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Tonight on Alan Keyes is Making Sense: Stunning videos of Arab atrocities . . . [LIVE THREAD]
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Posted on 06/17/2002 6:54:04 PM PDT by Gelato

MSNBC to air clips Monday

Stunning videos of Arab atrocities and violence training - which are available only on WorldNetDaily.com - will be featured Monday night on MSNBC's "Alan Keyes is Making Sense."

The entire first half-hour of Keyes' groundbreaking show, which begins at 10 p.m. Eastern, will feature clips from "Israel and the War of Images" and "The Trojan Horse." These explosive tapes, made by French film maker Pierre Rehov, contain actual footage from Palestinian Authority television documenting Yasser Arafat's call for destruction of the Jewish people and annihilation of Israel. They also document the brainwashing of Arab children with attitudes of hatred and violence toward the Jewish people. . . .http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700788/posts


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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Oh, I have no doubt that you're right. If not there would be much more dissension within the Arab community and there would be outraged Muslims speaking out against these horrific acts, but their silence is deafening. The only thing they seem to speak out about is how they fear what other Americans may do to them and the government should protect them...and probably in many cases they are using our government to protect them so that they can turn on us at some point in the future. And one of the most revealing and disturbing things I have noticed with these "American" terrorist sympathizers, when they argue, they always refer to the foreign group in question as "we." In my opinion, this means that they identify more with the terrorists than they do with Americans.
51 posted on 06/17/2002 7:39:33 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: OldFriend
I love Allan, but he is only be "forced off the air" due to poor ratings. I voted for the man & I can barely watch the show. I watched tonight to see the videos, but he needs to be able to control the guests better. He needs to mute the fat boy!
52 posted on 06/17/2002 7:40:03 PM PDT by Feiny
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To: MassMinuteman
MSNBC.com down. Coincidence? Me thinks not.

That, or ineptitude.

:)

53 posted on 06/17/2002 7:40:40 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
I like it when Keyes uses the MLK example: no matter the injustice done to you, you are not justified in using evil tactics to fight it.

Not only that, but I can't really think off of the top of my head any examples in which violence has succeeded in fighting injustice (in my personal opinion, however, calling what is happening an injustice is going too far. Israel is just defending itself - if the Arabs had never attacked Israel, they wouldn't be in this mess nowadays). It is only through peaceful tactics, such as those by Ghandi and MLK, through which any lasting changes have been made.

54 posted on 06/17/2002 7:42:50 PM PDT by kevlinsky
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To: kevlinsky
I take it that you are making some anti-liberal remark, but could you elaborate?

The quality of information refuting a conservative view is never suspect. Never second guessed.

55 posted on 06/17/2002 7:43:27 PM PDT by MassMinuteman
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To: Rowdee
That was the most disgusting display...and for the teacher at the end to say, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo was tooooooo much!

Ditto. It's something any insane parent would want their child to watch.

And you're right: the U.S. government is keeping a tight lid on this.

56 posted on 06/17/2002 7:43:54 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
LOL!
57 posted on 06/17/2002 7:43:55 PM PDT by MassMinuteman
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To: feinswinesuksass
Actually, he is being forced off of the air due to complaints by numerous Arab groups. In addition, I think he controls the guests better than other shows do - perhaps there is more shouting on his show, but that is only because he is calling the b.s. when people spew it. So what is better control, having people lie on your show but it going unchecked, or when people argue when things deviate from the truth?
58 posted on 06/17/2002 7:45:29 PM PDT by kevlinsky
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Keyes has always been a stalwart friend of Israel, even in his days at the anti-Israel UN.

There is an Israeli petition you can sign to support the show:

To: To all the supporters of Israel Hello to all the supporters of israel. this petition is made in order to support what Mr. Alan keyes is doing. For people who do not know Alan, he is one of the biggest supporters of israelies and of israel in the whole media. He has a show called "Alan Keyes is Making Sense" in channel MSNBC every weeknight at seven.

By signing this petition, you are standing with what Alan Keyes is saying, and behind him. This petition is made in response to all of the people in the Palestinian population which make these suicide bombers and are supporting them.This is also in response to all the bad and bias E-mails that Alan Keyes is getting because he supports Israel.

