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Fanatical imams: group preaches hatred in Dutch mosques
In article ^ | June 14 and 15 2002 | Varoius

Posted on 06/19/2002 5:34:34 AM PDT by knighthawk

Fanatical Imams: Group Preaches hatred in Dutch Mosques
Dagblad Trouw, June 14 2002

AMSTERDAM - A group of fanatical imams preaches violence and glorify martyrdom in mosques in the Netherlands. Minister De Vries from Internal Affairs wants the DA-office to start and investigation.

Nova (Dutch newsprogram) aired recordings from Friday sermons in mosques in The Hague, Rotterdam, Tilburg and Amsterdam.

The Syrian imam J. Fawaz said in the Assoenah-mosque in The Hague: "If the United Nations says that everyone is the same, then I say: no. Muslims are better than other people. Also the laws of the UN that are the opposite of islam are heathen laws that must be oblitterated." The UN is regarded as a very anti-islamic organization amongst the extremists.

On the American president Bush and the Israeli prime-minister Sharon Fawaz says: "Destroy them for their sins." He also preaches: "Give your blessing to the mujahideen in Palestina, Kashmir, Chechnya, Afghanistan and the Phillipines." The imam Mahmoud El Shershaby, of Egyptian origine, comments about suicide bombings: "He who sacrifice themselves to Allah this way, is a martyr."

It has not been proven te imams incite to the use violence. But a spokesman from the AIVD (Dutch security organization) says: "These kind of texts create the foundation on which the recrutement for armed islamic war is based on." Minister De Vries commented: "A few messages is full of political incentives to call for hate. I think that people (muslims) need to look to their people and see what is being preached. The islamic community has got to say: this is what we don't want. That has to happen now."

Some of the invloved mosques draw hundereds of people, amongst them many youths. A number of imams are member of the committee that takes seat at the foundation El-Tawheed in Amsterdam. El Shershaby is it's chairman. That same foundation already came into view for it's extremism.

Radical Imams Preach martyrdom
De Volkskrant, June 14 2002, by Iñaki Oñorbe Genovesi

'Woman are allowed to go to the mosque and do groceries. But they must realize that is all, they must realize that they need to do the work at home.' Imam Jnied Fawaz of the As Soenah mosque in The Hague is confident. Woman musn't come out of the house too often. 'There will come only trouble out of them going outside.'

But muslimyouths must also be watched closely. They only speak about integration and going to discos. This is all wrong, according to Fawaz, who is already ten years in the Netherlands. Young people musn't be allowed to listen to music, but they need to learn Arabic or read the koran. 'There must be the creation of places where woman and youths keep themselves to islamic rules. Places were muslims can fullful in their own needs.' And for Westerns there is no room there, according to Fawaz.

Minister De Vries of Internal Affairs and mayor of The Hague, Deetman, asked the DA-office to investigate radical imams like Fawaz. Two programs from Nova, that made soundrecordings for months during Friday sermons. During those sermons, the imans displayed fierce anti-Western thoughts, called the listeners to beat their wives and plead for islamic 'parks' in the Netherlands.

These radical imams are united in the Foundation Islamic Committee for Ahl-Soennah in Europe, seated in Amsterdam with the mosque El Tawheed, who already was criticized for it's extremism. Also they are regualy meetings in their, mostly visited by Moroccans, mosques Essalam (Rotterdam), Ar Rahman (Amsterdam) and imam Fawaz' As Soenah-mosque in The Hague.

Fawaz (37) confirms the foundation excists. This foundation was founded in March 2001 to help muslims in the Netherlands with their problems, for example between men and their wives. In reality the foundation is also political active. Thursday evening they could be clearly heard in the Nova broadcast how imams also preached violence and martyrdom.

For a moment Fawaz lets the question if he is pioliticly active run through his head. Than his laughter is heard throughout the As Soenah-mosque. 'Of course, now politics are needed the most. Bush is trying to portray muslims as black sheep. Against this we must acts. Muslims will not be turned into slaves.'

Don't misunderstand the imam. He will not call for the use of violence. 'I cannot ask muslimyouths in the Netherlands to go and help their brothers in Palestina. By doing so they will also called refugees and criminals. And above all, islam does not ask it's believers to get killed.'

But Fawaz warns for the 'invisible hand that tries portray islam as bad'. They need to be taken care of with sturdiness. Why? Fawaz seriously says: 'Nothing may be of threat to islam.'

Imam Fawaz comments on the accusations
tNOS Teletext

Imam Fawaz from the Assoennah-mosque in The Hague says not to comprehand why there was so much commotion about his preaches that where aired Thursday in the newsprogram Nova. He was saying that he was calling to Allah to eleminate the enemies of islam. The Dutch government reacted shocked.

