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Home Depot stops doing business with federal government (even cash!)
Saint Louis Today ^ | June 16, 2002

Posted on 06/16/2002 11:29:08 AM PDT by John Jorsett

Edited on 05/11/2004 5:33:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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1 posted on 06/16/2002 11:29:08 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
Wait, isn't Home Depot involed in that Welfare to Work program?
2 posted on 06/16/2002 11:33:17 AM PDT by cmsgop
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To: John Jorsett
I just stopped doing business with Home Depot.
3 posted on 06/16/2002 11:35:06 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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4 posted on 06/16/2002 11:36:14 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: John Jorsett
On one hand, it isn't unlikely that D.C. would say NO to a field office request for new ceiling fans and chandeliers, thus the local bureaucrat goes to Home Depot and buys the stuff anyway.

On the other hand, I've never had luck finding a Home Depot employee that I could bother with with a question, but maybe feds have enough time (on the clock) to solve that problem.

5 posted on 06/16/2002 11:37:11 AM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: John Jorsett
Years ago, the feds tried to buy some products made by a company which I co-owned.

Before giving us a purchase order, they sent me a 16-page "qualification" form to fill out - all kinds of bureaucratic gibberish and PC nonsense about how we'd grab our ankles to meet all the government standards to be Good Approved Citizens.

I sent it back after a pass through our shredder, with a note saying, in effect, "You want to buy our stuff, you send a check like everybody else. If not, go pound sand and stuff your forms."

Our product was absolutely unique . . . . they sent a check.

Always, everywhere, at every opportunity - tell Big Stupid Government to jam it.

6 posted on 06/16/2002 11:39:11 AM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: John Jorsett
Foreign owned? Going global? What's up with this? I smell lefties.
7 posted on 06/16/2002 11:40:56 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: A. Morgan
Why do you feel that way? There must be a good reason. I'm sure it's some sort of business decision and not an editorial comment. With all of this credit card fraud going on with Government employees, I can't say I blame them.
8 posted on 06/16/2002 11:41:53 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: Mo1
Some merchants demand the right to photocopy Impact Visa credit cards. GSA prohibits the copying of these cards.

The merchant's motive is to verify the identity of the card user, or to start the ball rolling for a little identity theft.

I have had occasion to get people fired for photocpying such a card. It is highly probable that Home Depot is seeking to avoid this particular problem.

9 posted on 06/16/2002 11:42:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: John Jorsett
Let's see, the United States is at war. Home Depot's response is to refuse service to uniformed military personnel? How patriotic. Here's one veteran that will be shopping at Lowe's today.
10 posted on 06/16/2002 11:42:29 AM PDT by inkling
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To: Hank Rearden
Always, everywhere, at every opportunity - tell Big Stupid Government to jam it.

Ditto. I wish I could stop doing business with them, but they still take more and more of my money at gun point.

11 posted on 06/16/2002 11:44:28 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: John Jorsett
Home Depot is noted for its "gay friendly" policies and promotions.
12 posted on 06/16/2002 11:46:51 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: John Jorsett
Good for Home Depot! Im going out right now to buy the Fathers Day gift we've been wanting to get my husband. Its a combo pack of a drill and circular saw with a battery pack for each and a blade for the saw all for only $99.00 bucks!

Oh, and for those of you who care, its all 14.4 volt stuff.

I love Home Depot and if they don't want the strings that come with dealing with the feds, so be it. I wouldn't either if I had a business.

Maybe the feds will realize that the American public is growing tired of their heavy handed behavior.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, HOME DEPOT!

13 posted on 06/16/2002 11:47:52 AM PDT by Barbara14
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To: Hank Rearden
Maybe your right, maybe it's too much government paper work, and maybe they are having trouble getting paid. I know that alot, a huge amount of physicians have stopped accepting medicade and medicare patients because of the paper work and lack of payments being honored by the government.
14 posted on 06/16/2002 11:47:54 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Hildy
The strange part about it is they won't even take cash. So it is not about credit fraud. The fact that they are so vague in their statements is very odd to me. Not only that, why would they assume they would be a subcontractor to the Federal Government. They buy from almost every type of business in the country, so that would mean everyone else is already a subcontractor. Lowe's must be loving this.
15 posted on 06/16/2002 11:48:24 AM PDT by JBCiejka
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To: Hank Rearden
Bingo. I would imagine the expenses associated with complying with government reporting as a "government contractor" and the associated potential liability and attorney's fee for billing practices to the government, such as "false claims" when weighed any potential profit from the government, led to the business decision not to service this sector.
16 posted on 06/16/2002 11:49:19 AM PDT by Boatlawyer
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To: John Jorsett
Cheers for Home Depot! I wish more companies would tell the government to kiss off. They will get all of my business from now on!
17 posted on 06/16/2002 11:49:33 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: John Jorsett
Based on the information toward the bottom, in which HD says it's trying to avoid having to run its business according to government dictates, I'm in the "this is a good thing" camp. If the feds really want something, I'm sure HD will sell it to them for hard cash, as long as whoever is buying it doesn't say it's for the government. "Don't ask, don't tell" at the cash register.
18 posted on 06/16/2002 11:51:28 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
I frequent both The Home Depot and Loews. I know the EPA is breathing down both their necks regarding paints. Just try and find an oil-based paint at either store.

