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McVeigh Lived In Ft. Lauderdale Area Same Time As Padilla!!! (According To Court Document)
CNN.Com Court Transcripts ^

Posted on 06/17/2002 6:27:47 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

And the first of these is with respect to a William Davis. And the parties have agreed that if he were called as a witness in this case, he would testify as follows: "I am married to Patricia Davis, who is the sister of the defendant, Timothy James McVeigh. In early 1993, I owned and operated a business known as Bill Davis Electric which was then located in my home at 11240 N.W. 27th Court, Plantation, Florida, 33323.


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TOPICS: Announcements; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: dirtybombplot; jd2; josepadilla; okcbombing; timothymcveigh
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
THat Lana Padilla name just needs and screams out to be investigated as to the connection with this Jose Padilla. Don't you think?
201 posted on 06/19/2002 9:28:53 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: annieokie
No. There's no connection there that I can see. Drop it.
202 posted on 06/19/2002 9:31:50 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: monkeyshine
some people are paranoid for a reason.
203 posted on 06/19/2002 9:31:58 PM PDT by d4now
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To: PJ-Comix; glorygirl; Fred Mertz; honway; All
Is there any way to find out if there was a Gun Show at the War Memorial Auditorium in February 1993?

This may help. I can't remember my Florida geography and I'm too lazy (and sleepy) to look so I included them all. Now, does anyone know where McVeigh was on these dates?


 

Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
March 19, 1993, Friday
SPORTS, Pg. 3C 

GRASS ROOTS SUPPORT AIRBOATS OWNERS HAVE A DEEP LOVE FOR THE SHALLOW-WATER; CRAFT
STEVE WATERS, Staff Writer 

(snip)

CALENDAR 

--MARCH 27-28: Gun show, Coconut Grove Convention Center, Miami. Admission $ 5. Call 1-305-568-5290. 

--MAY 1-2: Gun show, Coconut Grove Convention Center, Miami. Call 1-305-568-5290. 

(snip)


Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
May 7, 1993, Friday
SPORTS, Pg. 3C 

VOYAGE BEYOND LIMITATIONS PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENTS WON'T DETER THIS CREW... 
STEVE WATERS, Staff Writer 

CALENDAR 

(snip)

MAY 15-16: Gun show, Broward County Convention Center, Fort Lauderdale. Call 1-305-568-5290. 

(snip)



Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
September 10, 1993, Friday
LOCAL, Pg. 1B 

LITTLE OUTRAGE HEARD; UNTIL TOURIST IS KILLED 
GARY STEIN; Staff Columnist 

Another dandy South Florida event is on tap this weekend, taking place at Fort Lauderdale's War Memorial Auditorium. 

Yessir, we're talking gun show. BIG gun show. Big enough to make the marquee at the War Memorial. 

Buy guns. Rifles. Pistols. You name it. Perhaps 4,000 people will attend. 

(snip)


Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
October 14, 1993, Thursday, PALM BEACH EDITION 
LOCAL, Pg. 2B 

DISPLAYS AT CLUB GUN SHOW ARE OLD STUFF TO PARTICIPANTS 
JEREMY SIMON; Staff Writer 

Every time Gil Lewis hears about a fatal shooting, he cringes, knowing that people will blame guns. But Lewis distances himself and fellow dealers at this weekend's gun show from those incidents. 

"We're not that kind of people. We're historians. We're keepers of the future," Lewis said. Lewis, 62, of West Palm Beach, is the promoter of the gun show at the West Palm Beach Auditorium. Unlike most gun shows, this one features primarily antique guns and other memorabilia dating back to the Civil War and beyond, he said. 

(snip)


(same gun show as previous article...)

Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
October 17, 1993, Sunday
LOCAL, Pg. 3B 

CRIME HELPS PACK GUN, KNIFE SHOW 
LANE KELLEY; Staff Writer 

Hunters, gun collectors and more than a few people worried by the recent spate of violent crime in South Florida jammed the National Guard Armory on Saturday for the Fort Lauderdale Gun and Knife Show. 

