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INS crackdown hits Bay State: U.S. illegal immigrants rounded up
Boston Herald ^ | June 16, 2002 | Marie Szaniszlo

Posted on 06/17/2002 8:46:52 AM PDT by gubamyster

by Marie Szaniszlo Sunday, June 16, 2002

They came for Eleanor Mohamed's husband last month around dawn, as he and their 11-month-old baby slept.

They came for Elias Sawan's family in much the same way, rousing the 77-year-old retired meteorologist and his wife from a sound sleep. Once inside, the men fanned out across their Walpole home, handcuffing their four grown children as the couple looked on and wept.

When they came for Raouf Mankaryous, he was on his way to work. The 32-year-old electrical engineer got as far as the driveway of his Ayer home when the car pulled in. His wife, crying and still in her pajamas, ran outside as they handcuffed him, and knelt at their feet, begging for his release. Upstairs, the couple's 2-year-old son and 5-month-old daughter slept.

Since early this year, when Immigration and Naturalization Service agents began raiding the homes of ``absconders'' - immigrants who have remained in the United States despite deportation orders - 35 people have been arrested in Massachusetts, and nearly 700 have been arrested nationwide.

Virtually all of them come from countries that U.S. officials have linked to terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda. But in most cases, immigration advocates say, their only crime is that they remained here in the hope of eventually being granted asylum.

They are all targets of a massive crackdown on illegal immigrants since Sept. 11. And, as the government comes under mounting pressure to shore up America's borders, there are many more, from other countries, who face a similar fate.

In the months ahead, INS officers will seek out another 115 in Massachusetts and an estimated 300,000 nationwide.

``There's a human story behind every one of these cases,'' says Denis Riordan, acting district director of the INS Boston office. ``But they were afforded due process. They filed appeals, and the appeals were denied. It's no longer a matter of discretion.''

Already, the INS has begun to enter their names in the FBI's National Crime Information Computer, which will allow any law enforcement officer to determine whether a person - someone stopped for speeding, for example - is an absconder.

In the meantime, advocates say, many of those who already have been detained are languishing in jail alongside convicted felons, awaiting deportation to countries they fled because of poverty or persecution.

``There's not an immigrant out there who doesn't think that everything that can be done to stop terrorism should be done,'' says Victor DoCouto, a native of the Azores who came to the United States when he was 6, became a citizen after joining the Air Force, fought in Vietnam and now heads the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition.

``In many cases, they know only too well what terrorism and violence is like; it's the reason they fled their countries in the first place, and the reason they are more loyal to this place than some Americans are.''

The Sawans, Mankaryous and Saliba Kheirallah, a Norwood gas station owner and father of two, for example, are all Christians, a group that has suffered torture, rape and murder at the hands of Islamic extremists in their native Lebanon and Egypt, according to Amnesty International.

All of them entered the United States legally on visas, which have since expired. Since then, they have lived in a kind of limbo, unable, they say, to go back to their native countries because they have nothing left there, yet unable to go forward. They have applied to remain, spending thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers, but either been rejected because of quotas, or languished on waiting lists, praying for a miracle that never came.

What came was Sept. 11.

``If the INS wanted them back, they should have taken them a long time ago, not after 18 years,'' says the Sawans' cousin, Amina Sarkes, who came to the United States with her family in 1969 as a political refugee. ``They never committed a crime, never even got a speeding ticket, never were on welfare, always worked, always paid taxes. Wouldn't the United States want to keep people like that?''

That they may have lived otherwise upstanding lives, however, is besides the point, INS officials say, once they fail to comply with an order to leave. Far from seeing them as victims of circumstance, the INS considers them fugitives from justice.

``What (Sarkes) is saying is that, because her relatives have been able to get away this long, they should be home free,'' says Russell Bergeron, an INS spokesman. ``U.S. citizens with outstanding warrants are arrested in their homes every day. That's often the consequence of breaking the law.''

In the post-Sept. 11 world of politics, even many liberals unabashedly support enforcing outstanding deportation orders, even if they disagree with a judge's reason for issuing one.

``On an individual basis, many of these are sympathetic cases,'' says Rep. Barney Frank(D-Mass.). ``But if they've gone through the (appeals) process and still been denied, either you deport people or there's no point in having an immigration policy.''

At the Immigrants Assistance Center in New Bedford, Helena Marques sees the unintended consequences of immigration policy every day.

Marques runs a support group for women whose husbands have been deported and who have been forced to decide whether to go with them to a country that might be completely foreign to them and their American-born children, or to stay and try to hold on to whatever they might have left.

In some instances, the men were the sole breadwinners in their families, so when the women lost their husbands, they also lost their incomes, their health insurance and their homes.

