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Chris Lehane: DWI Story Cost Bush Popular Vote
NewsMax.com ^ | Wednesday June 19, 2002; 12:19 p.m. EDT | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 06/19/2002 9:46:05 AM PDT by Jean S

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To: colorado tanker
As opposed to untruthful facts?

Well, now, there's the rub, isn't it?

51 posted on 06/20/2002 5:21:41 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: colorado tanker; billhilly
Whoops.....my post to you was meant for billhilly!
52 posted on 06/20/2002 5:22:24 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I see the 2004 camapign has started early. It would have been so nice to go through at least one season without the nastiness, but alas, they are already appearing on almost every thread.
53 posted on 06/20/2002 5:39:27 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: BlackRazor
Meanwhile, while Bush is taking it easy, you had Al Gore working his a*s off on a 48-hour whirlwind tour of several swing states. Rove got complacent at the end, and it nearly cost them.


This is not correct. GWB spoke to the same number of audiences as Gore. Your memory of those days is from the ABCCNNMSNBC interpretation of how hard each candidate was working. That and the cameras showing how much Gore was sweating!
54 posted on 06/20/2002 5:50:13 AM PDT by maica
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To: BlackRazor
One thing that really bothered me was how Bush basically took off the final two days before the election.

Source, please.

55 posted on 06/20/2002 5:57:27 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: maica
*Sigh*
56 posted on 06/20/2002 5:58:52 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I guess Black Razor hit the same nerve with both of us.
57 posted on 06/20/2002 6:01:13 AM PDT by maica
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To: Howlin
Selective amnesia?
58 posted on 06/20/2002 6:08:07 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: KC_Conspirator
Isn't it amazing that Gore paraded through a temple collecting money from monks and nuns and the Democrat voters did not care? Gore allowed Maria Hsia to take the fall? He stood back and watched a female take it on the chin while he lied about the entire scam? Senator Toricelli of NJ watches a women fundraiser be found guilty of finding him illegal money. He also watched a man go to jail for finding him illegal money. Would someone explain to me how a politician is given a Mercedes, custom suits, Rolex and money and only the donor is guilty?

GW Bush has a DWI from 3 decades ago and bottom feeders blast fax it? Maybe someone ought to blast fax a few Democrat issues?

59 posted on 06/20/2002 6:12:50 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: JeanS
How can a rational thinking person be so unsure of which party they will support in the last 2 days of a huge national campaign, that they will switch their vote over something this small ??????
61 posted on 06/20/2002 6:18:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Nonstatist
Getting it out early is key. I know many liberals who couldn't believe it was even an issue so many years after the fact - those who practice an anything goes lifestyle find that pretty tame stuff.

IMO with more time to reflect that would have been the reaction of most undecideds but with only a few days left they let their emotions effect their vote.
62 posted on 06/20/2002 6:22:23 AM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: begtodiffer
No, you posted two pieces of crap with specious articles. Hardly mainstream.

And yes, you did MENTION Ann Coutler saying "So Bush had a DUI 24 years ago, stole a hotel wreath as a fraternity prank and got rowdy at a Yale-Princeton football game in college? Fine" but you didn't produce a SOURCE for that quote, now, did you, which puts us in the position of having to decide whether YOU are a credible source or not, and judging from your other posts on this forum, I'd say you're here with ill will in your heart.

And if that is, in fact, from Coulter, can you not READ??? College pranks? A wreath and a football game?

Do you possibly consider those ARRESTS that warrant the kind of distain you posted in your original reply?

Shall we take a look into YOUR past life, or are you yet another perfect conservative come along to pass judgment on your fellow Republicans?

63 posted on 06/20/2002 6:29:42 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Let's Roll
IMO with more time to reflect that would have been the reaction of most undecideds but with only a few days left they let their emotions effect their vote.

Oh, don't forget to factor in the holier-than-thou conservatives who immediately decided Bush was the devil himself for that SIN. They didn't vote for him either.

65 posted on 06/20/2002 6:32:00 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin; maica
No source. This statement was based purely on my memory of personal observations and impressions at the time. I remember being upset with Bush at that time. As another poster indicated in Message 54, perhaps I was duped by the media coverage of the two campaigns. But I seem to remember Bush heading back to his ranch for a day off during the final weekend before the election. Meanwhile, I distinctly remember the coverage of Al Gore's pre-dawn rallies in Florida, etc, and how he was not getting any sleep, etc. I will try to find a confirming source this evening - I'll post if I find something.
66 posted on 06/20/2002 6:32:02 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: begtodiffer
I'm not hiding from anything; do you see me deny it? You are the one who insinuated he should burn in hell for college pranks and a drunk driving ticket -- which is what that was back then, in case you don't know. It wasn't quite the big deal it is today.
67 posted on 06/20/2002 6:35:54 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Quilla
You are so right! It, of course, had NOTHING to do with the Gore campaign though. /sarcasm off.
68 posted on 06/20/2002 6:43:36 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: BlackRazor
And I'll try to find something, too. I do seem to remember Bush going to the ranch, but I thought it was a week or so before. We'll both check to get the facts right, okay?
69 posted on 06/20/2002 6:44:35 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: oldironsides
GW Bush has a DWI from 3 decades ago and bottom feeders blast fax it?