The show, which also runs today, featured just about every conceivable kind of firearm, with many of the guns valued only by hunters and collectors. 



Sun-Sentinel (Fort Lauderdale) 
September 18, 1994, SUNDAY
SECTION: LOCAL, Pg. 1A 

HUGE LOOPHOLE MEANS IT'S EASY TO BUY ANY GUN 

PHIL DAVIS, JIM Di PAOLA and DANA BANKER; Staff Writers 

(snip)

Skirting the law is simple. You need look only as far as the newspaper classified ads or find an ad for one of the frequent weekend gun shows at local auditoriums. One is going on this weekend at War Memorial Auditorium in Fort Lauderdale. 

(snip)


204 posted on 06/19/2002 9:36:57 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: PJ-Comix
<< I went to the VERY SAME Taco Bell that Padilla worked at yesterday and "staked" it out. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Chalupas & Burritos served up as normal. >>

I think you should go stake out the Taco Bell bathroom and report back to us when the employees don't wash their hands. :-)
205 posted on 06/19/2002 9:40:06 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: PJ-Comix
I went to the VERY SAME Taco Bell that Padilla worked at yesterday and "staked" it out. Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary. Chalupas & Burritos served up as normal.

Those aren't "dirty bombs?????"

206 posted on 06/19/2002 9:47:04 PM PDT by JamesWilson
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To: d4now; PJ-Comix
The resemblance between the sketches of John Doe #2 and the picture of Padilla is just too close. This deserves further investigation. Has any major news source picked this up?
208 posted on 06/19/2002 10:21:36 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
I don't know....but it's freaky just the same.

night monkey, I'm outta here.
209 posted on 06/19/2002 10:24:57 PM PDT by d4now
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To: d4now
Maybe I'm confused about those pictures in post #4. It is late. G'Night.
210 posted on 06/19/2002 10:29:20 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Fred Mertz
No. There's no connection there that I can see. Drop it.

none that you can see? lol.

Drop it, Ok, but only because I want to go to bed.

211 posted on 06/19/2002 10:31:38 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: PJ-Comix
John Doe #2 did NOT sit down in front of the sketch artist so he could be conveniently drawn. No, the drawing was from the MEMORY of witnesses which was RELAYED to the sketch artist. Think about it.

Excellent point and my thoughts exactly. IMO there is a very strong resemblance

212 posted on 06/19/2002 10:41:35 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: annieokie
THat Lana Padilla name just needs and screams out to be investigated as to the connection with this Jose Padilla. Don't you think?

I did some investigating,I found no connection between Leonard and Jose. Lana has said there is no relation. It's a fairly common Spanish sirname. Perhaps the spelling is preventing your recognition - phonetically it is Padiyah. There is at least one professional baseball player with that last name(Vicente) as well as a popular DJ whose name is also Jose Padilla.

The only connections I can see is Tim McVeigh's recognition of the name because his best friends ex-wife married a guy in Las Vegas named Leonard Padilla in 1990. This may have partly led to this supposed friendship with Jose Padilla, when they both resided in the same part of Florida in 1993-1994. Other factors such as their disdain for the government, interest in guns, etc. may have also fostered the supposed friendship.

213 posted on 06/20/2002 12:42:28 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PJ-Comix
bump
214 posted on 06/20/2002 12:44:59 AM PDT by timestax
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To: PJ-Comix; glorygirl; Fred Mertz; honway; All
(same gun show as previous article...)

Disregard that comment. The October 14, 1993 article was about West Palm Beach, and the October 17 article was about Fort Lauderdale.

I was literally falling asleep at the keyboard last night. :-/

215 posted on 06/20/2002 5:55:50 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
BTW, I found out that McVeigh was in Ft. Lauderdale earlier than previously thought. Before it was believed that he was here only in February 1993. Now I find out that he was also here in January 1993 and probably attended a local gun show here in that month.
216 posted on 06/20/2002 6:01:21 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
<< . Now I find out that he was also here in January 1993 and probably attended a local gun show here in that month. >>

Here's some documentation for that:


Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Arkansas Democrat-Gazette 
June 22, 1995, Thursday 
Pg. 1A 

'COVER' BLOWN; MOORE TALKS ABOUT ROBBERY 
RODNEY BOWERS AND MICHAEL WHITELEY, Democrat-Gazette State Reporters 

ROYAL -- Roger E. Moore said Wednesday that federal agents have identified some of the guns recovered from Oklahoma City bombing suspect Terry Nichols' house as those stolen from him in 1994. 