Please stand with Israel and support the petition and may "Am Israel Chai"

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Sign HERE

59 posted on 06/17/2002 7:49:07 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: MassMinuteman
I see where you are headed, but it deviates from what I meant by "turning things around." What I meant is that Keyes would show the clip of Arab children singing about killing Israelis, and then Hussein saying "Oh, but Israeli children do the same." Similar logic is always used by pro-Palestinian sources whenever questioned about suicide bombings or other such atrocities (i.e. "It's only a response to the occupation" or "The Israelis also do it"). I don't think things are "turned around" in quite the same way when it comes to conservative issues.
60 posted on 06/17/2002 7:49:22 PM PDT by kevlinsky
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To: kristinn
Keyes is amazing at givng these scum a well deserved dose of truth. He absolutely doesn't put up with their BS, and that Hussein guy is the embodiment of BS.
61 posted on 06/17/2002 7:50:00 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: OldFriend
"Precisely why Keyes is being forced off the air"

I sure wish Fox would pick him up.

62 posted on 06/17/2002 7:52:39 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: kevlinsky
It is only through peaceful tactics, such as those by Ghandi and MLK, through which any lasting changes have been made.

As Ghandi said, if everyone lived by the rule "an eye for an eye," the whole world would be blind.

Of course, prudent self-defense is always justified.

63 posted on 06/17/2002 7:53:03 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Hey, the Canadian Guy's girlfriend is a Muslim - that should tell you something.
64 posted on 06/17/2002 7:54:11 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: feinswinesuksass
"He needs to mute the fat boy!"

LOL! I couldn't agree more. In fact, I wish he'd kill these guys' mics every they interrupt and won't shut up when they're told to.

65 posted on 06/17/2002 7:55:05 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: kevlinsky
I doubt the arab groups would have much pull if Alan were bringing in the cash for the ad spots. I tune out when the guests start talking over each other...way too annoying.
66 posted on 06/17/2002 7:57:22 PM PDT by Feiny
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To: kevlinsky
Actually, he is being forced off of the air due to complaints by numerous Arab groups.

And let's not forget them happy folks at GLADD:

GLAAD Targets Alan Keyes is Making Sense!

67 posted on 06/17/2002 7:58:30 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: kristinn
Posner was Phil Donahue's team-mate.....sad part was that Vlad sometimes made MORE sense than Phlly.
68 posted on 06/17/2002 7:59:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Gelato
..."And you're right: the U.S. government is keeping a tight lid on this"....

What a searing indictment of our government! Leave this to a third-rate cable television station....must be the American sheeple couldn't handle it?

69 posted on 06/17/2002 8:02:17 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: feinswinesuksass
I doubt the arab groups would have much pull if Alan were bringing in the cash for the ad spots.

Keyes gets the average viewership for any of MSNBC's shows. It looks like they thought he would wave a magic wand and bring in all the FOX News viewers overnight. It looks like they're showing their characteristic impatience, as CNN predicted would happen at the start of Keyes' show.

70 posted on 06/17/2002 8:03:09 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: kevlinsky
He's being forced off the air? Have you gotten information from MSNBC or the Keyes group that his show is being taken off the air? Or are you just assuming because of Donohue and others re-arranging the programming schedule, that he is bieng dropped?

I ama ware of the "Ahab the Arab' petition.

71 posted on 06/17/2002 8:04:47 PM PDT by Rowdee
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To: Rowdee
What a searing indictment of our government! Leave this to a third-rate cable television station....must be the American sheeple couldn't handle it?

Hey, it's either a conspiracy or ineptitude--or both.

That's my explanation in any tin-foil hat controversy. :)

72 posted on 06/17/2002 8:07:41 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Keyes gets the average viewership for any of MSNBC's shows.

Yes, but they expect above average ratings during Prime Time.

Actually, Keyes could have stayed in another time slot, but he declined that offer.

73 posted on 06/17/2002 8:08:31 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Gelato
His show is good, but not great. I watch it maybe once a week....probably less. I prefer his writings.
74 posted on 06/17/2002 8:11:54 PM PDT by Feiny
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To: Right_in_Virginia
FOX'S should trade Greta for Keys
and find a format like this where he shines!
His assessments of things are his forty!
75 posted on 06/17/2002 8:13:34 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Rowdee
He's being forced off the air? Have you gotten information from MSNBC or the Keyes group that his show is being taken off the air? Or are you just assuming because of Donohue and others re-arranging the programming schedule, that he is bieng dropped?

I think the assumption is that if MSNBC doesn't have enough commitment to the show to keep it in primetime, they won't make an effort to keep it on at all.

Who knows? At any rate, it wouldn't hurt to fight like the dickens to let MSNBC know you want the show on the air, in case it really is on the chopping block.

Have you signed the petition?

76 posted on 06/17/2002 8:16:55 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
It's reflexive. He's afraid someome will steal his food! were he and Nadler separated at birth?
77 posted on 06/17/2002 8:18:53 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Amelia
Yes, but they expect above average ratings during Prime Time.

If I recall correctly, Greta gets the same viewership, percentage-wise, that Keyes gets for that time slot.

