats and about Saddam Hussein's ground-to-ground missiles, long before "scud" became a household name.

Pollard offered to spy because he feared Israel was endangered by being denied the data - despite an intelligence-sharing agreement between Washington and Jerusalem.

Pollard was recruited in 1985 and spied until his arrest two years later. Israel was led at the time by prime ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Shimon Peres and defense ministers Moshe Arens and Yitzhak Rabin, who therefore had ministerial responsibility for his espionage.

But the Israeli officials told the Reagan administration that Pollard was part of an unauthorized "rogue operation."

Sharon, who was then industry and commerce minister and had no connection to the spying, said behind closed doors that Israel should apologize to the United States and promise there would never be another Pollard - but he was ignored.

Pollard's harsh sentence was explained by a confidential document, signed by then-Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, that outlined to a judge the damage the case had done to U.S. intelligence.

Media reports at the time - without any basis - suggested Weinberger's assessment was that Pollard's data had eventually reached the KGB.

Pollard's former handlers in Israeli intelligence, all fired as a result of the scandal, believe the Reagan administration was wrongfully blaming Pollard for the loss of several agents - killed by the Soviets - due to the CIA mole Aldrich Ames.

But hours before the signing ceremony, Clinton backed out of the promise, saying CIA Director George Tenet had threatened to quit if Pollard was set free.

Netanyahu was succeeded by Ehud Barak, who sought a pardon for a different American - Marc Rich.

So it was left to Sharon to take on the moral duty of raising the Pollard issue again - just as he and Bush were discussing the same issues, terrorism and Iraq, to which Pollard had alerted Israel 17 years ago.

Bush stressed that the United States regards Iraq as the biggest threat to Mideast stability.

"Israel will be safer without Saddam," he said.

Ariel Sharon couldn't agree more.



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When Benjamin Netanyahu was prime minister, he wrung a promise from then-President Bill Clinton that once Netanyahu signed a land-for-peace agreement in October 1998 with Yasser Arafat, Clinton would seek parole for Pollard for humanitarian reasons.

Netanyahu thought Pollard's freedom would make it easier to sell Israelis the controversial agreement, which turned over another 13 percent of the West Bank to Arafat.

And clinton needed a legacy.

Netanyahu was succeeded by Ehud Barak, who sought a pardon for a different American - Marc Rich.

A fugitive from American justice, whom clinton ea$ily pardoned.

1 posted on 06/16/2002 1:50:34 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
A bump for a more rested reading in the late Am or early Pm :-)

Good Night

3 posted on 06/16/2002 1:57:38 AM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Tropoljac
"I think that the NY Post has got its sense of morality screwed up if lobbying for Pollard's release is a "moral thing to do"

Rupert Murdoch strikes again.

News Corporation List of Companies, Chairman and Chief Executive: K. Rupert Murdoch
4 posted on 06/16/2002 2:06:01 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: kattracks
Pollard is lucky we let him use our air. The bigger question is why Israel spys on America. There wouldn`t be an Israel without America. The everybody does it excuse doesn`t work. Being Israels best friend costs our country a lot[9/11 didn`t happen cause we were budds with Canada} The next time they get caught spying on us, cut off their aid.

Bonus question, name the only country in the middle east that used it`s military to kill 34 American sailors?

5 posted on 06/16/2002 2:35:25 AM PDT by bybybill
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To: kattracks
Release Pollard? Hell, we ought to hang the spying bastard.
6 posted on 06/16/2002 3:14:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: kattracks
Andrew and Leslie Cockburn rake the Pollard affair over carefully in their fine book Dangerous Liaisons, which I recommend.

One of the easiest ways to prove that we're no longer a nation of laws is to start releasing convicted criminals because they're favored by the governments of other countries. That would create a dividing line between prisoners with highly placed "friends on the outside" who could spring them, and prisoners with no such clout. In other words, it would create a class of political prisoners, men who are behind bars because they lack the necessary political protection. This is something the United States has never had and must not have.

Whatever merit there is to the argument that Jonathan Pollard was unfairly sentenced should be taken up by the appropriate appellate courts and their support systems. Ariel Sharon was wrong -- morally wrong -- to raise the matter with President Bush, and Dubya was spot-on to refuse to consider it.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
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7 posted on 06/16/2002 3:26:07 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: bybybill
Bonus question: Name the country which used its military to shoot down an Iranian airliner loaded with civilians.

