Guns...For the Children

Sierra Times ^ | Lewis J. Goldberg

[Destructor]

"Most of the felons I've known....pot smugglers mostly....are EXACTLY the kind of folks I want around me WTSHTF."

Well, I hope their problems don't come knockin' on YOUR door! FYI: Don't lecture me about livin' in the South, 'cause I'm a Southerner myself. Reckon we live on opposite sides of the tracks!

[Destructor]

"True, but does the law against it stop any that want a firearm from having one? Besides even convicted felons are subject to the predation of other criminals, whether they have gone straight or not. It is immoral to remove such protections as they have in prison, while denying them the means to protect themselves."

All that Law does is give the Legal System another tool to put people away a little longer, once they re-offend. There aren't a lot of people in Society that are willing to hire ex-cons. It is almost inevitable that most of them will commit new crimes.

As for the morality of denying firearms to felons I guess that's a matter of opinion. Personally, I feel that all we'd really be doing is arming them to commit new crimes. There have to be consequences for those who choose to break the Law.

[Destructor]

"But you have your FEELINGS and I have my reasons. BTW, your home page makes it look as if you have a very thin skin and get your feeling hurt quite a bit. Odd thing for someone who invites flames."

You're probably one of the very jerks that I was talking about! Sorry to disappoint you, by taking my e-mail address off of my page. Guess you'll have to get your jollies by kicking your dog, or some other sick fashion.

FYI: I've got a very thick skin, and what's more- I don't give a damn what you think! You know what you can do with your opinion.

[stainlessbanner]

Stainless is good.....heh heh

[packrat01]

There was a line of common decency when once crossed, got one of the parties killed or injured. Today's 'professional pinkunderwearmen' cringe at the thought of such behaviour, preferring instead the system ...

much the same reaction from today's un-professional brownunderwearmen; Dems and actors...

[stainlessbanner]

I got ya - sometimes the pic would load, sometimes not; I had to refresh a few times. That's a cool picture. I saw a pic from skunkworks of the c130j fully loaded with almost all of it's arsenal firing. They say it actually stalls the plane when they all fire - that's some power!

[Just another Joe]

An armed society is a polite society!!

BUMP

[Eagle Eye]

Sorry, I'm not one of those to whom you refer.

You post your FEELINGS, invite flames, then get your panties in a wad when someone sends heat your way.

Prissy people shouldn't express their FEELINGS about their fright of guns on gun threads.

[Eagle Eye]

Personally, I feel that all we'd really be doing is arming them to commit new crimes

The FACTS are that criminals get guns regardless of the laws. "We" wouldn't be arming anyone, just giving 'permission' to those that wanted to arm themself for lawful means. That includes their families as well. Currently they are prohibited from having arms that the felon 'might' be able to get.

By the time we prohibit felons (and their families), anyone who has had psychological treatment (and their families), anyone with PAST misdemeanors that have been since upgraded to felony status (and their families), anyone involved in ANY domestic disturbance (and their families), or anyone else otherwise prohibited (and their families), we have eliminated a large part of the population from leaglly keeping and bearing arms. This in a country that says the the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Sorry if I hurt your FEELINGS.

[wardaddy]

I believe felons who've done their time should not lose their RKBA. You do not feel that way. You are wrong.

Simple as that. LOL

BTW, Austin is barely Southern these days.

[Destructor]

"BTW, Austin is barely Southern these days."

Bullshit! We may be the Liberal armpit of the otherwise great State of Texas, but make no mistake about it- this is still the South! We have Confederate monuments all over town, and a firestorm of controversy surrounding each one! Texas was a part of the Confederacy, if you will recall your History. Austin is the Capital of the State of Texas. On that score- you are wrong!

[wardaddy]

I must confess....I do admire your ardent defense of Southerness in your fair city. I wouldn't dare quibble with that.

There's always some common ground to be found.

Regards

[Destructor]

"Sorry, I'm not one of those to whom you refer."

No, you're jus a run of the mill @$$hole!