At 10 ET, many viewers turn to their favorite sitcoms and dramas, and aren't always in the mood for news talkshows.

78 posted on 06/17/2002 8:21:24 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: sheik yerbouty
It's reflexive. He's afraid someome will steal his food! were he and Nadler separated at birth?

Sure seems that way. And the Arabs cry that Ibbish gets mistreated by Keyes.

Sheesh.

79 posted on 06/17/2002 8:25:09 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
I'd like to see the LYING Fat Boy produce some video showing Israeli children singing songs about killing Palestinians. Of course, it won't happen. Muslims LIE when confronted by the truth. They are sick and in the grip of a violent, hate-filled cult. It's OK for them to do so because their so-called prophet told them that allah condones DECEIVING the enemy (especially Jews) as well as enslaving or murdering them until all that is left is Islamic rule with its barbaric, medieval 7th Century sharia law.
80 posted on 06/17/2002 8:32:53 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: Gelato
Not sure about percentage-wise, but Greta gets at least 3 times as many viewers as Keyes does.
81 posted on 06/17/2002 9:42:52 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Rowdee
Future of "Alan Keyes is Making Sense" Uncertain!

From HERE

Dear supporter of "Alan Keyes Is Making Sense,"

MSNBC, in announcing their new programming line up, has left Alan's show out of prime time. They are intending to offer no conservative host in their evening programming. As grassroots activists who have benefited greatly from the truth and integrity that "Alan Keyes Is Making Sense" consistently affords its viewers, we are deeply disappointed by MSNBC's ill-advised action. We believe a time change out of their evening line up would severely limit the influence of the show, reduce its likelihood of succeeding, and send a message that MSNBC cares little about attracting new viewership.

Radical, pro-Palestinian web sites are publicly taking credit for intimidating MSNBC into this move. GLAAD and other homosexual activist organizations have also attacked the show and called for its removal.

If you care about the future of the show, please e-mail MSNBC and express your desire to keep the show on air during prime time. Let the network know that you consider Alan's show one of the smartest, hardest-hitting and most informative programs on television; that America needs Alan's brilliant and insightful analysis; and that the show's outstanding quality and honesty will guarantee a broad base of viewers over time as people continue to learn about it.

Let them know that you are an MSNBC viewer of this show NOW, and that their action is both a rejection of your loyalty to the show, and of the acceptance you have extended MSNBC because with this show they have offered frank, truthful commentary during this period of grave national challenge.

Write to:

Erik Sorenson

President

MSNBC

One MSNBC Plaza

Secaucus, NJ 07094

(201) 583-5000

E-mail: Erik.Sorenson@MSNBC.com

and copy the show AlanKeyes@MSNBC.com

and

Bob Wright

President

NBC

30 Rockefeller Plaza

New York, NY 10112

(800) 622-6397

Bob.Wright@NBC.com

We URGENTLY need your help to keep Alan's show in a sensible time slot!

Also, please make use of the various resources at www.RenewAmerica.tv. The site will continue to post updates and inside information about Alan's show; hands-on resources for dissemination at the grassroots; a "strategic plan" for renewing America; and other helps to Alan's supporters and viewers.

We would appreciate it if you would pass this message on to other viewers of the show--as well as encourage your friends to become viewers if they aren't already. Let's keep this unique and important show in prime time!

Thank you for your support.

82 posted on 06/17/2002 9:52:24 PM PDT by anapikoros
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To: Gelato
Ibbish was using a well-developed Soviet tactics - he substituted the word "Palestinian" with the word "Israeli" on every question and accusation. He readily agreed with Keyes on every accusation - only it was Israeli he blamed. Obviously it was an intentional and "approved" tactic - the official propoganda this show was designed to expose.

This reminded me of the old Soviet joke - American and a Russian were arguing about freedom of speech - when the American said he could stand in the square in front of the White House and yell that the president is a piece of sh**t and nothing would happen to him Russian replied that he too could stand on the Red Square in front of the Kremlin and yell that the American president was a piece of sh**t! :)

83 posted on 06/17/2002 10:09:01 PM PDT by Symix
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To: Amelia
Not sure about percentage-wise, but Greta gets at least 3 times as many viewers as Keyes does.

And every single show on FOX gets at least 3 times viewers of the MSNBC show on at the same time.

The entire network is in trouble.

(See: MSNBC Defends Move to More Talk--As opinion-driven Fox has surged into first place in the ratings race among cable news channels, and more straight-laced CNN has hired well-known on-air talent such as Connie Chung, MSNBC executives have been pleading for money from their corporate bosses, NBC and Microsoft, to make the station more than an embarrassing, money-losing also-ran.)

