The mystery of John Doe No. 2 (Video Camera Recorded John Doe No. 2)

Salon.Com ^ | June 9, 2001 | David Neiwert

[Don Carlos]

Yep, the unguarded truck needs to be answered. Also the empty fertilizer bags and several fuel oil barrels were never found. 4,000 + pounds of fertilizer would be lotsa bags. Is that stuff volatile after being mixed?

Is it my imagination or what - several times I've tried to post and FR went down. Could it be (paranoia) "they" are trying to keep me silent? (/paranoia)

[Don Carlos]

Thumb screws, anyone? (Applied to appendage(s) just below the waist)!

[eno_]

I suspect the ANFO "problem" has a simple solution: McVeigh somehow got hold of enough Semtex or other high explosive to knock down the building. No massive conspiracy or demolition charges inside the building required. The trouble is, nobody knows where McVeigh might have gotten such stuff.

OKC does look rather a lot like the embassy bombings in Africa. TNT was, at least, a component of those bombs.

[eno_]

It would have been fewer than 100 albeit thick and heavy paper bags. Easy to get rid of by burning. Or they would all fit in one or two trash barrels if folded up neatly. IF it was only ANFO. A few hundred pounds of high explosive would have made a big difference.

[mn_b_one]

The Trooper arrested and held Tim McVeigh after discovering he was carring a 9mm Glock without a CCW permit.

[Don Carlos]

I'm still curious why so many don't believe ANFO could have done the job. The front of the bldg was just a sidewalk away from the truck. All it would have taken was a column to collapse, then the pancake effect would account for the rest. Low bidder govt building?

Remember, whatever the explosive was, it did massive damage for hundreds of feet. I can see a limited number being involved in the actual bombing. A larger conspiracy? Could be, guess I just need more evidence.

[Ann Archy]

Thanks. I didn't know.

[mn_b_one]

Two books to read on this are "The Oklahoma City bombing and the Politics of Terror" and "Oklahoma City, Day One". I suggest reading them. I read "American Terrorist" also. By reading as many books as you can on the same subject it is possible to weed through any prejudical slants that different writers take on the same subject, and you can get a clearer picture on what happened. Something other than a lone bomber took place here, the depth of the corruption is very deep, and we will probably never know the truth, but we should never stop seeking it.

[PJ-Comix]

Here is the latest on what I have found. Compare the scars on the sketch of John Doe #2 and photo of Jose Padillo. I am still trying to confirm if these are legit (a lot of web hoaxes out there) or retouched sketch and/or photo:

[aristeides]

Remember that notebook page found in an al Qaeda house in Kabul entitled "Explosivija za Oklahomu" (Serbocroatian, i.e., Bosnian, for "Explosive Used in Oklahoma,") followed by formulas for an explosive including nitroglycerin. No coincidence that the OKC and East African bombings were similar.

[aristeides]

Those formulas were for how to make explosives using nitroglycerin, dynamite, and fertilizer.

[weegee]

My recollection is that anytime a videotape doesn't prove law-enforcers' position, it is "lost" or accidently erased.

[PJ-Comix]

My recollection is that anytime a videotape doesn't prove law-enforcers' position, it is "lost" or accidently erased.

Yeah, as happened with the 7-20-93 White House parking lot videotape.

PJ---Who is hoping that Mark Fuhrman looks into the latter matter.

[weegee]

What's on that videotape? I know that the tape shot of the ATF raid of Waco was "lost" and that it happens in local law-enforcement from time to time.

[weegee]

And then there is the DNC fundraiser which was fine except for the audio portion of Bubba's meeting with Charlie Trie.

Of course the left likes to believe that the gap in Richard Nixon's tape was deliberately erased.

[nini]

We might revisit chatting with his son, who is now about 23 years old. He was brought to OKC for questioning because they thought John Doe 2 was a teenager

[Kermit]

Gee, the FBI let us see the video of McVeigh going into that McDonalds, while at about the same time, he was renting the truck. There are several other video tapes out there from security cameras, which the FBI has.

I believe we need a law to force the FBI to record their interviews. They've lied too many times, for too long and once again they get caught lying here. Also, we should make it a crime for an FBI agent to lie to a citizen. It's a crime to lie to a federal agent, it should be a crime the other way around too.

[PJ-Comix]

The 7-20-93 White House parking lot videotape could show us if Vince Foster had left the White House with his car or not. The Secret Service said that videotape was "mysteriously missing."

[eno_]

No, I didn't remember, thanks for reminding us!

[B.R. Burton]

Everything about these photos are right on, except Padilla's nose arches down, and Doe's bends up. But any artist can make that mistake, especially if you're a SKETCH ARTIST!