``Their lives, and their children's lives, have turned completely upside down,'' Marques says.

Marques and other advocates see unsettling parallels between the arrest of immigrants whose sole offense has been failing to comply with a deportation order, and the interment of Japanese immigrants during World War II.

``It's not about justice; it's a policy based on a climate of fear,'' says Westy Egmont, who heads the International Institute of Boston, New England's largest immigration service agency. ``A tracking system that would require people who are here on visas to check in periodically would be fair and appropriate. But these (arrests) are broad-stroke judgments, with no humanitarian relief. We're reaching for straws so that we can feel like we're doing something as a nation.''

It has been nearly a month since Mohamed Mohamed, Eleanor's husband, was arrested at his Quincy home for failing to comply with a deportation order due to an expired visa. And although it is only a fraction of the time some other illegal immigrants have spent in Bristol County Jail, she has begun to wonder if it will ever end.

No one will tell her exactly when he will be deported. All she has been promised is 48 hours in which to pack his bags, but that she has already done.

Next week, their son Ahmed will turn 1. And if her husband has not been returned to Egypt by then, she will wait for his call from prison, and hold the phone up to Ahmed's ear.


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But in most cases, immigration advocates say, their only crime is that they remained here in the hope of eventually being granted asylum.

Their crime is violating immigration laws.

In many cases, they know only too well what terrorism and violence is like; it's the reason they fled their countries in the first place, and the reason they are more loyal to this place than some Americans are.

If they are so loyal & have so much to lose, then why didn't they comply with the law?

If the INS wanted them back, they should have taken them a long time ago, not after 18 years,'' says the Sawans' cousin, Amina Sarkes

The government did want them & has been trying to get rid of them. They should be happy they got to live the American dream in the Land of Opportunity for 18 years.

They never committed a crime

They are illegal immigrants, by definition they committed a crime.

How does an illegal alien buy a house & a gas station? Isn't a SS # &/or other documentation required?

1 posted on 06/17/2002 8:46:53 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Well said. Most Mexicans I have known who were illegal could NOT get a loan to buy a house or car. Had to save up and pay cash.

It is time for mass deportations. If not, Balkanization of the U.S. will occur and conflict will follow.

2 posted on 06/17/2002 8:51:45 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: gubamyster
It's about time.

It's about bloody time.

3 posted on 06/17/2002 8:54:17 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: lowbridge
Bump.
5 posted on 06/17/2002 8:58:43 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: gubamyster
``On an individual basis, many of these are sympathetic cases,'' says Rep. Barney Frank(D-Mass.). ``But if they've gone through the (appeals) process and still been denied, either you deport people or there's no point in having an immigration policy.''

WOW!!! Barney Frank in a rare moment of lucidity!!!!

6 posted on 06/17/2002 9:13:55 AM PDT by zarf
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To: gubamyster
``It's not about justice; it's a policy based on a climate of fear,'' says Westy Egmont, who heads the International Institute of Boston, New England's largest immigration service agency. ``

It's about finally correcting a long pattern of naive and destructive negligence against our immigration laws. America-hating immigrants came here and lived in our society then turned around to kill 3,000 of us. Blame your fellow immigrants, the rest of us don't want to hear it.

7 posted on 06/17/2002 9:19:24 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: gubamyster
``There's a human story behind every one of these cases,'' says Denis Riordan, acting district director of the INS Boston office.

Not to say that these people had anything to do with 9/11, but I would suspect each victim at the World Trade Center and Pentagon had a human story too. Unfortunately, we will never hear theirs.

8 posted on 06/17/2002 9:19:48 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: gubamyster
``On an individual basis, many of these are sympathetic cases,'' says Rep. Barney Frank(D-Mass.). ``But if they've gone through the (appeals) process and still been denied, either you deport people or there's no point in having an immigration policy.''

Since this sounds good, and since it's coming from Barney Frank, I assume this is a preparatory move on his part. Expect a future announcement that there is no point in having an immigration policy. People who oppose open borders will be branded as racists who hate children.

9 posted on 06/17/2002 9:19:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If not, Balkanization of the U.S. will occur and conflict will follow.

Hey mister weighed in the balance, this is just my opinion, but I believe Balkanization of the US has already occurred, and low level conflict has already been taking place. You are right, however, but the continued Balkanization and conflict will more than likely grow much worse, as time goes on. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I can't.

10 posted on 06/17/2002 9:25:08 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: HangFire; AnnaZ; abigail2; NewDestiny; rebuildus; Cortez; brat; MissAmericanPie; miss print...
illegal alien bump
11 posted on 06/17/2002 9:54:29 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: gubamyster
35 people have been arrested in Massachusetts, and nearly 700 have been arrested nationwide.