Name the country which bombed a country which, though headed by a scumbag, had not threatened the former country in any way. Tip: it's the same country which bombed a Chinese embassy. Like Israel, it claimed the bombing was an accident. (Not that I don't think bombing the Chinese embassy was a good idea if the rumors are true.)

Name the country which bombed a Sudanese aspirin factory on pretty thin evidence.

Not that I am apologizing for Pollard; he knew what the risks were if he got caught; he did get caught; and then he received a fair trial, so no one can complain. Israel may have felt using him was necessary in light of our bad habit of bailing out the Palestinian terrorists going back at least to the Reagan administration, but Pollard ended up hurting his alleged cause in the process by betraying the US in an important trust. He did not have the right to endanger US assets by revealing any information to a third party. And he wasn't in a position to play judge on whether information leaks would or would not endanger the US or its personnel. The simple fact is, he didn't know how that information would ultimately be used, but he did know that it wasn't his to give...or sell. If any Israeli wants to consider him a hero they can do so but they should reconsider the damage he did not just to their ally, but to Israel as well.

In any case, to America Pollard is a convicted spy, and if some Israelis want him back I suppose they shall have to catch an American spy in Israel to trade for Pollard, just as the USSR would catch an American asset to trade for the Soviet spies we had caught. Problem is... there doesn't appear to be an American spy available to Israel, and I sure as heck won't trade a person who had betrayed the US for an arrested pinko pantywaist American peace protestor. Perhaps Israel should review why there hasn't been an American spy captured in Israel. They might learn something.

8 posted on 06/16/2002 3:47:51 AM PDT by piasa
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To: fporretto
Ariel Sharon was wrong -- morally wrong -- to raise the matter with President Bush, and Dubya was spot-on to refuse to consider it.

Well said, bears repeating.

9 posted on 06/16/2002 3:50:59 AM PDT by piasa
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To: kattracks
The article gives the impression that Pollard betrayed America for ideological reason, that Pollard was concerned for Israel. This article also implies that he had the right to do this because the U.S. wasn't "giving" Israel the information even though there was an agreement to do so. Pollard betrayed his country for money, no more, no less and this makes him a traitor. Israel is not doing itself any good in insisting on his release...
10 posted on 06/16/2002 3:54:48 AM PDT by waxhaw
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To: Tropoljac
But the Israeli officials told the Reagan administration that Pollard was part of an unauthorized "rogue operation."

Same thing Israel said about the Lavon Affair. If Bill Clinton were a country, he would be Israel. They never admit anything.

11 posted on 06/16/2002 3:56:14 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: waxhaw
I don't care one way or the other, releasing POLLard or freeing him.

But the kneejerk, 'hang him' crowd is suspiciously uninterested in any kind of dialogue
comparing Pollard's treatment and other spies.

That's the story for me, why no curiosity?
regarding the fairness of throwing away the key for Pollard,
compared to plea bargaining, and rationalizing weak sentences of other spies and traitors??

How can the anti-Pollard crowd agitate more against him than against Clinton?
How can Bush not go for Clinton blood seeing more numerous and serious treasonous acts Clinton committed?

And why are there Freepers willing to let this question go on and on unanswered?

12 posted on 06/16/2002 4:10:42 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: kattracks
I think subliminal propaganda or some such bizarre reason is behind
sudden incredible noncuriosity of the amazingly unfair facts in the POLLard case.

It feels like it has X41's fingerprints on it.
"Son, remember to be ready when POLLard's name comes up."
"Sure Dad, I remember my oath."

13 posted on 06/16/2002 4:15:39 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: piasa
Perhaps Israel should review why there hasn't been an American spy captured in Israel.

Two reasons: One, U.S. intelligence relies on "national technical means," so there are few humans to arrest. The second is that the Israelis are compromised by accepting U.S. foreign aid. Because of this, if we did have a human asset violating Israeli law, and the Israelis caught him, the Israeli government would be sorely tempted to let him go so as to avoid antagonizing the U.S.

Henry Stimson was wrong. Gentleman do read each other's mail. Of course, if they get caught it is all to the good that there be a high price to be paid.

14 posted on 06/16/2002 4:28:09 AM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Taiwan Bocks
But the kneejerk, 'hang him' crowd is suspiciously uninterested in any kind of dialogue comparing Pollard's treatment and other spies.

Why suspicious? Most here believe that Pollard's sentence is much closer to fair than those handed out to comparable spies, men who, as documented on pro-Pollard web sites (see Comparison of Pollard's Sentence With Others ), only served a year or two. The problem is with the short sentences, not the long one.