Also, there was something last year about one or both stores not carrying any products that "destroyed the rain forest" in Brazil. Sigh...

Maybe THD decided to give the customer what he/she wanted and the feds be damned! (probably not)

19 posted on 06/16/2002 11:59:42 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: John Jorsett
If you don't like the Fed Govt ways of doing business then elect better congress people. I have spent my whole career as a contracting officer for the federal govt. It is the stupid laws that are passed by congress that does this -- if you notice all three items mentioned were laws or exective orders. Believe me, I once had a Senator's aide call me demanding to know why I procured toyota pickup trucks. I had to tell him his boss voted for the trade agreements act of 1979 and if he did not want us to buy japanese products he should not have voted for it.

Blame elected officials - not the government workers that have sworn to carry out these laws.

20 posted on 06/16/2002 12:03:30 PM PDT by glm
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To: John Jorsett
It almost certainly has something to do with status as "a government contractor." By rejecting this business in a formal way, they seem to be defining themselves as "not a government contractor." Why, who knows. The employment limitations that are a function of EOs jump to mind, but Home Depot hires anyone, so that shouldn't be a concern. Unless, there is some obscure issue like not wanting to hire folks in wheelchairs (not a good example because it is covered by ADA) or something like that.

The only other thing I can think of is an issue of petty personal concern. The daughter of an HD VP drives a delivery truck for the store in West Cupcake and when she tried to deliver to the army base, she got frisked/fondled and the truck was searched etc.And, after no local satisfaction, HD feels that the only way to get a response is to make a big deal out of it.

BTW, I have been going to Home Depot lately. The estalished Lowes, visible right down the block, is always crowded so if you go to the new HD, there is seldom anyone there and the employees can actually be found and asked questions.

21 posted on 06/16/2002 12:04:45 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: Hank Rearden
"You want to buy our stuff, you send a check like everybody else. If not, go pound sand and stuff your forms."

You, sir, are my hero. I am at attention, rendering a snappy salute in your direction.

22 posted on 06/16/2002 12:05:10 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: glm
Federal Contracting Officer?

So you do what you are told to do, like it or not, to satisfy your bosses, for money.

Chose any name for that profession.

23 posted on 06/16/2002 12:07:36 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: John Jorsett
Good for Home Depot. They apparently want to run their business without any government interference. I think this is the way our forefathers intended the system to work. It is called "free enterprise".
24 posted on 06/16/2002 12:08:27 PM PDT by Retiredforever
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To: Hank Rearden
Years ago, the feds tried to buy some products made by a company which I co-owned. Before giving us a purchase order, they sent me a 16-page "qualification" form to fill out - all kinds of bureaucratic gibberish and PC nonsense about how we'd grab our ankles to meet all the government standards to be Good Approved Citizens. I sent it back after a pass through our shredder, with a note saying, in effect, "You want to buy our stuff, you send a check like everybody else. If not, go pound sand and stuff your forms." Our product was absolutely unique . . . . they sent a check. Always, everywhere, at every opportunity - tell Big Stupid Government to jam it.

Thats what Im talking about. If you do a certain amount of business with the feds, they will impose on you rules that you must live by.

It is Home Depots obligation to explain to the public why they feel this way about doing business with the feds. They need to highlight some of the crap they've been put through that averge joe sixpack would never know of. Joe would only think that HD is "unpatriotic" when in fact, the company is very patriotic but most likely very anti government red tape BS.

Tell the feds to take a hike if they are forcing you to comply with their demands! BULL!

25 posted on 06/16/2002 12:11:44 PM PDT by Barbara14
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To: JBCiejka
The fact that they are so vague in their statements is very odd to me

I didn't find their statement the least bit vague or even slightly odd.

