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Bush Middle East Speech Discussion Thread

Posted on 06/24/2002 12:48:28 PM PDT by RCW2001

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To: carton253
Bush in the last paragraphs said the Bible speaks of life and death...choose life....them's fightin words my friends.....a plan has been chosen and Bush is no wussy.

The USof A just threw down
101 posted on 06/24/2002 1:05:22 PM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Does this mean Bush is going to stop protecting Arafat? Are the gloves off now?
102 posted on 06/24/2002 1:05:34 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Howlin
Wait - he did NOT call for a provisional Pali state? WHAT?

But, but, but.....isn't that what Steponallofus, what the AP, what UPI, what Reuters, what ABCNBCCBSCNN told us he was going to say?????

I'm crushed....NOT!

Way to Go, Mr. President!

103 posted on 06/24/2002 1:05:38 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: carton253
Some people hear what they want to hear. Sounded like plain english to me.
104 posted on 06/24/2002 1:05:44 PM PDT by ladtx
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To: Amelia
We won't support a Palestinean state until there is a new government, new leadership & renunciation of terror is what I heard.

Thats how I understood it, too.

105 posted on 06/24/2002 1:05:52 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Which means, of course, that it will be immediately rejected by the Palestinians, the terror organizations, and most other Arab/Islamic states.

And the malcontents on FR.

106 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ResistorSister
Oh my, he has just set up the whole arab world.(LMAO)

We'll be going after all of them before this is over.

107 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:04 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Trust but Verify
He is taking, IMO, a harder line than any could have anticipated.

Yet another example of waiting for the MAN to speak rather than falling for the drivel that often precedes him.

108 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:10 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: account12
Bush is a traitor. He has given into terrorism. He might as well announce the creation of Binladenstan while he's at it. This is truly disgusting and makes me sick to live in a country that now offically supports terrorism.

Bye.

109 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:29 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Looks like I pushed the hot button on a Bushbot. LOL

Hardly. Just understand plain english.

110 posted on 06/24/2002 1:06:52 PM PDT by ladtx
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I told you before, WE should be doing a talk show.......LOL.
111 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
MSNBC is trying to spin it as "Maybe down the road, a true Palestinian state with 1967 borders..." Where the heck did 1967 borders get said - was David Gregory(MSNBC) watching the same speech as the rest of us?
112 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:25 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Today's Bush's plan is a slap-in-the-face to George W. Bush, who spoke clearly and forthrighty to our nation and the world in the days right after 9/11.

113 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:54 PM PDT by bvw
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To: account12
Then move.
114 posted on 06/24/2002 1:07:58 PM PDT by rintense
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To: mombonn
When will "they" EVER learn!
115 posted on 06/24/2002 1:08:11 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
He certainly will get an answer soon. And it is NOT a waste of time

Maybe I don't understand. How will this speech make any difference in the Arabs' behavior? I'm not being sarcastic. I really want to know.

116 posted on 06/24/2002 1:08:12 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: seeker41
Oh my, he has just set up the whole arab world.(LMAO)

We'll be going after all of them before this is over.

Got to rack the balls before you can run the table...

117 posted on 06/24/2002 1:08:20 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Looks like I pushed the hot button on a Bushbot. LOL.

LOOKS like you commented without listening to the speech. LOL.

118 posted on 06/24/2002 1:08:49 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Types_with_Fist
Actually, not a waste of time.

Rejection will carry its own price. The offer, rejected, will allow for a policy of war when it is rejected violently.

War against this heinous form of terror and its adherents has always been the ideal policy for the situation, the policy which many of us who were so critical of the Powell mission have been looking for.

Bush's speech provides the entre for a policy of war against Palestinian terror. That's not a waste at all. And it's many miles from where we were when Powell was sent in practical supplication a couple months ago.

Not a waste at all.