What I really can't understand is why some question the morality of Israel asking for Pollard's release. I guess that these are the same folks who blame the Mexican government for the U.S. not solving its own illegal alien problem. Detering our own citizens from spying against us is the the job of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, not Ariel Sharon.

15 posted on 06/16/2002 4:41:52 AM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: kattracks
It's a shame that America imprisons spies instead of executing them. The Walkers, Pollard, Ames, Hanson and Montes as well as lesser accomplished spies should be shot.

Sure, there is the arguement, "We need to know what they've divulged", they're probably lying about that too.

Shoot the bastards.

"Ready, Aim, Fire!"

16 posted on 06/16/2002 4:57:26 AM PDT by csvset
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To: thud
The article neglects to mention that Pollard blew the cover several American sources in the Soviet Union when Israel used intelligence Pollard gathered for them.

That is why Pollard will never see the light of day outside prison walls.

17 posted on 06/16/2002 5:13:36 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: bybybill

As for blaming 911 on our support for Israel, it is an accusatorial evil. And yes, Canada and England's AlQaeda cells have probably more to do with 911 than does Israel.


18 posted on 06/16/2002 5:23:48 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: bybybill
If Hitlery ever (God forbid) becomes President, one of her first acts will be to get Pollard released. Care to bet?
19 posted on 06/16/2002 5:39:24 AM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: proudofthesouth
Marc Rich will have to give President Hillary Clinton at least $25 million to spring Pollard. Or maybe she'll demand tribute from everyone. The ADL, AJC, NCJW will all have to contribute. But then again, these are the same people who will work to get her elected. Maybe she'll do it as payback.
20 posted on 06/16/2002 5:46:05 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: kattracks
I get a kick out of picturing Pollard in his cell hearing news like this.
21 posted on 06/16/2002 6:04:51 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn
I don'T get a kick at morons in government using Pollard as a bogey man for their intelligence failures against Iraq, the Soviets, Saudis and countless others in the FBI allowed not to interview other arabs...

Hang Pollard? Go right ahead, but the guy probably knows much more about the truth on 911, Waco, Ruby Ridge and other FBI scandals than anyone would like to hear.

22 posted on 06/16/2002 6:29:54 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: bybybill
Being Israels best friend costs our country a lot

As opposed to running our tails between our legs doing what the terrorist want? In Christianity compromise does not include the wholesale slaughter of people, eating grass as sheeps in Israel maybe, but certainly not their slaughter for sake of satisfaction of terror gods.

23 posted on 06/16/2002 6:31:49 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
but the guy probably knows much more about the truth on 911, Waco, Ruby Ridge and other FBI scandals than anyone would like to hear.

He's been in prison since 1987. Just what kind of math produces that sort of product?

24 posted on 06/16/2002 6:33:28 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: kattracks
Since chubby brought up the issue of spying via Jonnie-rotten, is GW then within bounds to ask about the deported art students?
25 posted on 06/16/2002 6:33:40 AM PDT by wheezer
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To: Glenn
He's been in prison since 1987. Just what kind of math produces that sort of product?

Pollard had inside info and previsions for the coming down of the US intelligence infrastructure. He was jailed because of that. The plea bargain included a limited prison sentence, but the racist black judge saw Pollard as an Israel Appartheid leader and gave him life.

26 posted on 06/16/2002 6:36:56 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
In other words, the whole thing was a set up.
27 posted on 06/16/2002 6:37:41 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
but the racist black judge saw Pollard as an Israel Appartheid leader and gave him life.

Um. Got it. You're one of "them". Sorry to have posed a rational question. I know it must have hurt.

28 posted on 06/16/2002 6:42:04 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Taiwan Bocks
If Pollard were treated worse than other spys, he would have been hung......Lots of people are and have been on Clinton's trail: impeachment, grand juries to no avail. But lawsuits are still in progress.
29 posted on 06/16/2002 6:48:04 AM PDT by Ecliptic
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To: Glenn
One of them? One of whom? Hurt? Gossip.

Pollard had gotten inside info on US supplying illegaly arms to Iraq before the Gulf war. Pollard har inside info on US sattelite data indicating Iraq was building atom bomb in Osirak but US would do nothing to stop the now villified but then excused Saddam. Granted he transfered this data illegaly to Israel so that Israel could bomb Osirak. And that makes one of them?

You are not going to rebuild your country by focusing on bogey men or spewing stories about "them". THe Gulf War would have not been won had Osirak not been bombed.

30 posted on 06/16/2002 6:48:33 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: LarryLied
If you were a country you would be Germany circa 1940.
31 posted on 06/16/2002 6:51:47 AM PDT by vance
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To: wheezer
*Is GW then within bounds to ask about the deported art students?

