Skip to comments.Socialism = NAZI (Hitler was a socialist)
Posted on 06/22/2002 10:38:56 AM PDT by freeforall
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"She's creating a ideological basis for a capitalist or individualist or objectivist or Randian tribe, a cult of "independent minds."
Perhaps for the weak minded.But in the right context Capitalism,Individualism and Independence are good for everyone.
|Nazis versus Liberals
|Hitler and the Nazis||Liberals and Democrats|
|Preached class warfare||Preach class warfare|
|Demonized capitalists as exploiters of the working class||Demonize capitalists as exploiters of the working class|
|Supported nationalization of education||Support nationalization of education|
|Supported nationalization of health care||Support nationalization of health care|
|Supported nationalization of transportation||Support nationalization of transportation|
|Instituted strict gun control regimen||Support strict gun control|
|Encouraged pornography||Encourage pornography|
|Encouraged illegitimacy||Encourage illegitimacy|
|Encouraged abortion||Encourage abortion|
|Demonized Christians as right-wing fanatics||Demonize Christians as right-wing fanatics|
|Employed the "Big Lie" to further their goals||Employ the "Big Lie" to further their goals|
|Sought to rule every activity and need of the individual||Seek to rule every activity and need of the individual|
|Believed the Collective had primacy over the Individual||Believe the Collective has primacy over the Individual|
As an aside, I do not think the traditional left/right political spectrum has much use in the modern world since no country has ever passed from socialism into communism to see the state dissolve, but rather we have found that both ends of the political spectrum end in human enslavement. I therefore find myself a libertarian, struggling against the drug warriors on the right and the politically correct nanny state advocates on the other.
Not so different than this by Ludwig Von Mises in 1922 the book "Socialism"
CHAPTER 9 The Position of the Individual Under Socialism 1 Selection of Personnel and Choice of Occupation The Socialist Community is a great authoritarian association in which orders are issued and obeyed. This is what is implied by the words "planned economy" and the "abolition of the anarchy of production." The inner structure of a socialist community is best understood if we compare it with the inner structure of an army. Many socialists indeed prefer to speak of the "army of labour." As in an army, so under Socialism, everything depends on the orders of the supreme authority. Everyone has a place to which he is appointed. Everyone has to remain in his place until he is moved to another. It follows that men become pawns of official action. They rise only when they are promoted. They sink only when they are degraded. It would be waste of time to describe such conditions. They are the common knowledge of every citizen of a bureaucratic state.
II.9.1 It is obvious that, in a state of this sort, all appointments should be based upon personal capacity. Each position should be held by the individual best fitted to hold italways provided that he is not required for more important work elsewhere. Such is the fundamental principle of all systematically ordered authoritarian organizationsof the Chinese Mandarinate equally with modern bureaucracies.
II.9.2 In giving effect to this principle the first problem that arises is the appointment of the supreme authority. There are two ways to the solution of this problem, the oligarchical-monarchical and the democratic, but there can be only one solutionthe charismatic solution. The supreme rulers (or ruler) are chosen in virtue of the grace with which they are endowed by divine dispensation. They have superhuman powers and capacities lifting them above the other mortals.
Obviously Von Mises saw what would be the results of Socialism.Whether it be so called Left or Right.Yes I agree their is a difference between classic Liberalism and Conservatism.Locke is perhaps IMHO the most important political philosipher.
"As an aside, I do not think the traditional left/right political spectrum has much use in the modern world since no country has ever passed from socialism into communism to see the state dissolve, but rather we have found that both ends of the political spectrum end in human enslavement. I therefore find myself a libertarian, struggling against the drug warriors on the right and the politically correct nanny state advocates on the other."
I also call myself a friend of liberty.
Gee, can't you get banned for sending private messages containing profanity?
A disruptor because I don't agree with you on this issue... hardly.
Practically, the Nazi's did not nationalize a single industry. I have read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" three times. Please tell me what industries the Nazi's nationalized. Socialists nationalize industries. I can give you a host of examples of socialists nationalizing industries. These are practical examples. The only reason the world "socialist" is in the name National Socialist Party was because of the appeal that socialism had to the working man of the time. It was a mere ruse developed from El Duce's former socialist experiences and Hitler's takeover of a small, ineffective revisionist socialist party. Both men thoroughly rejected Marxism and saw the Soviet Union as the greatest threat to the world and both expected Britain and the United States to ally with them ultimately to fight the Soviets--true Socialists.
I will not be posting further on this subject as it is one that is well settled, in fact, not even seriously argued, by political philosophers. If you want to discuss the idea that a new spectrum is more pertinent to modern times, and why, I am all ears. I find America torn between more and more powerful fascists and more and more powerful socialists and I see little progress on the libertarian front. In fact, most Americans seem truly afraid of real freedom. I wish everyone had a gun and I would let everyone out of prison. The governments sole duty would be to protect my constitutional rights against governmental instrusion and to find and prosecute anyone who commits violence, theft or fraud against me.