119 posted on 06/24/2002 1:09:17 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: RCW2001
Anyone who says that Bush just rewarded terrorists is either a fool, a liar or both.He just kicked Arafat to the curb and gave the Pale people an ultimatum-do it my way( economic and security reforms, end to terror, honest, democratically elected leaders,etc)or it's the side of the Israeli highway. A great speech.
120 posted on 06/24/2002 1:09:19 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: mhking
Good speech with an unobtainable vision , The current Palestinians are an entire generation of terrorists brainwashed by Arafat. They are hatred personified, they will choose death....because to succeed and get their own state they would have to renounce terror and get their asses to work. They dont want to work, they want to piss and moan and blame Israel for all of their faults.
121 posted on 06/24/2002 1:09:20 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: mhking
The mayor of Jerusalem just said on MSNBC that Arafat will never comply (or words to that effect) and is now correcting David Gregory's remarks about the '67 borders. He's all but calling the President a genius.
122 posted on 06/24/2002 1:09:47 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
OK - the mayor of Jerusalem jumped on Lester Holt for David Gregory's comments about the '67 borders...left Holt backpedaling -- I love it!
123 posted on 06/24/2002 1:09:51 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Types_with_Fist
Because he has given them THE choices they HAVE to make to GET a state. If they don't come along, they are NOT going to get a state.

They can choose now.


124 posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:16 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Yes, you did! And, we should!

Think WPTF would go for a late night (that's the only time they would give us) political duo call in show???

125 posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:37 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Catspaw
I love it!
126 posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:40 PM PDT by mhking
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To: cardinal4
Only downside was GWBush using the Pallie buzz word *occupation* too many times. I counted 3 times.
127 posted on 06/24/2002 1:10:58 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Amelia
Either that or some on here are spinning faster that the pali representative that they are interviewing on Fox News right now.
128 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:02 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: NativeNewYorker
I was pleasantly surprised by his speech. I had my stomach clenched, expecting the worst -- that he would say that a state is necessary to alleviate their "pain" and anger and all that bullclinton -- but I pretty much agreed with what he said. No state until they have normal, responsible leadership and rout out the terrorists.
129 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:02 PM PDT by NYC GOP Chick
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Haven't you heard? BushBot is NOT a smear any longer; it is the political equivalent to "Clinton hater."
130 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:23 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Rejection will carry its own price. The offer, rejected, will allow for a policy of war when it is rejected violently.

Thank you. You're saying it's a line in the sand, so to speak. Ok. It's out there. I hope we react decisively when they blow up something.

131 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:53 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: imyconsults
Baloney!

per Britt Hume , Bush has set very high hurdles before an Indepentent Palestine State appears!

132 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Judy Woodruff is having a STROKE on CNN. It must be a GREAT plan!
133 posted on 06/24/2002 1:11:59 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: account12
He has given into terrorism

Not at all. Terrorism is winning by preventing peace. Bush is continually moving forward toward peace even though they use the terrorism to stop it.

I don't see how this process can work but it does provide hope for a future for the Palis, and the Israelis as long as they work toward peaceful goals, turn away from terrorism and agree to resolve their differences so that both parties can live peacefully.

Too tall an order for them to accomplish - but it does show a way out if they are willing to turn from the current path.

134 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:03 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: mhking
Where the heck did 1967 borders get said

I assume it's his interpritation (faulty) of the reference to UN 242 and Jerusalem. That will be the standard interpritation, ignoring GWBs comment that the borders will be negotiated per 242.

A MSNBC commentator said Bush told Israel she would have to abandon the settlements. Did anyone else hear that?

135 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:13 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
So, did he not propose a "provisional Palestinian State"

I assume the press idiots have that phrase set as a macro in their word processors.

I also assume that a Bush push for such a state would ensure another good round of Democratic fundraising among my co-religionits. Hence, its repitition regardless of its veracity.

136 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:14 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: mhking
I did hear him say that to gain peace Israel will have to end the occupation that it began in 1967. He did not, however, specifically mention those borders
137 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:20 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Types_with_Fist
It isn't. It isn't intended to. It's to free America to move in the Middle East. It deconstructs the arguments and takes them away. These tired arguments and lies and spins. Everything is being swept off the stage. This is the Palestinians only chance (given by this administration) to get its house in order. After that, what comes your way, is your own fault.

Israel has been held up as the innocent party. The onus is on the Palestinians. Get rid of the terrorist and the terrorism and we will welcome you to the table. Israel has been saying this for 30 years.

If you don't... then you have sealed your fate...

138 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:21 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Exactly. This was all about the current Palestinian problems- nothing about Israel. This proposal was conditional- either you do this or you get nothing. The entire first part of his speech, you could substitute the word Iraq for Palestinian.

The key will be to see what Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan will say. I suspect they will remain pretty quiet- a silent, supportive quiet. I think they were told by the Bush admin what was going to come down. And he did mention Egypt and Jordan as key players.