I don't think Bush is into lunatic conspiracy theories and internet hoax's.

32 posted on 06/16/2002 6:53:16 AM PDT by vance
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To: kattracks
W. better not release Pollard. Thank God it looks like he's got the sense to understand that.

Furthermore, committed partisans of Israel should let this issue drop. Post 9-11 Israel is riding high in many American quarters where once existed much wavering and lukewarm support. Strong Israel supporters should welcome this development and display their gratitude by refraining from loud bleating about an American traitor whose release would surely infuriate their new comrades-in-arms.

33 posted on 06/16/2002 7:08:40 AM PDT by beckett
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To: bybybill
Great article. Intellegent and presise. Keep up the good work. We need more independent thinkers like yourself. We must stop all aid to Israel so that we can have peace. Without our money the Israelis cannot conduct war and will be forced to seek peace. Peterise@optonline.net
34 posted on 06/16/2002 7:41:43 AM PDT by peterise
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To: peterise
Without our money the Israelis cannot conduct war and will be forced to seek peace

FYI.

Israel is our ally. Hamas is our enemy.

35 posted on 06/16/2002 7:45:31 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: vance
I don't think Bush is into lunatic conspiracy theories and internet hoax's.

He obviously wasn't "into" chubby's song and dance either.
36 posted on 06/16/2002 7:47:18 AM PDT by wheezer
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To: Joe Boucher
I agree with you 100%. Pollard was the bigest spy ever caught and convicted in our history. Why does our so-called friend Israel spy on us to begin with? Some friend. We are backing the wrong side in the Middle East, lets correct our wrongs and give the Palestinians a fair shake. There would be no 911 without our support of Israel, and what has Israel ever given us? They spy on us.Lets stop all aid to Israel so that we can have peace. Without our money they cannot wage war and kill innocent people.
37 posted on 06/16/2002 7:49:12 AM PDT by peterise
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To: peterise
There would be no 911 without our support of Israel

And here all this time I thought the scumbags who killed 3 thousand Americans were radical muslim shit. You mean to tell me it was the JEWS?

38 posted on 06/16/2002 7:51:33 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: wheezer
If Pollard is the only thing about which Bush said no to Sharon, that's great. You seem hung up on weight. Very superficial and childish.
39 posted on 06/16/2002 7:51:52 AM PDT by vance
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To: kattracks
WHY do some many Jews have this rabid obsession with Pollard?

He was clearly a traitor! Despite his (supposedly) best intentions, there were many other ways he could have helped Israel as a volunteer, or an Israeli citizen. But the means he chose were that of Aldrich Ames and Robert Hansen--treason and treachery.

His friends should be happy he has kept his life. They have to be joking if they think he will ever be released. Enough already.

40 posted on 06/16/2002 7:52:58 AM PDT by montag813
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To: kattracks
Netanyahu was succeeded by Ehud Barak, who sought a pardon for a different American - Marc Rich.

This shows in one act what a pucilanimous slug Barak is.

41 posted on 06/16/2002 7:56:32 AM PDT by montag813
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To: kattracks;all
Pollard's former handlers in Israeli intelligence, all fired as a result of the scandal, believe the Reagan administration was wrongfully blaming Pollard for the loss of several agents - killed by the Soviets - due to the CIA mole Aldrich Ames.

But hours before the signing ceremony, Clinton backed out of the promise, saying CIA Director George Tenet had threatened to quit if Pollard was set free.

There appears to be a section of this article missing. Either the editor, the author, or the poster has left out a paragraph or so. I went to the article source and did a search and was surprised to find old Pollard articles, but not this one. Is this article actually posted on the NYPost.com site?

There is a quotation included in comment #1. Was this the missing piece that was just cut rather than copied during quotation?

42 posted on 06/16/2002 7:56:46 AM PDT by OReilly
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To: Taiwan Bocks
And why are there Freepers willing to let this question go on and on unanswered

Because you are a disruptor or a fool.

43 posted on 06/16/2002 8:12:18 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: vance
If Pollard is the only thing about which Bush said no to Sharon, that's great.

As an American, why would one consider that great?
44 posted on 06/16/2002 8:14:12 AM PDT by wheezer
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To: lavaroise
Hang Pollard? Go right ahead, but the guy probably knows much more about the truth on 911, Waco, Ruby Ridge and other FBI scandals than anyone would like to hear

Apparently he knows more about these topics than you! Return Pollard to Sharon in a box...after a public hanging.