In the months ahead, INS officers will seek out another 115 in Massachusetts and an estimated 300,000 nationwide.

Not a pi$$hole in the snow compared to the total number of illegals in Massachusetts.

Time to round up all the Mexicans, Hondurans, Guatamalans, Brazilians, Columbians, Irish, etc.

It doesn't matter if these are good people or not, what matters is that they have broken our laws by being here illegally.

12 posted on 06/17/2002 9:58:07 AM PDT by metesky
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To: gubamyster
Bout damn time!
13 posted on 06/17/2002 10:04:01 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: Mark17
The thing is...it could still be reversed. All it takes is two things:

And it would not be terribly long, perhaps 30-50 years before the vast majority of balkanized immigrants were assimilated.

Unfortunately, there seems to be no will to do this.

14 posted on 06/17/2002 10:05:39 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: lowbridge
bump back at ya!
15 posted on 06/17/2002 10:07:22 AM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: metesky
Let's see, 700 people per week into 300,000 people is about 430 weeks... yup, the INS should clear its BLACKLOG OF ALREADY DEPORTED ILLEGALS in about 8 YEARS. Then they can start in on the 15 million illegals for which they have not issued deportation orders.

Bozos.

16 posted on 06/17/2002 10:08:18 AM PDT by eno_
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To: gubamyster
ain't she a disgusting whiney liberal author of this article?

SHIP 'EM BACK!!! WAY BACK!!

DEPORT 'EM ALL, FAST AND HARD!!!

17 posted on 06/17/2002 10:12:25 AM PDT by gitmogrunt
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To: lowbridge
The Sawans, Mankaryous and Saliba Kheirallah, a Norwood gas station owner and father of two, for example, are all Christians, a group that has suffered torture, rape and murder at the hands of Islamic extremists in their native Lebanon and Egypt, according to Amnesty International.
 
I know I'm a Twinkie on the topic, but this just breaks my heart. If only they were completely undocumented Mexicans there wouldn't be any issue here.
 
America-haters are one thing. They should all be deported -- the native born ones, too, LOL! -- but I can't get excited about sending these people back to hell.
 
Save the flames, it's just a bleeding heart. Nothing anyone says will change my stance. (Yes, I "get it", okay?)

18 posted on 06/17/2002 10:14:26 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: gubamyster
``It's not about justice; it's a policy based on a climate of fear,'' says Westy Egmont, who heads the International Institute of Boston, New England's largest immigration service agency

Just checked out the International Institute of Boston's website. It is a United Way agency. One more reason to pat myself on the back for refusing to support that leftist organization.

19 posted on 06/17/2002 10:21:27 AM PDT by PLK
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To: gubamyster
"Marques and other advocates see unsettling parallels between the arrest of immigrants whose sole offense has been failing to comply with a deportation order, and the interment of Japanese immigrants during World War II."
Horse feathers.
Sort of like killing a discussion by using the name Hitler. No similarities, just smoke to make people who aren't paying attention shocked.
20 posted on 06/17/2002 10:24:25 AM PDT by Grammy
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To: AnnaZ
But this is the great evil of equating illegal aliens with genuine refugees. The fact that we have let millions of Mexican citizens portray themselves as "victims" (of what? the failure of their own society?) and barge in here has created pressure to expel all - instead of maintaining a tolerable level of legal immigration which would allow for the vastly smaller numbers of true refugees.
21 posted on 06/17/2002 10:55:09 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: lowbridge, AnnaZ
This is an outrage. Muslims up for deportation should be sent packing first. This is all sabotage by the liberal scum who populate the INS in liberal Massachusetts. It would take the INS years to work through the list of Muslims up for deportation. My guess is the deportable Middle East Christians are more visible and easier for INS lard butts to find. 

All in all this is designed to embarrass GWBush and his war on terror. Mark my words! I am against illegal immigration but let's start at the top!

22 posted on 06/17/2002 10:57:17 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: gubamyster
``There's a human story behind every one of these cases,'' says Denis Riordan, acting district director of the INS Boston office. ``But they were afforded due process. They filed appeals, and the appeals were denied. It's no longer a matter of discretion.''

September 11th, 2001 saw to that.

The law is the law. They broke it, they should pay the price, period.

INS has another estimated 8,000,000+ of these types of cases to go. It's high time the illegals in this country left, either of their own volition, or by force.

Whichever, I don't care. My relatives came here by LEGAL means and followed the rules. It is an affront to them, and to me that illegals (of every nation) have been permitted to stay here as long as they have.