84 posted on 06/17/2002 11:07:13 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
The replay is on now.

BUMP!

85 posted on 06/17/2002 11:09:03 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: anapikoros
Radical, pro-Palestinian web sites are publicly taking credit for intimidating MSNBC into this move. GLAAD and other homosexual activist organizations have also attacked the show and called for its removal.

Thanks for posting this.

We can't let them win.

86 posted on 06/17/2002 11:17:07 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Watching the replay. Those videos were quite chilling. Minds full of mush being filled with such hate. Ugh, now here's Ibish with his Paleswinian spin.

Doubt we'd see those videos on Swill Donaspew's new show.

87 posted on 06/17/2002 11:19:02 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
You're right. I doubt we'll see anything like this anywhere else, particularly Keyes' response to Ibbish just now about being responsible for one's actions. It was excellent.
88 posted on 06/17/2002 11:25:42 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: CounterCounterCulture
What Ibish just said ("Try using logic") sounds an lot like the language of the Palestinian petition to remove Keyes' show.

Hmm...

89 posted on 06/17/2002 11:30:14 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Never forget, when demonic forces control your thought processes, lies become truth, and truth becomes lies. To a devil minded person, you can never convince them until they are in their right mind. In many cases, that can only happen by casting the devils out of person. What this world needs desperately is people who can instantly discern when a person is possessed, and cast out the devils with ease. Those people don't exist on earth, yet.

Jesus said: "heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils" and "then shall the end (of this world system) come". I hope fellow freepers are beginning to understand what the real battle of Armageddon will look like. It will be the destruction of the works of satan throughout the world by the Bride of Christ, the "church, which is His body".

90 posted on 06/17/2002 11:31:28 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: Gelato
an lot = a lot
91 posted on 06/17/2002 11:32:49 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Russell Scott
Jesus said: "heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils" and "then shall the end (of this world system) come". I hope fellow freepers are beginning to understand what the real battle of Armageddon will look like. It will be the destruction of the works of satan throughout the world by the Bride of Christ, the "church, which is His body".

And considering that the battle of Armageddon will be near Israel, we don't have to imagine the circumstances surrounding its beginning.

Thanks for the post.

92 posted on 06/17/2002 11:38:25 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
I missed the interview with Chuck Colson the first time around.

Not even FOX shows things like this, a serious discussion about religion.

93 posted on 06/18/2002 12:00:39 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Signed it! Thanks for the attempt to keep hope alive.
94 posted on 06/18/2002 12:13:26 AM PDT by rightofrush
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To: rightofrush
Signed it! Thanks for the attempt to keep hope alive.

Thanks! The supporters of the show outnumber the critics, but they've been quiet for too long. It's time to make some noise.

95 posted on 06/18/2002 12:20:27 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

PA Justice

W A R N I N G :  G R I S L Y  V I D E O S


Click here to see video (MPG)
Video (taken by PATV) of a "collaborator" caught by the PA secret service. Without any trial, this man was tied, laid down, and shot repeatedly by Pali gunmen. Gruesome!

Click here to see video (MPG)
Video (taken by PATV) of a "collaborator" caught by the PA secret service. Per a PA minister, he had an "honorable" half-hour trial: he was drugged, brought before an "islamic" cleric who listed his sins, said a couple of prayers for his dammned soul, and then taken out to the firing squad. After getting shot by several soldiers, one of them takes an automatic rifle, and gives him a pointblank head shot.

96 posted on 06/18/2002 1:04:35 AM PDT by My Identity
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To: rightofrush; Gelato
Perhaps you should also write to Dr. Keyes and beg him to take the afternoon time slot offered to him.

As I posted above, MSNBC is NOT cancelling the show, they were going to move it from prime time, but Dr. Keyes would rather lose the show entirely than lose the prime time slot.

I'm not sure what it matters, so many people tape shows and watch them at more convenient times now.

97 posted on 06/18/2002 5:07:53 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
From the look of it the MSNBC offer to move the show to the day time was a cursive one to satisfy the appearances. Keyes shows a lot of class going along with them while creating one classic show after another in the remaining days.
98 posted on 06/18/2002 8:45:58 AM PDT by Symix
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To: Gelato
I was shocked beyond belief by the little children chanting Jew hating statements! The look of hatred on their precious little faces! That was the most frightening aspect of the program.
99 posted on 06/18/2002 8:47:40 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Symix
Symix, my point is, MSNBC did NOT cancel the show; Dr. Keyes could have kept it if he'd agreed to a different time slot.
100 posted on 06/18/2002 9:09:20 AM PDT by Amelia
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