45 posted on 06/16/2002 8:17:27 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: bybybill
Iraq-the USS Stark.In addition to the Liberty attack by israel.
46 posted on 06/16/2002 8:39:53 AM PDT by steamroller
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To: OReilly; All
You are absolutely right, two paragraphs were omitted, due entirely to my error.

June 16, 2002 --

JERUSALEM.

THE only "no" that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon heard from President Bush last week in their White House meeting came when he asked the president to look into the case of Jonathan Pollard.

Otherwise, the sixth Bush-Sharon summit was conducted "in complete harmony" on Mideast issues, particularly the terrorist offensive against Israel, officials here say.

Sharon was not surprised by the negative response to his Pollard query because he raised the case in a previous meeting with Bush.

In Israel, the public has been pressing various governments to get Pollard free since the U.S. intelligence analyst was sentenced by an American court to life in prison in 1987.

Pollard was convicted of supplying top-value intelligence data to Israel about Palestinian terrorist threats and about Saddam Hussein's ground-to-ground missiles, long before "scud" became a household name.

Pollard offered to spy because he feared Israel was endangered by being denied the data - despite an intelligence-sharing agreement between Washington and Jerusalem.

Pollard was recruited in 1985 and spied until his arrest two years later. Israel was led at the time by prime ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Shimon Peres and defense ministers Moshe Arens and Yitzhak Rabin, who therefore had ministerial responsibility for his espionage.

But the Israeli officials told the Reagan administration that Pollard was part of an unauthorized "rogue operation."

Sharon, who was then industry and commerce minister and had no connection to the spying, said behind closed doors that Israel should apologize to the United States and promise there would never be another Pollard - but he was ignored.

Pollard's harsh sentence was explained by a confidential document, signed by then-Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, that outlined to a judge the damage the case had done to U.S. intelligence.

Media reports at the time - without any basis - suggested Weinberger's assessment was that Pollard's data had eventually reached the KGB.

Pollard's former handlers in Israeli intelligence, all fired as a result of the scandal, believe the Reagan administration was wrongfully blaming Pollard for the loss of several agents - killed by the Soviets - due to the CIA mole Aldrich Ames.

When Benjamin Netanyahu was prime minister, he wrung a promise from then-President Bill Clinton that once Netanyahu signed a land-for-peace agreement in October 1998 with Yasser Arafat, Clinton would seek parole for Pollard for humanitarian reasons.

Netanyahu thought Pollard's freedom would make it easier to sell Israelis the controversial agreement, which turned over another 13 percent of the West Bank to Arafat.

But hours before the signing ceremony, Clinton backed out of the promise, saying CIA Director George Tenet had threatened to quit if Pollard was set free.

Netanyahu was succeeded by Ehud Barak, who sought a pardon for a different American - Marc Rich.

So it was left to Sharon to take on the moral duty of raising the Pollard issue again - just as he and Bush were discussing the same issues, terrorism and Iraq, to which Pollard had alerted Israel 17 years ago.

Bush stressed that the United States regards Iraq as the biggest threat to Mideast stability.

"Israel will be safer without Saddam," he said.

Ariel Sharon couldn't agree more.


BUSH REBUFFS ARIEL ON FREEING COLLARED POLLARD

47 posted on 06/16/2002 8:46:22 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: waxhaw
Pollard betrayed his country for money, no more, no less and this makes him a traitor. Israel is not doing itself any good in insisting on his release...

Well said. I'm as pro-Israel as anyone, but Pollard is a traitor and should rot forever.

48 posted on 06/16/2002 8:48:34 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: beckett
I'm not sure there's any direct connection, but I cetainly see no inconsistency between strong support for Israel today - even if one thinks its policies have been misguided at times - and strong support for keeping the traitor Pollard in jail until he's breathed his last and gone to his Maker.

Perhaps we are making something of an example out of Pollard, but it is a salutary example to all dual citizens and all who belive their loyalties to the United States and loyalties to any other country do not conflict: if you accept an office of profit or trust under the United States of America, your sole loyalty must be to the United States, and if you violate that trust out of another loyalty, however admirable, you are a traitor and will be dealt with as severely as the law permits.

49 posted on 06/16/2002 8:52:30 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: kattracks
Dang. Nothing on Clinton's insistence that Israel release even the most dangerous "political prisoners" during his 'historic' peace negotiation... so Israel was forced to release Mohammad Atta, one of the WTC pilots.
50 posted on 06/16/2002 8:56:12 AM PDT by Teacher317
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