23 posted on 06/17/2002 11:15:26 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: dennisw
This is an outrage. Muslims up for deportation should be sent packing first.

Best don the asbestos suit now. Every time I say something similar, I'm called everything from a Nazi, to fascist to hate mongerer to isolationist.

But you're right! :)

24 posted on 06/17/2002 11:17:20 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: metesky
It doesn't matter if these are good people or not, what matters is that they have broken our laws by being here illegally.

What matters most is, our Government over the last 4+ decades has FAILED MISERABLY in securing our National Borders as part of providing for the Common Defense of our great nation.

Good people? Good people don't break laws. They stayed here ILLEGALLY. They knew what they were doing. In most cases, they were ORDERED to leave the country and failed. What happens to them now is exactly what they have coming to them. No more, no less.

25 posted on 06/17/2002 11:22:27 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: AnnaZ
Save the flames, it's just a bleeding heart. Nothing anyone says will change my stance. (Yes, I "get it", okay?)

No flame from me, I feel your pain (so to speak). I do wonder and worry about the case priorities being set by the INS. From the article, (and yes the author may not have and probably didn't choose representative cases and maybe excluded relevant information too), it does seem like the INS is doing reverse illogical profiling. Why pick on one 77 year old employed meteorologist basically minding his own business while ignoring thousands of groups of unemployed illegally drinking (because of the location) loitering illegal Mexicans harassing law abiding citizen pedestrians? And, it seems rather unlikely that the people chosen for deportation would be terrorist threats regardless of their origin country.

It kind of reminds me of a local school board that resists any attempt to cut spending by threatening to cut programs that about everybody wants to keep rather than cutting programs that about everybody wants to see go. Is some INS administrator using the same tactic? I.e., raising a ruckus by deporting a few apparently "good" illegals so that in the end they end up deporting almost nobody? If so, it seems to be working -- providing political ammunition for the illegal immigration advocates and the liberal press.

Of course, whoever is deported, the media will be there to put the sob slant on it. But, if we don't get and stay tough, this country will just turn into the place the immigrants are trying to escape -- guess it already has in several places. Maybe the thing to do is to use this as in: "Hey look, we deported some good ones already, it is only fair to go ahead and get the not so good ones out too". Probably too much to think that the INS actually planned it this way in order to squelch the profiling charges that will come up when/if they get to the real problems.

26 posted on 06/17/2002 11:49:35 AM PDT by bam
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To: usconservative
You know and I know. There is a certain science to deporting people. The INS in Mass. is just trying to embarrass GW and make a popular reaction to this all. Christian Lebanese and Arabs have been in Mass. for years. Not so with the Musli who are very late on the scene.
27 posted on 06/17/2002 11:51:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Regulator; dennisw
Thank you both for seeing my point and not flaming me.
 
And I agree with both of your replies.
 
These are not the people that need tossing. The ones cheering the falling of the towers wouldn't have provoked such a sympathetic response on my part, that's for sure.
 
And you're right, Regulator, about the numbers. Legitimate asylum seekers are the ones that are suffering. And, dennis, I concur. As Americans plead for the deportation of illegals they're thinking arrogant Saudis (for starters), not persecuted Christians. (Sad... they've fallen victim to militant Islamicism still, when you think about it.)

28 posted on 06/17/2002 11:55:12 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: gubamyster
Virtually all of them come from countries that U.S. officials have linked to terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda. But in most cases, immigration advocates say, their only crime is that they remained here in the hope of eventually being granted asylum.

Their only crime? I think not. Now for the rest of the article since I know where it's heading.

EBUCK

29 posted on 06/17/2002 12:01:15 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Mark17
REPLY to POST #8 Mark...I couldn't of said that better myself!
30 posted on 06/17/2002 12:04:57 PM PDT by 4America
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To: AnnaZ
The INS plays stupid on purpose!! Muslims are the problem, not Arab Christians who have contributed greatly to Massachusetts over the last hundred years. I am not exaggerating when I say Christian Arab roots are deep in Massachusetts.
31 posted on 06/17/2002 12:07:53 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: zarf
FYI...Barney Frank's district has been so gerrymandered that he represents a large ethnic Portughese-Cape Verdean immigrant population in Southeastern Massachusetts. This is an ethnic group that tends to play by the rules, are Americanized and English-speaking and respect their American citizenship while keeping ties open with Portugal. By all accounts, Barney Frank is highly regarded as doing a very good job representing this group and their concerns.

He's really a good representative and works to understand those he represents. (Flame away)

32 posted on 06/17/2002 12:25:24 PM PDT by grania
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To: B Knotts
And it would not be terribly long, perhaps 30-50 years before the vast majority of balkanized immigrants were assimilated.