Nova Thursday aired how radical imams in The Hague, Rotterdam, Tilburg and Amsterdam called for jihad ('holy war') and said that muslim males could beat their wive. Fawaz defended himself on Friday in the same newsprogram.

"My words are always based on the assumption that I live in a society were all possible opinions are allowed. If laws are differet or are being used different, let them tell us this, so I can see just how far my freedom reaches", according to the imam.

Expulsion

CDA, VVD and LPF, that currently negociate about forming a coalition-government, reacted indignant about the program Thursdayevening. CDA leader Balkenende says the imams preachings are 'not acceptable'. LPF leader Herben goes further: "Such imams need to be deported. If that is not possible with the current laws, we will make it possible."

VVD Chambermember Rijpstra and D66 Chambermember Dittrich that mosques where these kind of preaches are made, can be temporary closed. If needed the imams could be deported. "The working- or stayingvisas of such people who are guilty of breaking Dutchs laws needs to be revoked", according to Rijpstra.

De Telegraaf adds:

Ticket

"If an imam breaks the law, he can get a one-way ticket back to Syria or Saudi Arabia, if you ask us. The majority of the muslimcommunity will also not approve of their behavior", according to LPF leader Herben. CDA leader Balkenede thinks that deportation will not solve the problem, because the imams will continue their harmful actions elsewhere.

Because a likewise lawsuit against the imam from a mosque in Rotterdam, El Moumni, became a total failure, there is not much believe in a new lawsuit. El Moumni, who said in his preachings that homosexuals are 'creatures lower than dogs or pigs', was recently acquitted from charges against him because these comments were made in the context of freedom of religion.

Manifestation Milli Gours in Arnhem
Spits, June 15 2002

ARNHEM (ANP) The Turkish Islamic organization Milli Gorus came together on Saturday for the yearly European manifestation in the Gelderdome in Arnhem.

Milli Gorus has close ties to the in Turkey outlawed Islamic Welfareparty of N. Ernakan. Erbakan has been forbidden to be politicial acitve in Turkey for it's fundamental views. Erbakan is also present in Arnhem and wil adress the crowd.

About 20.000 people, coming from all over Europe, gathered in the stadium. In 1998 there was a manifestation in the filled to capacity Amsterdam Arena where 40.000 people attended. In contrast to last year, the organization did not announce the meeting in public, at least not in the media. It has ot been clarified why there were no announcement made.


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1 posted on 06/19/2002 5:34:34 AM PDT by knighthawk
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Islam list.

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

2 posted on 06/19/2002 5:35:17 AM PDT by knighthawk
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3 posted on 06/19/2002 5:37:54 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Isn't the phrase "fanatical imam" redundant?
4 posted on 06/19/2002 5:40:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: knighthawk
And above all, islam does not ask it's believers to get killed

Well, that's certainly a relief.

5 posted on 06/19/2002 5:46:06 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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6 posted on 06/19/2002 6:52:06 AM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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7 posted on 06/19/2002 7:00:11 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: knighthawk
Did Nova run the program because the new government is coming in? How are socialist papers like De Volkskrant handling this story?
8 posted on 06/19/2002 7:43:35 AM PDT by aristeides
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Nova has been working for months on this program. Rumors are they never aired it months ago because it would make Fortuyns case and drive voters to him.

Also Marcel van Dam, former PvdA-minister (a socialist at hart, pro-Palestinian, anti-Fortuyn (he called Fortuyn Eichman and untermench, also a convited fraud and liar) who also has his own 'discussion program' on the VARA (the PvdA broadcaster who airs Nova), managed to fire some Nova reporters.

The story goes he want to start an all out offensive against right-winged thoughts.

The Volkskrant reported it, but I will look into it some more.

9 posted on 06/19/2002 8:02:01 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
I want on the Islam list.
10 posted on 06/19/2002 8:03:15 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: knighthawk
I want on the Islam list.
11 posted on 06/19/2002 8:03:17 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: knighthawk
Do you have the famous picture of Zarmina being executed in the Kabul stadium by the Taliban?

That is the true face of islam, how it behaves when unchecked. It is what muslims will bring to every nation if they are not stopped.

Radical Islam is an insane death cult, and "moderate" Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.

12 posted on 06/19/2002 8:21:18 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: knighthawk
Muslims are better than other people.

Young people musn't be allowed to listen to music,

My words are always based on the assumption that I live in a society were all possible opinions are allowed.

Of course, if we lived in your society, no opinions would be possible at all, imamoborg.

Don't be fooled by the denial of violence as a tactic.