Remember, the typical voter doesn't get very far past the headlines. The headlines were reading "Bush Arrested for DWI". Only if you took the time to read the story did you find out it was 30 years ago.

It was well known that Bush not only had a drinking problem, but that he was pretty wild (pary wise) earlier in his life. A DWI fit right in with that pattern. He had turned around his life and put all that behind him. The headline put doubts in some people's minds that he had really put all that behind him (because there was no time frame of when the DWI occurred in the headline.)

Had the Bush people put all that on the table early in the campaign, it would have been a non-issue.

70 posted on 06/20/2002 6:48:31 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Howlin
That is exactly right -- there was NO arrest in the drunk driving incident. In 1976, the penalty was a ticket -- a moving violation.
71 posted on 06/20/2002 6:52:01 AM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Clara Lou
Chris Lehane is a little puke.

And strangely enough, he is a little puke from Kennebunkport, Maine. Imagine that.

73 posted on 06/20/2002 6:57:30 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: Paul In Cape Two
Tom Connolly.............

Oh Gawd, the hat, the hat, ...

I had managed to forget about that stupid damn hat.

Till now.

74 posted on 06/20/2002 6:58:52 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: begtodiffer
I am simply saying that you FELL for the Democratic spin on this one; granted, Bush should have come forth with it sooner, but, IMO, he had a valid reason not to -- his daughters.

And in 1968, a DWI was NOT a serious charge.

And if it bothered you so much, you shouldn't have voted for him.

75 posted on 06/20/2002 7:04:43 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: mille99
George W. Bush was responsible for the effect of that story. He should have 'fessed up MONTHS before. Anyone with a brain knew the Dems were looking for any dirt and would wait till the most opportune time to use it. They were the opposition....it was their job and they did it well.

My recollection is that it had come out in a long form PBS interview that Bush had done months before. I agree it's important to get it out, but Rove didn't need to wave a flag about it.

It really points out the lazyness of political reporters that the facts had to be shoved under their noses before they jumped on it.

76 posted on 06/20/2002 7:04:49 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: RedWhiteBlue
We are old, eh???.........LOL. Many of my friends got them in Chapel Hill!
77 posted on 06/20/2002 7:05:53 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: begtodiffer
The third arrest -- a fairly serious crime -- drunk driving.

Seriously? A fairly serious crime?

Not at the time in America. In fact, in the sixties you could drive drunk in New England, race off a bridge, watch your date drown, and not do anything about it till the next day. Lie about it, get off scott free and go on to become a leader in the Senate.

Bush was actually stopped for driving to slow. Let's not ascribe today polital correctness to events that happened 30 years ago.

BTW, welcome to FreeRepublic. If you are going to throw firebombs, be prepared to source them.

78 posted on 06/20/2002 7:09:09 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: begtodiffer
The Guardian? You forgot the part about the Bush family supporting the Nazis in WWII.

I'll give you the same comment I used to get for sourcing 'The American Spectator' on Dem sights.

"You can't be serious, they are all known Bush haters."

79 posted on 06/20/2002 7:13:15 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: JeanS
Chris Lehane gives this more credit than it deserves, probably because the idea sprang from his demented and atrophied little mind.

Most people I know recognized it for what it was. I don't believe it had any significant effect.

80 posted on 06/20/2002 7:13:46 AM PDT by CaptRon
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To: hchutch
And just think, they wanted (evan Chr.) Gore and the Evil Dums to win. Islam would be well on it's way to controlling the world. Algore and the evil Dums would be holding memorial services to this day . Not flushing the rats from their caves.
82 posted on 06/20/2002 7:17:48 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Ditto. But somehow it's improtant to the reality-benders.

I like to hit them with the analogy of the World Series. Best of seven. One team wins the first game by 10 runs but looses the next four games by one. Who wins?

The popular vote is like the total number of runs in the World Series. And just as relevant to the final outcome.

83 posted on 06/20/2002 7:25:14 AM PDT by 5by5
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To: hchutch
"This fits with the theory I have. The DWI story probably was as big a factor as the number of evangelical Christians who may have sat 2000 out."

According to RNC polls over 4 million Evangelical Christians DID stay home on election day.

84 posted on 06/20/2002 7:35:19 AM PDT by painter
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To: begtodiffer
In fact he was arrested THREE times: The first arrest of George W. Bush was for theft at a hotel. The second arrest was for disorderly conduct at a football game. The third arrest -- a fairly serious crime -- drunk driving.

The third arrest was not a "serious " crime in 1968; people were almost routinely pulled over and given a warning and sent on their way in those days, especially for .12 alchohol blood level.

