Liberty Is Overrated--Safety Should Be Our First Concern*

Ever Vigilant ^ | 06-19-2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

[A CA Guy]

They are willing to get themselves killed if they take you with them.

Remember one of the first Homicide killers Sirhan Sirhan, was the first Muslim to bring the classic religion-of-peace to American shores, when, in support of the Palestinians, he assassinated Robert Kennedy.

[dcwusmc]

You're right about one thing. He IS a goober! Read his 151 if you can stomach it!

[Kerberos]

"Would you stick with Frankin on this?" There never was a good war or a bad peace Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790

I don't necessarily see a problem with it.

[Texasforever]

LOL. Peace at any cost. I love it.

[Demidog]

You've outdone yourself Lee. Great work.

[Demidog]

America today can not have that happen.

What do you call Waco, Ruby Ridge and the M.O.V.E. bombing in Philadelphia? (Wasn't it Philly?)

America can have that happen. The burning and gassing to death of Americans happened at Waco. And it was not suicide contrary to whitewash investigations headed by the good Republican Danforth...

[Kerberos]

"LOL. Peace at any cost. I love it. "

Obviously, you didn't understand the statement.

[Demidog]

I have to pay estimated tax.

LOL. Have you ever bothered to look up the definition in the IRS code of a "self-employed" person? It is defined as somebody who holds "public office."

Ever been elected to public office?

[Texasforever]

Sounds very straight forward to me. Are you saying that Old Ben did not mean it that way?

[Kerberos]

:Sounds very straight forward to me. Are you saying that Old Ben did not mean it that way? "

Well let's look at it this way. Given the choice would you rather live in a country that was at war, or would you rather live in a country that was at peace?

[A CA Guy]

They were bad things and no institution is perfect all the times.
How many times have our armed forces bombed our own troups?
Was that a plan to due that or did good intentions go bad?

One of the followers at Waco was a brother-in-law to a cousin back east and I many times told them to get away from that nut case in Waco before it came down crashing.
My cousin begged them to get out long ago because they had the logical mind to know it was a flakey cult. They didn't listen and died.

A sad end to be sure.

[BluesDuke]

If history is any indication, every civil liberty you give up now will be promptly restored once this war is over. That's a promise.

Somehow, even as I pray the war is won, I cannot help but say that I will believe it if and when I see it.

The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey - undiluted and untaxed. - Sen. Sam J. Ervin (what can I say, once in awhile even a Democrat can commit wisdom, rare - perhaps extinct - though said Democrat be...)

[A CA Guy]

I agree about the borders stillbornagain and can't see another decade go before they are closed up.
The Laden family are not all terrorists. It was Bin that was trouble and our cooperation with Pakistan is OK, but Pakistan has itself no control over the area where Bin Laden slipped through. It is controlled by war lords.

What connections between Bush and the Saudi's? Do they belong to the same oil union because he owned an oil company? Was that the big connection?

What was the connection? No other normal American or American company were acting in the same manner?

I ask because to have contact in the oil industry when you are an oil company owner does not seem weird at all to me.

[A CA Guy]

Self-employed is a term used here on FR that is a well known as a definition of person in a business for themselves.

We all have to re-evaluate English into the language of the IRS when dealing with those level 13 types and their forms.
Boy do I ever agree with you there.

I'm afraid in Spirit politicians are self-employed as you say as well. Sad!

[A CA Guy]

Or go ahead and just make 3000 amendments instead of interpreting intent each generation!

[Demidog]

I'm afraid in Spirit politicians are self-employed as you say as well.</>

Truth is stranger than fiction. The only people required to send in estimated tax are "self-employed" and those are defined as "a person holding public office."

I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't looked it up and read it myself.