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To: freeforall
The Nazis were not socialists despite their name. I have rebutted this nonsense so many times on FR I am sick of it. Only someone without any knowledge of political philosophy could make such a claim. The Nazis lay on the far right of the traditional political spectrum, not merely trusting in the traditional institutions of the dominant culture but raising them to the level of worship, a la Edmund Burke. Despite their National Socialist rubric, they failed to nationalize a single major industry, but rather nationalized the labor force itself, which socialists would hardly do. On the contrary, socialism lay at the far left of the traditional spectrum, where the traditional institutions of the dominant culture are intentionally weakened in an effort to strike against institutionalized racism and sexism and the major industries are nationalized while the workers are free to unionize and direct the operation of the nationalized industries. This is what we find happening in the United States slowly, but with a powerful counter movement toward fascism. Both directions mean the loss of freedom. That is why I am a libertarian.
96 posted on 06/22/2002 9:11:18 PM PDT by stryker
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To: stryker
Coca Cola appeals to the desire to transform society into a timeless stasis where there is "Always Coca-Cola", while Pepsi is the choice of the new generation who align themselves with the joy of cola in and of itself.
99 posted on 06/22/2002 10:39:59 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: stryker
"Only someone without any knowledge of political philosophy could make such a claim."

Thanks a logical argument their.

"The Nazis lay on the far right of the traditional political spectrum,"

Perhaps the traditional spectrum is misleading especially if they only include socialists.How pray tell did the nazis raise the traditional institutions of the dominant culture to a level of worship when you arrest and imprison the people running them.

"On the contrary, socialism lay at the far left of the traditional spectrum, where the traditional institutions of the dominant culture are intentionally weakened in an effort to strike against institutionalized racism and sexism"

I think you are talking policy differences not General principles.They both believe in the subordination of the individual to the state.Whether you call it the proletariat the nation the state the german people it is still collectivism.Perhaps some defintions are in order

Main Entry: Na·zism Pronunciation: 'nät-"si-z&m, 'nat- Variant(s): or Na·zi·ism /-sE-"i-z&m/ Function: noun Etymology: Nazi + -ism Date: 1934 : the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers' party in the Third German Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer.

Main Entry: fas·cism Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si- Function: noun Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces Date: 1921 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition 2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Main Entry: so·cial·ism Pronunciation: 'sO-sh&-"li-z&m Function: noun Date: 1837 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Main Entry: col·lec·tiv·ism Pronunciation: k&-'lek-ti-"vi-z&m Function: noun Date: 1857 : a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control

They are competing gangs for control of the state with minor policy differences.If theses political ideas were opposites one be for and one against control.

117 posted on 06/23/2002 7:20:46 AM PDT by freeforall
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