"You post your FEELINGS, invite flames, then get your panties in a wad when someone sends heat your way." Prissy people shouldn't express their FEELINGS about their fright of guns on gun threads."

I'm not afraid of guns. I'm a vet, and I own several guns. "Prissy people?" What exactly does that mean?

[Destructor]

Sorry man. As you know that's a point of pride!

[Destructor]

"By the time we prohibit felons (and their families), anyone who has had psychological treatment (and their families), anyone with PAST misdemeanors that have been since upgraded to felony status (and their families), anyone involved in ANY domestic disturbance (and their families), or anyone else otherwise prohibited (and their families), we have eliminated a large part of the population from leaglly keeping and bearing arms. This in a country that says the the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

People that don't want to play by the rules should not enjoy the full measure of liberty! Personally, I don't want criminals and crazies walking around armed. Let them get a baseball bat to protect their families. They really should have thought of that before they broke the Law!

Do you really want to give the Liberals more ammunition to use against gun owners? Do you really want to see the Liberals pointing their collective fingers at ex-cons as examples of gun owners? Do you really want to raise the statistical number of "gun owners" that run afoul of the Law? I don't want the bottom layer of Society representing me as a gun owner. Their criminal misdeeds will cost us our Rights quicker than anything!!

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[Eagle Eye]

My commitment to 2A rights (...shall not be infringed) is not tempered by my fear of what the Liberals might think or say.

There may be case-by-case extreme situations where possession should be barred even if the person is not institutionalized. However that does not extend to general rules that deny entire classes of people a basic right.

The idea of denying rights to classes of people is a fairly recent development and, unfortuantely, embraced by those who value the mirage of security over their freedom and the freedoms of others.

If you hadn't noticed, more and more RKBA advocates are finding their voices and losing their fear of what our opponents might think or say.

Why should a nonviolent felon (ie embezzler, fish and game violator, tax evader) AUTOMATICALLY lose the RKBA? Should they also lose the right to free speech and worship? Should they be required to house soldiers? No.

Now, knowing damn well that anyone who really wants to get a gun and use it improperly can and will do so despite every law on the books, what jpurpose does the law do except make it tough on those who intend to follow the law and live peaceably? The law only restricts those who live by it, not those who intend to violate it.

[Destructor]

"There may be case-by-case extreme situations where possession should be barred even if the person is not institutionalized."

I agree completely. There are plenty of real life cases like this hypothetical one that you have mentioned.

"However that does not extend to general rules that deny entire classes of people a basic right."

An entire class of bottom layer people that made the decision to live outside of the Law.

"The idea of denying rights to classes of people is a fairly recent development and, unfortuantely, embraced by those who value the mirage of security over their freedom and the freedoms of others."

I repeat my previous statement. I personally do not want my gun ownership associated with these individuals. I am a Law abiding citizen. They are not.

"If you hadn't noticed, more and more RKBA advocates are finding their voices and losing their fear of what our opponents might think or say."

I have noticed, and I'm glad to see it. Why does this mean that we should jeopardize the gains that we have made by associating ourselves (as gun owners) with a lawless class of individuals that will make us all look lawless? Why give our opponents more ammunition by welcoming the criminal element in to our camp, thereby making our statistics worse? Why give the gun control crowd that edge?

"Why should a nonviolent felon (ie embezzler, fish and game violator, tax evader) AUTOMATICALLY lose the RKBA? Should they also lose the right to free speech and worship? Should they be required to house soldiers? No."

As I have said before- nonviolent felons have a greater tendency to become violent felons. There aren't a lot of people that will hire an ex-con- violent or non-violent. In many cases the ex-con will return to a life of crime, because they don't have any other option. As a hunter, I don't want to be associated with poachers either. I play by the rules, and I shouldn't be penalized by association with people who don't abide by the Law.

Show me an example of someone being killed by another person who was speaking freely. Show me an example of someone that was killed by another person that was worshipping. Don't all Americans have the Right to LIFE, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? If your violent or non-violent felon has a gun and misuses it, then hasn't that individual violated another person's Rights? Like I said before there should be consequences for committing crime. With freedom goes responsibility.