(snip)

He said he met McVeigh at a gun show in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., in January 1993 and again at Tulsa about two weeks before the robbery.  [I think the robbery was on 11/4/94. Some of the news articles have conflicting dates so I'm not positive. ]  He said McVeigh had visited his home and knew of Moore's gun collection. 

Moore said FBI agents have indicated more arrests may be made and, to learn more about McVeigh, they are interviewing people who have attended various gun shows. 

"They're interviewing everybody, I mean everybody, from coast to coast," he said. "McVeigh got around the country and went to a lot of gun shows." 

Moore also said he wishes the media would focus its attention more on the bombing suspects and less on him, calling himself an innocent victim. 

"I'm getting tired of this," he said. "Everybody's been driving my neighbors nuts." 

Moore said some recent media accounts have been inaccurate, such as those that indicated he is a gun dealer and portrayed him as fanatically inclined and possessing an "arsenal." 

He discounted a report that he has been interviewed 30 times by the FBI in Arkansas, Oklahoma and Washington, D.C. Moore said agents interviewed him only at his home and at their Hot Springs office. He declined to say how many times he has talked to agents, but said it's "not 30 times."


Let me know if you want more dates.  I have a few more in Florida for '93.

 

217 posted on 06/20/2002 9:37:43 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
Just FYI, a lot of this information (and a few other items being questioned on this thread) has already been posted for a couple days on my Web site -- http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com

I haven't posted the names of the shows, but McVeigh attended at least two, one was at the Armory somewhere around Ft. Lauderdale (1/93) and the other was at the Dinner Key Marina (2/93 or 3/93). That information is found in the McVeigh trial transcripts available widely online.
218 posted on 06/20/2002 11:31:54 AM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: JohnBerger
Hey John! Weren't you recently interviewed on this matter on public radio? If so, please post the link. Thanx.
219 posted on 06/20/2002 12:26:23 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Nita Nupress
The ABC News Website is now carrying the AP STORY about how government intelligence agencies recieved warnings that Islamic terrorists would strike at a government building just weeks before the OKC bombing. I wonder if Petah will read this story off his teleprompter tonight or will he just write it off as another "conspiracy" theory.
220 posted on 06/20/2002 12:40:27 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Yep... here it is:

http://www.here-now.org/archive/2002/020617_ar chive.asp

Click "Listen" at the top of the page and it's about 5 minutes in.
221 posted on 06/20/2002 12:42:54 PM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: JohnBerger
Your web site is quite interesting, even the link names. Welcome to FreeRepublic!

I'll have to try to catch your interview later on when I reach my home 'puter.
222 posted on 06/20/2002 12:48:35 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: JohnBerger
Great interview! Plus the radio host had an open mind....unlike the Wall Street Journal reporter who pretty much discounted it. I think I will post the radio interview on a separate thread so as many folks here as possible can listen to it.
223 posted on 06/20/2002 1:00:30 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: cgk; OKCSubmariner; aristeides; spycatcher; Dixie Mom; PhiKapMom; glorygirl; MizSterious; ...
I think the liklihood that Padia is John Doe 2 was just raised to 95%. What do all of you think of these "coincedences"
224 posted on 06/20/2002 1:59:56 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: PJ-Comix
(Forgive me if this is a double post -- I got an error the first time.)

Thanks! NPR's Bruce Gellerman was very interested in the story. I suspect I'll get to talk to him about this again some time soon.

The WSJ guy called me for that story you mention. Though he didn't quote me, he did try to milk me for sources and leads, which was especially irritating in light of the dismissive story they eventually wrote. I actually told him to call Lana Padilla and even told him how to find her.

