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Bush Middle East Speech Discussion Thread

Posted on 06/24/2002 12:48:28 PM PDT by RCW2001

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To: uburoi2000
How will autocratic and despotic states set up a liberal democracy? How would any Arab states know anything about it? Why can't our elected leaders bring themselves to admit, publicly, that the Muslim world has no tradition or understanding of representative government or rights or balance of powers or freedom of religion or anything else connected to advanced societies?

You're not going to get a Western democracy out of this deal, so I don't recommend that you use Western Democracy as the gold standard.

Instead, the gold standard to apply is: a stable government that does not take overt hostile actions against Israel.

While it's by no means perfect, Egypt's government is doing a pretty good job so far. Jordan is not all bad, either, though I count it as wobbly. And those would be the ones advising the PA, so perhaps it could work ... IF they can find some honest Palestinians.

151 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:25 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: mhking
I love it, too :-))

Yasser must be ready to blow....it looks like Condi's statements--and Yasser's nasty reply last week--are coming to fruition.

But I'm not holding my breath about Yasser leaving. However, Yasser should have never lied to Bush about the Iranian arms shipment. Bush does not deal with liars.

152 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:34 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Howlin
Can I have a segment on your show where I'll say stupid stuff and post dumb pic's ?.....:*)
153 posted on 06/24/2002 1:14:53 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: RCW2001
Reuters spin...

Bush supports Palestinian state with new leaders  
 (adds details) 
    By Steve Holland 
    WASHINGTON, June 24 (Reuters) - In a harsh rebuke to Yasser 
Arafat, President George W. Bush said on Monday the United 
States supported creating a provisional Palestinian state but 
only if there is a "new and different Palestinian leadership." 
    "Peace requires a new and different Palestinian leadership, 
so that a Palestinian state can be born. I call on the 
Palestinian people to elect new leaders not compromised by 
terror," Bush said as he set out his Middle East peace policy. 
    In the much-awaited speech, Bush laid out his vision for a 
provisional state called Palestine to be set up after about an 
18-month period. 
    But he set stern conditions, saying the Palestinians must 
find a new leader, create democratic institutions, and 
establish new security arrangements with Israel. 
    "When the Palestinian people have new leaders, new 
institutions, and new security arrangements with their 
neighbors, the United States of America will support the 
creation of a Palestinian state," Bush said in a statement 
delayed several times because of continuing violence in the 
region. 
    Bush never mentioned Arafat by name. But a senior aide, 
asked if the president meant that Arafat must go before the 
United States would back a provisional state, said: "We've been 
very clear that we think there has been significant problems 
with the Palestinian leadership." 
    Bush said borders and certain aspects of the sovereignty of 
the new state would be provisional until resolved as part of a 
final settlement. He called on Israel to pull back to its 
positions before Sept. 28, 2000, basically clearing out of 40 
percent of the West Bank. 
    The aides said if the conditions are met, a provisional 
Palestinian state could be established in 18 months and then 
made permanent in about three years as part of a final Middle 
East settlement. 
    Bush called on Israel to halt settlement activity in the 
occupied territories and to release frozen Palestinian 
revenues. 
    And he said once new Palestinian insitutions and leaders 
emerge, he expected Israel to respond by working toward a final 
status agreement. 
    "With intensive effort by all, this agreement could be 
reached within three years from now. I and my country will 
actively lead toward that goal," he said. 
    Bush said Israelis and Palestinians must ultimately address 
the core issues that divided them if there is to be a real 
peace, resolving all claims and ending the conflict between 
them. 
    He said any settlement must be based on U.N. resolutions 
242 and 338, and that "we must also resolve questions 
concerning Jerusalem, the plight and future of Palestinian 
refugees, and a final peace between Israel and Lebanon, and 
Israel and a Syria that supports peace and fights terror." 
    A senior U.S. official said Secretary of State Colin Powell 
was in contact with leaders in the region but was not 
immediately going there, as had been widely reported. 
 Bush did not mention the prospect of a Middle East peace 
conference, which U.S. officials have said they hope to hold 
this summer. The U.S. official said the situation was too 
volatile at this moment to try to arrange a conference. 
((Washington newsroom, fax 202 898 8383, email 
Washington.bureau.newsroom@reuters.com)) 

154 posted on 06/24/2002 1:15:13 PM PDT by RCW2001
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To: Howlin
I think there will be a major bamb attack within the next 24 hours, and that will be the Palestinian answer to the Bush speech. Another major blast and resulting Israeli response will throw the entire speech out the window. THEY WANT HATE,THEY DONT WANT PEACE. I am so sick of "2 states living side by side in peace" mantra. The Palestinians do not want Israel to even exist. Blind hatred.
155 posted on 06/24/2002 1:15:24 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: SJackson
I think I did hear him say that... but that is not a subsequent condition... not a first condition. They only need to pull back to where they were before Operation Defensive Shield.
156 posted on 06/24/2002 1:15:25 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Howlin
When will "they" EVER learn!

LOL - we know the answer to that one!

157 posted on 06/24/2002 1:15:25 PM PDT by mombonn
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To: Mo1
I saw you on the other thread but came over here where the "action" was - sorry I didn't ping you to join us.
158 posted on 06/24/2002 1:15:42 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Bush's speech provides the entre for a policy of war against Palestinian terror. That's not a waste at all. And it's many miles from where we were when Powell was sent in practical supplication a couple months ago.