The other two "arrests" were college pranks. All the brouhahah that accompanied Bush and the relentless, hypocritical leftist attacks on him will have no potency this time around, will they? And the fact that Gore was an adult pot smoker, and his kids had all this "trouble" with the law, had little impact because some of it was old news and he was well known.... Lefties will have to come up with something else this time.

85 posted on 06/20/2002 7:54:43 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Clara Lou
Chris Lehane is a little puke.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The reason President Bush "lost" the popular vote is that the dead and illegal and prison vote and the multiple votes were counted while military votes and regular ordinary taxpayer votes were not counted at all or only once (the "old fashioned honest" way to do it).

MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD IS WHY THE ELECTION WAS EVEN CLOSE!

86 posted on 06/20/2002 7:57:15 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: PhilDragoo; Howlin; rintense; ohioWfan; Wphile; homeschool mama; Brad's Gramma; olliemb; terilyn; ..
(Just wanted to ping some people over here)

Your post #28 is brilliant. Bookmarked. Kept.

We should all be keeping a database full of "facts" as you have provided - and others do so well.

IF A DEMONCREEP IS TALKING, THEY ARE LYING!

And, by the way - Hillary now has billboards!

I WANT BILLBOARDS!!!! HOW CAN WE UNITE TO PUT SOME UP?

87 posted on 06/20/2002 8:07:34 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: palo verde
There is no question that the DWI story was deliberately timed and executed. It ruptured the Bush momentum completely. The Bush people should never have allowed this story to surface at the end and reflected absolute incompetence.

This issue could have been disposed of months before with candidate Bush getting in front of this issue, admitting all to some high school students at a school assembly.

88 posted on 06/20/2002 8:13:48 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: palo verde
There is no question that the DWI story was deliberately timed and executed. It ruptured the Bush momentum completely. The Bush people should never have allowed this story to surface at the end and reflected absolute incompetence.

This issue could have been disposed of months before with candidate Bush getting in front of this issue, admitting all to some high school students at a school assembly.

90 posted on 06/20/2002 8:14:13 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: JeanS
That, and the voting fraud.
91 posted on 06/20/2002 8:17:17 AM PDT by truthkeeper
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To: JeanS
Hmmmmmm...the released 'DWI' story didn't help Gore win his home state of Tennessee and its electoral votes. The electoral votes that would have made the Florida 'taint' moot.

Guess Tennesseans did know Al best.


94 posted on 06/20/2002 8:35:35 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: begtodiffer
And in the 1920's lynching was not a serious crime either. The people are still victims of murder. They are no less dead.

Oh yea? And this is related to cost of coconauts in what way?.. Sounds like polemic revisionism to me.. The current hysteria and hyperbole about drunk driving did NOT exist in 1976; take it or leave it, I'm not defending it or deriding it, but it's a fact. Bringing it up and putting your subjective and biased spin on it (a .12 blood level and driving too slow) is dishonest.

And like I said, Bush is now "known", so this character assasination regarding his "drunkeness" and "arrest record" has no currency , even among the under-educated and amnesiac polity of the masses.

95 posted on 06/20/2002 8:53:37 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Clara Lou
AND a moron. If a twenty+ year old DWI story had this effect, is he saying that if it hadn't been for all the stories about Gore's intellectual retardation and Clinton's adultery and other crimes, Clinton/Gore would have been elected G-d by 110% of the voting public?
96 posted on 06/20/2002 8:57:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The DWI may not have hurt Bush in Tennessee, but it hurt tremendously everywhere else. It wrecked the momentum going into the final weekend, and it gave undecideds a reason to vote for the incumbent (Gore), which is very unusual.
97 posted on 06/20/2002 8:59:07 AM PDT by mwl1
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To: Quilla
Didn't Lehane's sister work for someone there in Maine? I think I remember something happening there.
98 posted on 06/20/2002 5:05:01 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: Vineyard
Explain to me why the libertarians would rather have democrats in the congress than conservative Republicans? I think that if they are for no government or no taxes ,etc. that the Republican party would be the party closest to their views and not the democratic party.
99 posted on 06/20/2002 5:09:22 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: eureka!
As discussed at the time, it and the network's early calls. The vote fraud by the Rats also padded some numbers as well. As to the DWI, it was the presshole's "why didn't W tell us, can he be trusted?" mantra for 4 days. In short, they raised a Clinton question as to W's honesty and it almost worked. Zogby picked the 2-1 break for Gore by undecideds, hence his accuracy. Too dang close for comfort, IMHO....

This wouldn't have even been an issue if Karl Rove and friends hadn't stupidly decided they could keep that story under wraps. Geez, it actually would have fit in perfectly with Dubya's bio. He had a drinking problem, as evidenced by a DWI in '76, and he quit drinking for good at age 40 and turned his life around.

100 posted on 06/21/2002 6:50:28 PM PDT by Coop
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