By the way, I posted new (and I believe exclusive) information on whoisjohndoe2.com today with the results of my attempts to verify when Padilla was (or potentially was not) in Florida, which is directly related to McVeigh's movements in the area.
225 posted on 06/21/2002 2:38:10 PM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: PJ-Comix

Tim McVeigh and a composite sketch released by the FBI on May 1,1995, of John Doe 2

226 posted on 06/24/2002 1:27:01 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
It might interest you to know that this evening I ate (steak burrito supreme) at the Taco Bell in Davie, FL where Jose Padilla worked. Nothing out of the ordinary there except I think that my burrito was prepared by John Doe #3.
227 posted on 06/24/2002 6:15:09 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Outstanding investigating. That's what we need more of on
FR, on scene reporting. The google search is getting old.
228 posted on 06/24/2002 6:30:20 PM PDT by honway
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To: JohnBerger
JohnBerger,

Anything new on this?

229 posted on 06/25/2002 10:26:40 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Not on the McVeigh angle, but a lot more on Padilla's possible al Qaeda connections -- which then potentially lead to Nichols back at the site (I won't try to summarize here; it's pretty long).

Also, here's a little something I didn't post on whoisjohndoe2 because it's a little too weird and may well be an actual coincidence:

The bombing of the U.S. Consulate in Karachi on June 14 took place just three days after the State Department announced that they had picked up "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla's trail at the very same consulate in March, when he applied for a replacement passport.

Furthermore, the bomb used on the consulate was a fertilizer bomb of the same type used to destroy the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995.

I am a bit surprised no one in the major media has made the Karachi-Padilla connection at any rate. The bomb type is quite likely to be a coincidence (the fertilizer bomb is an oldie but goodie). The target choice, however, may not be.
230 posted on 06/25/2002 1:14:59 PM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: JohnBerger; PJ-Comix; honway; aristeides; OKCSubmariner; Nita Nupress
That is more than weird. Thanks for sharing it with us.
231 posted on 06/25/2002 1:22:21 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: JohnBerger; Fred Mertz
That article in the Washington Post on Sunday did call the bomb in Karachi a "fertilizer bomb." But that need not mean the bomb only contained fertilizer (indeed, I don't believe fertilizer by itself would explode). People claiming expertise on explosives have claimed an ANFO (ammonium nitrate fertilizer plus fuel oil) bomb would not have done the damage the OKC bomb did. I am no expert on explosives, and thus cannot confirm this claim, but, if it is true, it is presumably equally true of the bomb in Karachi.

I strongly suspect the Karachi, OKC, and East African embassy bombs all contained the mixture of ammonium nitrate, TNT, and nitroglycerine detailed on that notebook page entitled "Explosivija za Oklahomu" (Serbo-Croatian for "Explosive Used in Oklahoma") found at the house in Kabul last year. I strongly suspect such a mixture would have had the stronger secondary blast that apparently occurred at least in the OKC and East African bombings. Does anybody know if there was such a secondary blast in Karachi?

232 posted on 06/25/2002 1:59:10 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: honway
Outstanding investigating. That's what we need more of on FR, on scene reporting. The google search is getting old.

When I was at Padilla's Taco Bell yesterday nothing seemed too unusual. I just ate a burrito there and phoned a friend and mentioned where I was. Then late last night that damn burrito was making me feel like hell. Maybe it just pschosomatic but I actually felt a weird paralysis in part of my right hand this morning. Most likely it was just psychosomatic since I remember viewing a lung cancer operation film in high school which they showed as a warning against smoking. It was quite graphic and my chest was in horrible pain after watching the documentary. (Effective too since I never did start smoking.)

233 posted on 06/25/2002 2:02:08 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: aristeides
This is the reference on the bomb that I was citing from:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/st ory.hts/world/1466585/

Nothing in there about a seconday blast, but it does specifify it was the same type of bomb as in OKC.
234 posted on 06/25/2002 2:08:36 PM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: JohnBerger
The bomb type is quite likely to be a coincidence (the fertilizer bomb is an oldie but goodie). The target choice, however, may not be.