They listed three specific laws which certain businesses voluntarily place themselves under the jurisdiction of by doing business with the Feds. Home Depot very specifically stated that they will sell no products or do any business which will make them subject to those three particular laws.

Finding it odd that a major corporation would refuse to participate in the government's heavy handed practices and politically correct demands?

I think it's pretty refreshing and rather enjoy seeing these government leaches take a slap in the face.

Cheers!

26 posted on 06/16/2002 12:14:35 PM PDT by Lloyd227
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Thank you, but I'm no hero - I'm just a pissed-off citizen who respects the founding principles of our country.

If we had a few million more pissed-off citizens, we'd have a much smaller government, doing what it's supposed to do: secure the individual liberties of a free, self-governing citizenry.

Instead, what we have are just cheap politicians.

That's how I see it.

27 posted on 06/16/2002 12:15:13 PM PDT by Hank Rearden
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To: John Jorsett
The concerns cited by Home Depot refer to single purchases and contracts, not total yearly purchases. Loew's understands this; that's why they have no problem selling to the government. The Home Depot policy may be discriminatory, since they are refusing to sell to individuals based on their affiliation to the government. Military commanders are required by law to place all establishments that discriminate against their personnel off-limits. Maybe after the loss of a few dollars Home Depot will get the point. I'm going to make an educated guess based on more than 20 years of military service that many members of the military will voluntarily boycott the company when they learn of this policy. We support our own.
28 posted on 06/16/2002 12:15:34 PM PDT by azsportsterman
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To: Hildy
From the experience I have had with the Government, and remember, I am a retired Vet, I would not want to do business with them. They delay payment as long as possible, explaining it aways as, "a snafu". Also, their business comes with tons of "feel-good" qualifications and other bravo sierra.

Dispite the "sinister" wording of the article, I have found HD to be a good source of product and advice. I will continue to do business with them. Just because they refuse to "grab their ankles" to acceed to the Fed's demands doesn't make them bad guys.

29 posted on 06/16/2002 12:16:41 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: John Jorsett
Damn, Wish I could do that!!!
30 posted on 06/16/2002 12:16:49 PM PDT by sinclair
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To: KirklandJunction
So you do what you are told to do, like it or not, to satisfy your bosses, for money.

Chose any name for that profession.

Employee?

31 posted on 06/16/2002 12:17:34 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: inkling
"Let's see, the United States is at war. Home Depot's response is to refuse service to uniformed military personnel? How patriotic. Here's one veteran that will be shopping at Lowe's today."

READING COMPREHENSION ALERT!!!!! The article says NOTHING about refusing service to "uniformed military personnel". It says it will refuse PURCHASES BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, which is a whole 'nother thing. I am sure that if the guy in uniform was buying something for his/her own use, Home Depot would happily sell it to him/her.

Choosing not to sell to a government agency (or any or all of them) is in no wise either illegal or unpatriotic. Its called FREEDOM, which, although we are rapidly losing same, we still have SOME few vestiges of.

32 posted on 06/16/2002 12:19:29 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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has a work force of 250,000 people. Last year, it had sales of $53.6 billion.

Not much longer its a shame too good place to shop

33 posted on 06/16/2002 12:21:14 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: John Jorsett
Yeah, "employee". That's a bit more generic than what I had in mind, but it does fit. In so many ways.
34 posted on 06/16/2002 12:21:26 PM PDT by KirklandJunction
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To: glm
Blame elected officials - not the government workers that have sworn to carry out these laws. quote a block of text
Sorry, but I urge everyone here to do exactly the opposite: DO blame the narc, the EPA weasel, the bureucrat. Make their existence miserable. Why? Because government employees, especially those in enforcement functions, have a strong influence over laws. Police and corrections officers' unions have a lot to say about the WoD. If these people are made paraiahs - if their families become outcast in the community - they will add powerful voices for reform.
35 posted on 06/16/2002 12:21:43 PM PDT by eno_
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To: A. Morgan
I stopped buying at Home Depot immediately after visiting the new Lowe's here. Lowe's is so much better in quality, prices and service, not to mention appearance.
36 posted on 06/16/2002 12:22:42 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Willie Green
FYI
37 posted on 06/16/2002 12:24:08 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: eno_
If these people are made paraiahs - if their families become outcast in the community - they will add powerful voices for reform.

Very true. I know IRS people won't admit to working there at cocktail parties.

38 posted on 06/16/2002 12:24:24 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Hank Rearden
Thank you, but I'm no hero - I'm just a pissed-off citizen who respects the founding principles of our country.