Well, let's hope for the best.

33 posted on 06/17/2002 1:02:30 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: gubamyster
We here in the USA are nice folks, but we can't take in and feed the whole world. Let them turn their own countrys into the Gardens of Eden they want.

As far as the terrorists are concerned, it's too bad they ruined it for Persians in this country, but we have to keep our homeland safe. So we do what we have to, make the illegals ones go home pronto.

34 posted on 06/17/2002 1:09:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: gubamyster
Better late than never. Keep the deportations going, until hopefully, we rid this country of every last illegal. And, did you notice the typical liberal spin in this article? I don't feel sorry for these criminals, they broke our laws. Deport, deport, deport!
35 posted on 06/17/2002 1:19:24 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: lowbridge
A round 'em up - head 'em out bump!!
36 posted on 06/17/2002 1:25:39 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Actually, a lot of Mexicans do buy cars. They sometimes buy from car lots that carry the notes or in one instance of a large business (that employs many illegals) , the business owns a bank and finances the car for them with payroll deductions.

Auto insurance is another thing -------

37 posted on 06/17/2002 1:26:33 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Regulator
The fact that we have let millions of Mexican citizens portray themselves as "victims" (of what? the failure of their own society?) and barge in here has created pressure to expel all - instead of maintaining a tolerable level of legal immigration which would allow for the vastly smaller numbers of true refugees

Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. If it were not for the millions upon millions of illegal Mexicans, Peruvians, etc. here for purely economic reasons, I might have more sympathy for true refugees. These illegals are doing a lot of damage to the SW United States, and enough is enough, I'm sick of living in the foreign land my city has become these last ten years. Deport them all!

38 posted on 06/17/2002 1:30:35 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: bam
Well, I don't have any sympathy for these people. They are breaking our laws and we do not know why they were ordered deported in the first place. They can say it is just because they overstayed their visas, but I don't know.

Having said that, I do believe the government is going to round up the ones that will get the most sympathy and publicity so they can say public support is not there for deportation. They do this all the time. When complaining gets too loud about welfare, they take the saddest cases available, throw them off welfare and call the news media.

39 posted on 06/17/2002 1:33:49 PM PDT by nanny
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To: A CA Guy
We here in the USA are nice folks, but we can't take in and feed the whole world. Let them turn their own countrys into the Gardens of Eden they want.

Bingo!

40 posted on 06/17/2002 1:35:45 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: AnnaZ
Well, yes, these are the people who need tossing - along with millions of others.
41 posted on 06/17/2002 1:35:54 PM PDT by nanny
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To: gubamyster
``It's not about justice; it's a policy based on a climate of fear,'' says Westy Egmont, who heads the International Institute of Boston, New England's largest immigration service agency.

I guess Westy is going to have to find a real job now, instead of scamming us by keeping violators in the country.

You asked a good question, evidently illegals can buy homes, it's happening in my neighborhood, and I suspect that HUD is behind alot of it. We should suggest to congress a law that a complete check of SS# be done by a mortage company, especially HUD, and no illegal be allowed home ownership here.

42 posted on 06/17/2002 1:38:37 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: gubamyster
How does an illegal alien buy a house & a gas station? Isn't a SS # &/or other documentation required?

You silly goose! Those stupid rules only apply to native-born American citizens.

43 posted on 06/17/2002 1:40:32 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: dougherty
An interesting thought: when the U.S. had 100 million people, which I think was around 1910 or so, it was already regarded as one of the great nations.

Mexico has 100 million people now, and 40 million live in abject poverty while a tiny upper caste lives in regal luxury. No one except them and idiot multicutural apologists here calls Mexico a 'Great Nation' (well, I guess our president thinks so. Someday he'll tell us why).

They've got enough people. We've even shared the legal formula with them: private property, low taxation, the rule of law, a system of checks and balances. Still they fail. And we are supposed to give them our land and livelihoods? And elect guys from their country, or listen to their politicians? Why?

I mean, would anyone take investment advice from someone who's bankrupt?

44 posted on 06/17/2002 1:49:02 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
It's about bloody time

Well said.

46 posted on 06/17/2002 2:33:53 PM PDT by Jennikins
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To: nanny

Well, yes, these are the people who need tossing - along with millions of others.

I see and understand your position. However, I respectfully disagree.


47 posted on 06/17/2002 3:11:52 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: gubamyster;eternity
ping.....
48 posted on 06/17/2002 4:02:31 PM PDT by Dutchy
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To: dougherty
Thanks, as a Catholic I appreciate the Bingo as well. LOL
50 posted on 06/17/2002 5:36:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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