Mexico Wants Arizona Back (Now on Hannity & Colmbs

FoxNews ^ | 6/21/02 | FOXNEWS

[FreedomFriend]

Actually, the nearby city of Clovis seemed to be the least invaded.

[kstewskis]

The thing is, Arizona is the least invaded of all the border states with Mexico.

Ah, no. Negative. WRONG.

Try convincing the ranchers in S.Arizona and the Border Patrol, who are not only dodging the bullets of the Mexican Army 5 miles w/in our border, but picking up the dead (and stupid at this time of the year) mexicans trying to cross through here.

The bottle neck has been created in AZ because of the enforcement in Tx and Calif. Consider the southern border of AZ a ruptured artery. It has been for the last 10 years.

[FreedomFriend]

I know that Cochise County is a huge gateway for illegals and drugs. However, I'm refering to the states as a whole. Many of the illegals entering through Arizona make their way towards California and Texas. You can easily see the difference when you compare Phoenix and Tucson with Los Angeles and Fresno, or Houston and Dallas. Arizona's problem is not as bad. In fact, Phoenix's illegal problem is only slightly larger than it is in parts of Georgia.

[dsutah]

What makes you think they are illegal? Did they all stop and show their papers to you?

[kstewskis]

You can easily see the difference when you compare Phoenix and Tucson with Los Angeles and Fresno, or Houston and Dallas. Arizona's problem is not as bad. In fact, Phoenix's illegal problem is only slightly larger than it is in parts of Georgia.

If you're talking per square mile, then you have a point. Arizona is a gateway to the rest of the country, but the fact is, many stay.

Phoenix proper, esp. Central Phoenix, Central and South Mesa, Guadalupe, and parts of Western Maricopa County are primarily mexican, and the billboards, school signs are all written in Spanish. We have mexican "wetback" gangs in the Eastern part of the county that was virtually unheard of 10 years ago.

I occasionally work in a clinic in Central Phoenix, and I can't help half my patients because not only they don't understand English, but they can't even read or write in Spanish. I drive up and down that street, constantly being cut off by "Kora's Taxi." A few years ago in that same neighborhood, we lost a Phoenix PD officer who was literally ambushed and killed by an illegal alien while he was patroling the area. I am a foreigner in my native land. And the rest of us US citizens (and I'm including the US born Hispanics who tell me so) are pretty damned po'd about it.

The only reason AZ's "problem" that you mention is the amount real estate available for invasion, as compared to Texas and California. And I still dare you to say that Arizona's problem "is not that bad" to a southern border rancher who is trying to protect his property and his life.

[kstewskis]

and I might add, that Phoenix is the country's 6th largest city. Not exactly a small town anymore.

[FreedomFriend]

Oh, I know that Arizona's problem is real bad. I never said that it was. I suppose that coming from California, Arizona's problem seemed much smaller. That's all. Furthermore, perhaps I was not in the invaded areas of Phoenix. I explored Phoenix, and I didn't actually explore Mesa except for the freeway. I did, however, explore Northeast Phoenix, Scottsdale, Glendale, Avondale, Sun City and northwestern suburbs, not to mention a few other areas. In these parts of town, I didn't see too many Mexicans, though Sun City appeared to have a moderate population.

From the sounds of things, Phoenix has a larger problem than Atlanta, though Atlanta's is a fairly recent phenomenon, and it has been large.

[FreedomFriend]

Yes, Phoenix is a fairly large metropolitan area. About 52 miles E-W by 37-40 miles N-S. That's urbanized area.

[kstewskis]

I suppose that coming from California, Arizona's problem seemed much smaller.

Yes. I am a native (and refugee from) California, and have seen first hand what has happened in California. Everytime I go back to see family and friends, it turns my stomach as to how trashed it has become. So you can see how, with that comparison, I see what is happening to AZ. And it has been drastic in recent years.

Furthermore, perhaps I was not in the invaded areas of Phoenix. I explored Phoenix, and I didn't actually explore Mesa except for the freeway. I did, however, explore Northeast Phoenix, Scottsdale, Glendale, Avondale, Sun City and northwestern suburbs, not to mention a few other areas. In these parts of town, I didn't see too many Mexicans, though Sun City appeared to have a moderate population.

Some twenty or so years ago, those areas that you visted were sparsely developed, if at all. You were in "the great white flight" areas. And only in the last 5-7 years, did the Northern portions of the valley go through a huge, wildfire-like development because of that, plus the influx of other residents from all over the country....including my fellow Calif. refugees.

From the sounds of things, Phoenix has a larger problem than Atlanta, though Atlanta's is a fairly recent phenomenon, and it has been large.

Yup. Courtesy of the "Arizona Gateway". Now there are Eastern cities experiencing the problem. However, I think initially they are "amused" by this issue, and don't see it as a problem....yet. And they are enjoying the local economic impact of it. But it is at the expense of what is happening in the Southwest, and the struggle of retaining our sovergnty (sp). We are desperate out here, and no one in the upper levels in DC (including our beloved Dubya) is willing to protect our borders. Except for Congressman Tancredo. That is a start.