You can play chess there too if you want to :-)
Maybe we can phrase it this way. The Nazis had far, far more in common with our Democratic Party than it did with right-wing faction of the GOP.
I have no intention of explaining how the correspondence which I now offer to the public fell into my hands. There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. (Preface to The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis)
My Dear Julius (1), Landsberg prison which I entered on April 1, 1924 and where I wrote Mein Kampf, is strangely similar to this place that I entered after shooting myself on the afternoon of April 30, 1945 and from where I write this letter. I found myself in both places involuntarily, yet they have each provided me with peace as well as perspective to write of the ideas that fueled our movement. I dedicated Mein Kampf to the dead heroes of the so-called Beer Hall Putsch who fell on November 9, 1923 with loyal faith in the resurrection of their people(2). I dedicate this letter to you along with the nine other heroes of Nuremberg who joined me here on October 16, 1946. May their memory shine forever, a glowing example to the followers of our ideas.
As one tends to do in the timeless eternity of our existence here, I often reflect upon my single most regrettable error-underestimating America. On December 8, 1941, I hurried back by train to Berlin from my headquarters on the Russian front. It is true that earlier that year Ribbentrop and I had promised the Japanese Foreign Minister, our good friend Yosuke Matsuoka, that should Japan become engaged in a war against the United States, Germany would join the war immediately. However, to us, the Three-Power Pact had as its goal frightening and keeping America out of the war. I encouraged Japan to immediately take an active part in the war against England(3) and not to provoke America. Although I didn't see much future for the Americans, I did not want them in the war until we had put down Russia.
Exactly one month after the Japanese betrayed me by attacking Pearl Harbor I told you all at our Berlin headquarters that America is a decayed country. My feelings against Americanism were feelings of hatred and deep repugnance. Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it's half Judaized and the other half Negrified. How can one expect a state like that to hold together?(4) Well, America did hold together and she seized victory from us. However, and this is important my friend, she has finally adopted many of the vital ideas of our movement. Could not this be described as an ultimate vindication of all we lived and died for? Perhaps it is even a victory of sorts.
Let me explain. First and foremost we were socialists. As national socialists, or Nazis, we presumed that government and the people were hostile to one another. Thus, we understood that the old German tradition of citizens owning guns had to end. On March 18, 1938 we enacted our Law on Weapons and ruled that only government officials were allowed to own firearms. You can imagine my approval as I watched Senator Thomas Dodd craft America's Gun Control Act of 1968 by having our own law of 1938 translated for him by an official of The Library of Congress(5). My dear Julius, we can be proud of how similarly the two laws read. Those leading American gun control efforts are naïve and well-meaning but their results will resemble ours. We told the German people that gun control laws were needed to curb gang activity and preserve democracy, what those laws really did was help us prevail.
Do you remember, dear Julius, how we Nazis always understood that every German citizen must live for the state. We did everything possible to keep our people healthy. They were our future and the destiny of our nation. In the same way that wise farmers must accept responsibility for the health of their herds, we used the power of government to keep our flocks healthy. We were disgusted by the addictive powers of cigarettes since both mind and body were supposed to belong to the Fuhrer. We succeeded in almost criminalizing the smoking of cigarettes.
Our Minstry of Science and Education ordered elementary schools to discuss the dangers of tobacco(6). Government sponsored cultural and educational events were declared to be "smoke-free." In the late 1930s we called for increased taxes on cigarettes and later instituted bans on cigarette advertising. I am most proud of the legislation we introduced prohibiting sales of cigarettes to minors. We set up counseling centers for the psychological treatment of smokers and we established smoke-free restaurants.
We soon managed to prohibit smoking on Luftwaffe properties and followed that with prohibiting smoking in post offices, government buildings and many workplaces. "No Smoking" cars were established on all German trains with fines levied upon violators and in 1940 SS Chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all on-duty police and SS officers. Our comrade, Hermann Goring, decreed that soldiers may not smoke in public and most of our cities banned smoking on public transport in order to protect the ticket takers from the hazards of second-hand smoke. We can indeed be proud that today America has also come to realize the importance of central government taking the initiative in regulating what people do not have the good sense to do voluntarily. We may have lost the battle of ideas in the middle of the century, but we Nazis are winning the war of ideas at its end.
Do you remember that awkwardness in late 1940, my dear Julius? The American consulate in Leipzig reported our policies to the American State Department, of conducting compassionate euthanasia on the patients in the Grafeneck Mental Asylum in Wurttemberg. What an uproar resulted in America!