LOVED GWB calling out all Arab states regarding supporting terrorism. I do wish he would have said something about accountability for that- ahem, Saudi Arabia.

139 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:21 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Howlin
LOL .. this is where you are all at .. I was stuck over on the other thread
140 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:27 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: rintense
I am so proud of President Bush.

He has basically placed the ball in the court of the Muslim world.

If they choose to do nothing, then President Bush can more easily gain the political backing in our Congress, as well as better support from the other civilized world leaders.

It is amazing how much some will lie, just to make President Bush look like a liar.
141 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:39 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: mhking
What did STRETCH say about the '67 borders?
142 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:50 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Here's the first Haaretz spin...

Bush calls for Palestinian state with provisional borders
By Nathan Guttman, Ha'aretz Correspondent, Ha'aretz Service and Agencies

President George W. Bush called Monday night for the creation of a Palestinian state with provisional borders in his long-awaited speech Monday night on the Middle East offering a roadmap to statehood for the Palestinians.

Speaking from the Rose Garden, Bush opened by saying that "the hatred of a fear holds the hopes of many hostage."

"For the sake of all humanity things must change in the Middle East," Bush said.

The president said that it was "untenable for Israeli citizens to live in terror" and "untenable for Palestinians to live in squalor." The current situation gives little hope, he said.

He said that the "Palestinian Authority was encouraging, not opposing terrorism."

"My vision is two states living side by side," Bush said. The president called "on the Palestinian people to elect new leaders," and to embrace democracy, tolerance and liberty.

He said under such conditions the U.S. would support the creation of the Palestinian state, whose "borders will be provisional" until a final settlement is reached between Israel and the Palestinians.

Bush said a Palestinian state will never be created by terror, but reform.

He called for a new Palestinian constitution and for
the Palestinian parliament to have real powers.

Bush said that the Israeli occupation that began in 1967 would come to an end after negotiations between the sides based on UN Resolutions 242 and 328.

He said that Jerusalem and the problem of Palestinian refugees will be solved in later negotiations.

Bush said that the Arab world had offered its help to achieve peace, and said that both Lebanon and Syria need to make peace with Israel.

"This moment is both an opportunity and a test for all parties in the Middle East," Bush said.

Bush is expected to dispatch Secretary of State Colin Powell to the region soon in order to help organize a Middle East peace conference. The United States would like to hold such a conference this summer in order to build international consensus for the plan.

Palestinian Authority Planning Minister Nabil Shaath said on Sunday a Bush speech could unleash a "program of action" that would create a new climate and help ease violence in the region.


143 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:57 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: cactusSharp
I loved that quote from the Bible. Could someone please post it?
144 posted on 06/24/2002 1:12:58 PM PDT by rintense
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To: rintense
Jennifer Griffin just mentioned that the President's speach was not aired in Pal
145 posted on 06/24/2002 1:13:12 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: mhking
See - David Gregory and all of the pressterrorists (new title for them) are going to do their best to convince the world that President Bush did NOT say what you all have been eyewitness reporters telling us out in TV deprived land what he DID say!

If I were the President - and thank GOD I am not - I would now send out my representatives - esp. VP Cheney - to get on the appropriate presstorrist programs and say again what the President just said - otherwise - it will be the David Gregory pressterrorists conveying the LIES that the PRESSTERRORIST want said about this speech!

146 posted on 06/24/2002 1:13:41 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: SJackson
A MSNBC commentator said Bush told Israel she would have to abandon the settlements. Did anyone else hear that?

No. Just that settlement activity has to stop.

147 posted on 06/24/2002 1:13:55 PM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
He called for a provisional state, if and when the Palestinian people are willing wo dump Arafat, and put in place a governing legislature and follow democracy. Until then, nada. IOW, Arafat's gotta go.
148 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:14 PM PDT by rintense
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To: traditionalist
I did hear him say that to gain peace Israel will have to end the occupation that it began in 1967.

Only date he mentioned was the 2000 date (prior to the beginning of this round of back and forth battles). He did not specifically mention 1967 in any way, shape or form.

149 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:15 PM PDT by mhking
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To: SJackson
I think Bush is referring to secure borders as Netanyahu refers to them. Israel wants the heights. I believe Bush just gave them that. It's 1967 borders (which Israel has agreed to in the past) but modified for security (which gives Israel the heights)
150 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:20 PM PDT by carton253
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