Has any group ever used this bomb other than the Middle Eastern terror network that includes al Qaeda, bin Laden, and Saddam?

WTC 1993
OKC
African Embassy bombings
Karachi

235 posted on 06/25/2002 4:09:32 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
I can't speak to that definitively, but the Chronicle story says: "Campus radicals detonated a similar mixture outside the Army Math Research building at the University of Wisconsin in Madison in 1970."
236 posted on 06/25/2002 4:12:59 PM PDT by JohnBerger
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To: JohnBerger
Thanks for the information. I will research that one to see
how the damage compared to the others on the list above.
Keep up the good work.
237 posted on 06/25/2002 4:18:07 PM PDT by honway
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To: PJ-Comix
PJ, your da bomb.
238 posted on 06/26/2002 6:03:21 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: PJ-Comix

This was taken while Padilla was attending the Darul Uloom Islamic Institute 1993-1995.

I had this posted as part of the newsweek article-From Taco Bell To Al Qaeda (which was pulled because newsweek is owned the wash. post)- since this was the largest of the threads related to Padilla, it is now added here.

239 posted on 06/28/2002 9:46:24 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: shezza
Does anyone have a mugshot of McVeigh associate Michael Brescia, who is in prison for armed robbery? I would like to see now if the resemblence is as strong between John Doe2 and Brescia, as it is with this dude.
240 posted on 06/28/2002 10:02:01 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: OKCSubmariner
OKC, do you know where there are any pics of Michael Brescia online. He was a Mcveigh associate often suspected of being JD#2. Would like to compare.
241 posted on 06/28/2002 10:03:53 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: PJ-Comix
I remember Davie. Nice place, ain't it?

Makes me not want to eat at fast food joints, with the possibility of a Jose Padilla serving you your food.

242 posted on 06/28/2002 10:11:53 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: PJ-Comix
2 differences I notice right off - JD#2 has thicker neck (I believe witnesses said he was built), and sketch of JD#2 shows a more square jaw. Eyebrows and lips are amazingly similar.
243 posted on 06/28/2002 10:17:22 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Just captured this one from Fox News Channel. They said it was a 1991 bond hearing appearance.

244 posted on 06/28/2002 10:31:38 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PJ-Comix
Please excuse me if someone has already did a search on this but ..

Doing a Mapquest Driving Directions Search for the following addresses: McVeigh 11240 NW 27th Ct, Plantation, FL and the Taco Bell Padilla is reported to have worked at 2250 S. University, Fort Lauderdale, FL the results state these two locations are 6.92 miles apart.

Distance between McVeigh's known address and Padilla's work address was 6.92 miles.

Mean anything? Maybe, maybe not.

245 posted on 06/28/2002 10:39:33 PM PDT by zeaal
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To: agrandis
You can see a photo of brescia at this address:

http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/ page1/okc/brescia.htm
246 posted on 06/28/2002 10:47:10 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: PJ-Comix

Here is a photo of Michael Brescia, who some have believed to be JD#2 in the past.

BTW, sorry about the nitpicking - didn't see your rave about nitpickers until after I psoted my nitpicking to you. :)

247 posted on 06/28/2002 11:17:18 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks. I just found one, too. The involvement and treatment of Brescia, Strassmeir, and others is interesting, but most of the sources I have found that have a photo of him seem to want to blame everything on some kind of Jewish conspiracy. They seem to ignore the Middle Eastern angle, too.
248 posted on 06/28/2002 11:22:48 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: zeaal
Distance between McVeigh's known address and Padilla's work address was 6.92 miles.

Mean anything? Maybe, maybe not.

Of more importance is the Ft. Lauderdale Gun Show. I doubt McVeigh met at Taco Bell. Most likely, if they met, it would have happened at the Ft. Lauderdale Gun Show where lots of folks meet and talk.

249 posted on 06/29/2002 1:21:00 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
"This doesn't mean yet that they met..."

But it IS more proof that there are well established terrorist cells in Florida.

250 posted on 06/29/2002 1:27:58 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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