They need to be taken care of with sturdiness. Why? Fawaz seriously says: 'Nothing may be of threat to islam.'This is as blatant a call to violence to 'defend' the faith as possible. Gulllible, naive apologists for islam will be taken in by these so called statements 'denouncing' violence but its incomprehensible to me that people are fooled, nevertheless.

Maybe FBI Director Mueller could come give a speech as he's about to give one to the American Muslim Council.

13 posted on 06/19/2002 8:37:18 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: knighthawk
Marcel van Dam quite frankly should move to an Islamic nation, rather than do his damnedest to transform the Netherlands from a European nation to an Islamic nation. My proposal would make everyone happy (except for the hapless Islamicists who would find a socialist like van Dam foisted upon them; not even Muslims deserve that.)- the Dutch people could keep their homeland, and Mr. van Dam could go directly to the Islamic paradise he seems to love, and not have to wait 50 years for the Netherlands to become one.
14 posted on 06/19/2002 8:37:54 AM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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imamoborg

Now that's funny!

15 posted on 06/19/2002 10:00:28 AM PDT by facedown
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To: knighthawk
Holland bump
16 posted on 06/19/2002 11:40:21 AM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Travis McGee

Link to the full report and video: RAWA

The full story:
ZARMINA'S STORY

17 posted on 06/19/2002 1:52:02 PM PDT by knighthawk
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Thanks!
18 posted on 06/19/2002 4:39:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: knighthawk
CDA leader Balkenende says the imams preachings are 'not acceptable'.

Oooooh, next he'll be saying they're "inappropriate," and then they'll get what-for.

19 posted on 06/19/2002 5:24:23 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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My husband and I read the articles you provided links for. He is now in the other room ranting about how the Netherlands is doomed. When we lived there, we were aware of the Morrocans and radical Turks and were warned to stay away from certain parts of Amsterdam, and we did have that encounter with the pickpoctets who stole all our documents including our passports and birth certificates. We went to the police, my husband identified one of them, but nothing was done. Unfortunatly, it sounds like things have really deteriorated in the past 6 years since we lived there. A lot of Dutch people were proud of their "successful" multicultural society, but we had bad feelings about it because of the crimes commited by these people, and the way they wanted to change Dutch society.

It's unbelievable how they move to Holland to take advantage of the generous social system, yet they speak of how evil Holland is and how it must change to suit their religion. I truly believe they have a different psychology, sort of like the difference between a poodle and a pit bull. It is very disturbing to hear about this.

20 posted on 06/20/2002 2:46:23 AM PDT by DBtoo
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To: Travis McGee
I read the Zarmina story last night; it stuck in my mind for a long time. It truly is a death cult. The islamics are a huge threat to western civilization; they won't be satisfied until they destroy us all.
21 posted on 06/20/2002 2:52:00 AM PDT by DBtoo
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It went bad allright.

I don't know if you saw the local and national elections, but the opposition and new parties won big. The parties governing Holland for the last decade lost big time.

The Moroccan-hugging PvdA (socialists) lost half their voters (falling from 45 seats to just 23!), just like the D'66 (left-liberals). The VVD (right-liberals) lost a lot of voters to.

The anti-immigration party from Pim Fortuyn and the conservative CDA got all these voters because they promised to do something about the unsafety and they are opposed to the multicultural society, next to lessening immigration.

22 posted on 06/20/2002 3:39:12 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: DBtoo
It's true that they won't be satisfied until they destroy freedom, but they will not succeed.

This worldwide Jihad is the last ditch effort "Bansai Charge" of a spent and worthless pseudo religion coming to grips with its failure.

They can hurt us, yes. But they will be destroyed. They can't drink oil.

23 posted on 06/20/2002 9:14:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: knighthawk
Woman musn't come out of the house too often. 'There will come only trouble out of them going outside.'

Well at least they're not all bad. They have some good ideas too :)
24 posted on 06/22/2002 6:49:21 PM PDT by Michael2001
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Maybe Pim's death wasn't totally in vain after all. Hopefully it woke up a lot of people, which it looks like it may have. I try very hard sometimes to understand these socialists who want to fill the country with Morrocans, but I can't. I don't understand their intentions, unless they are passive-aggressive sorts who enjoy spoiling societies. Hillary Clinton has that mentality. Sort of like a mean streak. Do you notice how those types have no sense of humour?

I am glad the socialists are out. I hope they can deport some of the trouble-makers, especially those Morrocan pickpoctets, rapists, and thieves. I just don't understand how this was ever allowed to happen in the first place. I'm glad the Dutch are finally waking up. I guess they have discovered it's not worth having to live in fear.

25 posted on 06/23/2002 12:50:13 AM PDT by DBtoo
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