[dsutah]

I realize that you don't go along with him in many things, domestically. Well I respect your right to do that. But I have a question about your opposition to his domestic agenda. Are you against tax cuts? Or military spending? How about his judges, which have never been approved, because of some Congresspersons' endless opposition? Are you against everything he tries to do domestically? I believe that there are many things he would like to get going, but some people in Congress fight him tooth and nail.

I know he makes some people nervous on some things. I don't always understand his stands on some things, at least yet. But I'm aware that he may have facts that I don't have. Or that he may want to try a new approach to a problem that seems unorthodox.

So because he's a decent person, and well-meaning, and his knack of getting many people to work together, I'm willing to give him time to see if he can get as much of his campaign agenda passed as he can. We must be aware that there are going to be some items he campaigned on, that will take awhile to go through, if ever.

[FreedomFriend]

To be honest, from what I can see, Atlanta has the largest problem with Mexican illegal immigration among any of the major cities located within states on the eastern seaboard. That is no joke. Our state has welcomed them with open arms, and our governor, like President Bush, is absolutely in love with the idea of illegal immigration. When I mean a flood has hit Atlanta, I mean a flood. Just two years ago you could drive up and down I-85 and narely see a Mexican. Today, you can drive up and down I-85 and see a Mexican in every fifth car. Granted, this is certain times of the week and on certain sections of that particular interstate, especially on the weekend and around the Norcross/Chamblee/Doraville area, I use this observation to show how much things have changed within five years, particularly the last two.

[FreedomFriend]

Well, that "amusement" will turn to concern within ten years, you can assume that will be the case. Georgians are just now waking up to what is being brought about by ten years of constant illegal immigration and hiring. Phoenix probably has ten years on us, Dallas twelve, Houston fifteen, San Diego fifteen, and Los Angeles twenty to twenty five.

[kstewskis]

Atlanta has the largest problem with Mexican illegal immigration among any of the major cities located within states on the eastern seaboard. That is no joke. Our state has welcomed them with open arms, and our governor, like President Bush, is absolutely in love with the idea of illegal immigration.

Wow. Talk about "batton down the hatches." That'll do more damage than any hurricane.

One thing I saw in LA, was the constant "battles" between the black and the mexican communities. I'm wondering if this will be a new phenomena in Atlanta soon. I hope not. If it does happen, I suggest you take cover. It gets ugly.

[kstewskis]

Georgians are just now waking up to what is being brought about by ten years of constant illegal immigration and hiring. Phoenix probably has ten years on us, Dallas twelve, Houston fifteen, San Diego fifteen, and Los Angeles twenty to twenty five.

Bingo. You hit it on the head. Especially in LA. It's been a long time problem (great...another trend setter), and it only spread from there.

I'm with you all the way, we need help. Desperately.

[FreedomFriend]

Well, it may be in the future, but it will at least be ten years before that happens, as it seems that half of America's blacks are flocking here.

Roy Barnes, Georgia's governor, contacted President Bush and asked for more Mexican illegal immigration. He told the President that they have been good for our economy. Yet, he's so shortsighted, he couldn't see long term. That is the problem, but, of course, Roy is a democrat, and he sees the newcomers as potential voters.

[kstewskis]

Roy Barnes, Georgia's governor, contacted President Bush and asked for more Mexican illegal immigration. He told the President that they have been good for our economy. Yet, he's so shortsighted, he couldn't see long term. That is the problem, but, of course, Roy is a democrat, and he sees the newcomers as potential voters.

Wow. That mayor sounds like he could be from L.A. ;o) Typical militant, far left, liberal democrat that couldn't see the crime illegal aliens bring on if it slapped him with a bean burrito. Sounds like Atlanta is going the way of LA, Orange County, and the environs if this idiot stays in office. Hopefully the good citizens of Atlanta will "see the light" and stop it before it gets out of control.

[FreedomFriend]

This isn't the mayor of Atlanta, this is Georgia's governor.

[FreedomFriend]

On the same trip, I was also in the LA area. The only part of the LA area that appeared to not have at least a moderate problem with illegal immigration was the lower orange county area around Mission Viejo, San Juan Capistrano, San Clemente, etc.

[kstewskis]

On the same trip, I was also in the LA area. The only part of the LA area that appeared to not have at least a moderate problem with illegal immigration was the lower orange county area around Mission Viejo, San Juan Capistrano, San Clemente, etc.

That's because that part of Orange County it's not anywhere near "LA", ;-) Nor is it considered "LA area". You were more closer to north San Diego county than "LA area." Plus, the real estate there is in the 7 figures. The only illegals you'd see in those areas would be mowing lawns.

[kstewskis]

This isn't the mayor of Atlanta, this is Georgia's governor.

Oh, oops. YIKES! I think that Gr. 5 hurricane is comming....and that's like a sneeze in comparison ;o)