Posted on 06/21/2002 9:24:18 AM PDT by One_American
It's got to the point where voting is like a token to the peasants. They are going to do what the hell they want no matter who gets elected. We are all witnesses to this and California Proposition 187 stands as stark reminder of this.
It's important to remember we're talking about 'Illegal Immigration'here.Oh heck, Whites are a minority in California now,(says our last census)so you're right,we're already well on our way.It's also amazing how many Asians have moved here in just the last 20 years.White People a minority now.Ohhhh,who would've ever thought?And it's much too late to do anything about it too.I've been forced to accept it and move forward.
No I can't, but you can bet the rent that they all stood treasonously silent as the federal government burned our ballots and declared CA Prop 187 unconstitutional, as the powers to be turned around and installed a new Republican conservative President, one who seems bent on continuing and supporting insane invasion of millions.
The time has come for conservative-minded Americans to ask themselves that old "Ann Landers Question": would we be better off _with_ California as part of our union in the years to come, or withOUT it?
- John
And what shall we call Tennessee?
TENNESSEE DRIVER'S LICENSE STATIONS OVERRUN BY ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tennessee in earlier years allowed illegal aliens to obtain a driver's license with a translated birth certificate from their country of birth. Then, the law was changed to state that no one could receive a driver's license without a valid social security number.
This caused a huge problem. Since thousands of illegal aliens have flocked to Tennessee in recent years, that meant a large number of unlicensed drivers on the roads (also uninsured). So, the cry went up from immigrant (illegal) advocates for a change in the law. Just recently, Tennessee again began allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses with documentation as to identity, but, without the requirement for a valid social security number.
Almost every Tennessee driver's license office now has lines cueing up at around 4-5 a.m. as thousands of illegals previously denied a driver's license are trying once again. Also, they are required to take the written test in English which is also causing a lot of repeat business for the driver's license offices. Sources also say that illegal aliens are coming from other states which still have the old "valid social security number" law.
This does seem to validate the claim by many that the census undercounted the number of illegal aliens in the United States. Every time an amnesty or driver's license situation like this arises, the numbers are incredible.
Would we be better off without Tennessee to? You people need to understand, this is a national invasion. Not just isolated to California. Don't let your jealousy of California, cloud the facts.
TENNESSEE DRIVER'S LICENSE STATIONS OVERRUN BY ILLEGAL ALIENS
Tennessee in earlier years allowed illegal aliens to obtain a driver's license with a translated birth certificate from their country of birth. Then, the law was changed to state that no one could receive a driver's license without a valid social security number.
This caused a huge problem. Since thousands of illegal aliens have flocked to Tennessee in recent years, that meant a large number of unlicensed drivers on the roads (also uninsured). So, the cry went up from immigrant (illegal) advocates for a change in the law. Just recently, Tennessee again began allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses with documentation as to identity, but, without the requirement for a valid social security number.
Almost every Tennessee driver's license office now has lines cueing up at around 4-5 a.m. as thousands of illegals previously denied a driver's license are trying once again. Also, they are required to take the written test in English which is also causing a lot of repeat business for the driver's license offices. Sources also say that illegal aliens are coming from other states which still have the old "valid social security number" law.
This does seem to validate the claim by many that the census undercounted the number of illegal aliens in the United States. Every time an amnesty or driver's license situation like this arises, the numbers are incredible.
LBJ did the same thing in 1964 to eliminate literacy tests so they could vote democRAT, along with welfare which destroyed the families in the projects.
This is all rat driven to form a Socialist Workers Republic.
Now it is a hot potato for almost any politician.
We've got the rinos in the NE, etc, who truly want to be politically correct, etc., and the rats multiply with their pitch to the Afros and Hispanics.
Want more, elect Gore.
This message brought to by George Bush (D-TX)
I accepted it, and then moved north.
LOL! You moved north to Washington? Where you gunna run to next? You think your isolated from this invasion of millions? Hehehe. WASHINGTON is considering chargeing in-state tuition for illegal aliens that are attending taxpayer supported colleges and universities.
Oregon and Washington have hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, with more coming everyday. I have been there.
Where you going to run to next Blue Monk? Would you care to see more invasion articles involving Washington State?
More States Consider In-State Tuition For Illegal Aliens CNSNews.com | 4/08/02 | Melanie Hunter
Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Several states are considering following the lead of California and Texas, which charge in-state tuition for illegal aliens attending taxpayer supported colleges and universities.
According to published reports, Minnesota, North Carolina, Utah, and Washington are among the states considering the move, following on the 1982 Supreme Court Plyler v. Texas decision that required states to provide taxpayer funded elementary and secondary education to illegal aliens through grade 12.
But immigration reform groups argue the in-state college tuition plans are a direct violation of federal law.
Section 505 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 states that:
"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident."
Apparently, members of Congress intended the law to mean exactly what the immigration reform groups claim. House conference Report 104-828, referring to Section 505 stated, "this section provides that illegal aliens are not eligible for in-state tuition rates at public institutions of higher education."
But Texas and California circumvent the law by basing their in-state tuition policies for illegal aliens not on whether the alien is a "resident" of the state, but rather on whether or not the alien graduated from an in-state high school after three years of continuous attendance.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) says the issue can be reduced to a simple question of fairness.
"The tuition debate is really a question of a finite commodity whether you're talking about the limited number of seats available or the limited number of tax dollars available to subsidize tuition," according to David Ray, spokesman for FAIR.
"If you're saying that these funds and seats should go to illegal alien children, then you're saying, 'No,' to American children, children whose parents have paid taxes in this country for decades and who can legally hold a job in this country once they get a degree," he concluded.
FAIR believes that states offering in-state tuition to illegal aliens will entice greater numbers of illegal alien families to move to those states.
Proponents of the idea, such as State Rep. Rick Noriega (D) who sponsored the Texas bill that allows illegal aliens to pay in-state tuition rates, disagree.
"I am just happy that here in Texas we got it through when we did," he told the Chronicle of Higher Education in November 2001.
"For ... fear-mongers, these are perfect times to execute your agendas," Noriega added, referring to the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
But conservative Internet columnist Gregory Hand, who lives in California and opposes that state's illegal immigrant education subsidy, doesn't believe he's a fear-monger, just a pragmatist.
"Socialist supporters of subsidized higher education for law breaking immigrants blame the illegal-immigrant parents (and who can punish a child for the sins of the parents?), point out that these children have graduated from American public schools (again at taxpayer expense) and therefore somehow bizarrely deserve access to higher education subsidized by someone else's hard earned money," Hand writes in his online column at GregoryHand.com.
In August 2001, Wisconsin Gov. Scott McCallum (R) vetoed a provision lawmakers inserted into the state's budget that would have provided an identical in-state tuition discount to illegal aliens as the ones in Texas and California.
"Until Congress changes the eligibility status of undocumented persons for this benefit," McCallum said announcing the veto, "the focus of taxpayer subsidized postsecondary education needs to remain on students who are legal residents of the state."
The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) believes the debate is irrelevant.
INS spokeswoman, Elaine Komis, told the Chronicle of Higher Education in November 2001 that the agency has "no reason" to issue regulations on whether someone who is in the country illegally could qualify for tuition benefits. The agency, she said, believes that person should be removed from the country.
But that message has apparently not been disseminated throughout the agency.
"It's not the role of the INS to tell the states how they should administer their educational system," another INS representative told CNSNews.com.
"Given our very limited resources, with only 2,000 agents, we just don't have the capability of going out to universities and checking papers," added the INS representative, who did not want to be identified.
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