I too have hadenuf!

39 posted on 06/16/2002 12:25:37 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: glm
If enough businesses cease to do business with the federal governemnt because of stupid laws passed by Congress and idiotic regulations promulgated by executive agencies, then Congress and the agencies should get the message and change their ways. I wish the states would also tell the federal government to shove it and decide inter alia what the speed limit and the legal blood alcohol content for driving should be.
40 posted on 06/16/2002 12:25:43 PM PDT by TheCPA
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To: Paulus Invictus
I agree with you. I like Lowe's much better, but there are some things I can find only at Home Depot.
41 posted on 06/16/2002 12:27:26 PM PDT by TheCPA
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To: Hank Rearden
You chose your FR moniker well, my friend!
42 posted on 06/16/2002 12:28:15 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: John Jorsett
The federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission moved to intervene in a 1995 lawsuit covering 310 Home Depot stores east of the Mississippi. A third lawsuit is pending in New Jersey. This is the largest sex discrimination case the EEOC has ever taken on. The HD response? Home Depot said it was "puzzled and outraged" that the federal government has intervened in a class-action sex discrimination lawsuit against the nation's largest building supply retailer.

Home Depot employs a total of more than 95,000 workers. According to one media account, 70% of the company's merchandising personnel are men, and 70% of the cashiers and back-office employees are women. Discrimination against Home Depot is alleged in hiring, job placement, training, promotions, and compensation. An attorney with the EEOC said: "While Home Depot has a glass ceiling, it traps its female employees in what amounts to a glass basement, with glass walls." According to the EEOC, "in too many instances, women at Home Depot were hired only for jobs such as cashier's positions--but not others." The company told reporters: "We are very proud of our record of hiring and promoting women to every level in the Company." In a memo to employees entitled "What We Are Committed To", Home Depot's management said: "The Home Depot is not going to bend to the pressure of those who seek to capitalize on our success- -and your success--so that they can pursue their own self-interested agendas...we are fully confident that the truth will ultimately be realized by all--that there is no better place for women and men to work than The Home Depot."

43 posted on 06/16/2002 12:29:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Wonder Warthog
Right. The HD here in Montgomery, Alabama wont take government checks & PO's, but lots of GI's from Maxwell and Gunter AFB's are there, in uniform, buying stuff everyday.
44 posted on 06/16/2002 12:32:12 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: glm
If you don't like the Fed Govt ways of doing business then elect better congress people

Wasn't this (just recently) made nearly impossible?

45 posted on 06/16/2002 12:34:25 PM PDT by thepitts
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To: John Jorsett
That is odd -- what about former federal government employees?
46 posted on 06/16/2002 12:39:41 PM PDT by TiaS
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To: blackbart.223
FYI;

A real life example of a company deciding that having the Federal Government as a customer can distract the company from pursuing it's main business and larger market, the retail customer.

I'd guess they were also spending inordinate resources (shrinking profit margins) processing slow payments, return merchandise, disputed bills, special orders, audits, as well as having to comply with a lot of red tape that had nothing to do with business and everything to do with social engineering.

Five years from now, when Lowes looks up from their "growing" Fed Gov business, Lowes will have doubled in size and lost profitability, while Home Depot will have grown 5 fold at least, maintained margins, and taken market share that Lowes will never catch up.

47 posted on 06/16/2002 12:41:57 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: John Jorsett
If you're going to do business with the US Govt., you need to set up a separate subsidiary to do it. Otherwise the costs of complying with government legal, contracting, accounting, regulatory, ..., requirements will slop over into your commercial business and make you non-competitive.

Home Depot can't afford to sell a $15 hammer to the USG for $15. USG hammers cost $100s or $1000s once the paperwork is done.

48 posted on 06/16/2002 12:46:42 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: John Jorsett
"Last year, it had sales of $53.6 billion."

How much of that came from the federal government? What is their problem? "Not our olicy"....that is the largest amount of hogwash packed into the shortest statement that I have seen in a long time. I'll never shop there, and I just informed my sister in-law, who is employed by the federal government, that she should no longer any business with Home Depot and why.

I think I'll knock off an email to Mom, with a link to this thread. And Dad, who is an aquisitions manager for an extremely large company...and a veteran.

Hmmmm....who owns Home Depot?

49 posted on 06/16/2002 12:47:18 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: John Jorsett
Odd. Is there credit bad? :-) Odd.... hmmmmm.
50 posted on 06/16/2002 12:48:43 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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