But now, one of America's most prestigious institutions, Princeton University, has appointed as professor of bioethics (whatever that is) one Peter Singer who openly advocates putting to death the mentally defective, the terminally ill and even severely disabled infants. He would give parents and doctors the right to actually kill-not just withhold treatment-newborns with, for instance, Spina Bifida and hemophilia. Singer insists that a newborn has no greater right to life than pigs, cows and dogs. Peter Singer is one of us, Julius. And the best part of it is that those who most loudly protested our comparatively mild policies in Wurttemberg, have not uttered even a squeak of protest to Princeton University and its professor of bioethics. The ridiculous idea that all human life is sacred is now finally under attack in America. A sitting president was reelected after affirming the legitimacy of exterminating infants during birth and doctors in their province of Oregon have begun doing away with the elderly and weak. Yes, America is certainly coming around to our way of seeing things.
Finally dear Julius, you will remember what I frequently said and wrote in Mein Kampf: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people(7)." I explained that as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. It is truly heartwarming to see how well this lesson has been learned by American government. In the name of the children, incursions into the private lives of American citizens have been made that we Nazis would have gazed at with open mouthed admiration. Does it matter that our bodies failed as long as our spirit still triumphs?
I know you have a question to ask me, my friend: What about the Jews? After all, how can I say that much of America is adopting our views when Jews still exert such disproportionate influence in that country? Grasp the genius of your Fuhrer. You see dear Julius, with well meaning earnestness, most American Jews are solidly behind the ideas I have been describing. In the mistaken belief that they are making America safer for minorities, American Jews have joined those advocating ever larger and ever more powerful government. In reality, what they are doing is making America more hospitable to our form of national socialism. When it eventually arrives, they too will see the real dangers, but by then, it will be too late. Now they only see danger in illiterate thugs with no hair on their heads and in degenerate psychopaths with second hand Nazi regalia. American Jews are frightened by a handful of the sort of people we used to execute, instead of being terrified of the danger they are helping to create-government with limitless power that could one day be hospitable to tyranny.
We didn't just kill Jews-we were obsessed with them. We knew and understood the power their God conferred upon them. It was either their three thousand year-old vision of holiness or our modern ideas of scientific progress that would prevail in the world. Do you recall that Israeli thug, Isser Harel, who founded their cursed Mossad and who captured our brother Adolf Eichmann in Buenos Aires in 1960? Harel was astounded when Eichmann, upon realizing that he had been captured by Jews(8), called out the Hebrew prayer Shema Yisrael , "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One." Eichmann understood. You, Julius, you also understood. You ascended the gallows in Nuremberg and your very last words were "Heil Hitler!" (for which I thank you) and then "Purim Fest 1946."(9) You knew that when the Allies hanged my ten friends, they were playing out a modern day version of the Biblical Book of Esther in which ten enemies of the Jews were hanged on the festival of Purim.
And it wasn't just the Jews. Joseph Goebbels put it quite correctly when he said, "The Fuhrer is deeply religious though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so, it is a branch of the Jewish race(10)." We can be confident that America will preserve and develop our Nazi ideas of human perfectability because of one stroke of genius that even Reich minister of propaganda, the great Joseph Goebbels, has to admire. Those who are advocating socialism in America, whether deliberately or inadvertently, have succeeded in turning the term "Nazi" into a slur that may only be used against those on the right, such as Christian conservatives. Never is it used against those on the left who are precisely the Americans doing most to advance our agenda. We are winning Julius, we are winning. Heil Hitler.
Radio talk show host, Rabbi Daniel Lapin is the author of the recent best seller, America's Real War, and is president of Seattle-based Toward Tradition.
(1) Hitler is addressing Julius Streicher, hanged by the Allies in Nuremberg, October 16, 1946. (2) Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ.Verlag Franz Eher, 1927, Dedication and Preface (3) The Second World War, Volume 3, Winston S. Churchill, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1950. Page 186 (4) The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L Shirer, Publ. Simon and Schuster, 1959. Page 895 (5) Aaron Zelman, JPFO, Milwaukee, WI. (6) The Nazi War on Cancer, Robert N. Proctor. Publ. Princeton University Press. Page 198. (7) Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1943, Page 403. (8) Los Angeles Times, April 7, 1989. (9) Newsweek, October 26, 1946. Joseph Kingsbury-Smith, an American reporter present at the hangings. (10) Joseph Goebbels, quoted in Anthrozoos, 5 (1992) page 18.
Hitler arrested and executed anyone that might pose a threat to his regime. He did not execute some capitalists because they owned the means of production. He executed them because they would not accept his government. Those capitalists willing to play ball and help the war effort enjoyed the support of the Nazis, including slave labor.