I would tend to agree. I think he's giving Israel cover for aggressive actions in rooting out terror. The Palestinian's have an out, which they won't take.

I think the lack of any specific US action, ie Powell or Zinni trip, call for summit, etc. may be significant.

159 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:03 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: ResistorSister
Like the Bible says: I have set before you life and death...choose life

Wasn't that the clincher, quoting the Bible to Muslims, LOL!!!

160 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:16 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Howlin
Well, I myself was quite malcontent with the policy that flowed out of the Powell mission -- so I'm not one to cast aspersions upon those who disagree with Bush here (I've disagreed at times with his policies myself).

But Bush has clearly moved a long ways from the Powell mission's adjunct policy -- in the right direction in my opinion.

Palestinian rejection (a certainty, I think) allows now for open support of the U.S. for Israeli war against the terror institutions in the West Bank and Gaza. I consider this very positive.

Many have said here that Bush, in this speech, is still appeasing terror in the Middle East. I disagree. If this is appeasement, it is appeasing while pointing a cocked pistol at their head, and giving the choice of surrender now, or surrender after the trigger is pulled.

Bush did well today. And I haven't always said so before regarding the middle east.

161 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:21 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: cactusSharp
it point blank is an ultimatum..do it NOW or else

Or else what?

162 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:25 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Howlin
I cannot wait to see the entire speech posted. Also, he talks about how if a democratic government will succeed in the West Bank, then it will give hope to millions of oppressed people. Then he went to talking about democracy flourishing in Islamic countries. (Saudis must be a bit nervous.) Then he made it plain that ANYONE in the region who aids terror is on the enemy list.

Talked about Palestinians haveing a CONSTITUTION and we will AUDIT any moneys and apparently he has the World Bank and the EU on board with this.

You know, Howlin, he just might do it and get that Peace Prize!!! LOLOL!!

163 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:39 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Catspaw
Let the PA people watch Arafat DENY them a state.

As they says, "Arafat has never missed a chance to miss an opportunity."

164 posted on 06/24/2002 1:16:56 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
If the war on terrorism was blury..it just got focused by todays speach...
Wow!!..The President laid it right on all those who are "Screwing" around..and named them.
Iran..Syria..Iraq,Hizbullah,Hamas,Islamic Jihad.
There's a whisper of intent here by this...Democracy is the Hallmark for nations and nationbuilding,for commerce..and for personal freedoms.

Democracy will not yeild to the spirit of Islamic demand!

165 posted on 06/24/2002 1:17:12 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Mo1
You mean Yasser didn't want his people to hear the President's speech? Well, well, well....this won't score any points in Bush's book.
166 posted on 06/24/2002 1:17:24 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: RCW2001
Bush supports Israel over the Palis!!!

To all the naysayers, ES&D.

167 posted on 06/24/2002 1:17:33 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: cmsgop
Yes. You can be in charge of the shih tzu segement because they WILL be our show dog!
168 posted on 06/24/2002 1:17:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: rintense
If and when the Pali's get new leadership and stop the terrorism. That's as clear as it can get. Good job, don't you think?
169 posted on 06/24/2002 1:17:51 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: rintense
like William Wallace of Scottish fame
Dubya had bolts of lightnin' launching
from his arse....and took deadly aim.
170 posted on 06/24/2002 1:18:02 PM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Sniff .. it's ok .. I was able to hear the President's speach better ..

Arafat is OUTTA HERE

171 posted on 06/24/2002 1:18:08 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: ksen
You leave that open so you can do what needs to be done. Kind of like dire consequences. Sounds bad, could be bad, should be avoid at all cost.
172 posted on 06/24/2002 1:18:14 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Delbert
I agree with you 100 percent. Then there won't be anybody screaming for Bush to "hold Israel back," will there?
173 posted on 06/24/2002 1:18:31 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Wolf Blitzer just said that this was an overwhelmingly pro Israel speech and the Israeli government should be extremely pleased with this speech.Guess he hasn't gotten the talking points from David Gregory and Helen Thomas, yet.
174 posted on 06/24/2002 1:18:53 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Catspaw
You mean Yasser didn't want his people to hear the President's speech? Well, well, well....this won't score any points in Bush's book.

Apparently not ...

175 posted on 06/24/2002 1:19:15 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Scott,

I read that the division was Cheney/Rumsfield versus Powell. I think Cheney won. There is no Palestinian state until they act like they are human being and not animals. And the head animal has got to go. Period.

If the Palestinians say no... then, Bush is free to move as he wants.

176 posted on 06/24/2002 1:19:31 PM PDT by carton253
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To: rintense
I have laid before you today both life and death.

Therefore, choose life.
177 posted on 06/24/2002 1:19:32 PM PDT by AlGone2001
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
There's probably a whole lot of distraut Ivy League diplomats about ready to jump off...

(a) they don't have the stones (b) they are too busy partying with Arab embassy chauffers/spies...

178 posted on 06/24/2002 1:19:34 PM PDT by Yehuda
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To: Mo1
Jennifer Griffin just mentioned that the President's speach was not aired in Pal

I suppose they aired Mickey Martyr cartoons instead.

Seriously, that sounds ominous. Our media were (and still are) convinced that Bush was going to offer a Palestinian state, but the Palis appear to have believed all along that he would NOT and so did not want anyone to hear the speech.

179 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:12 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
It's always best to WAIT and hear what this man has to say himself.

He smacked the PA today -- and knocked the CRAP out of the press.........love it!

180 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:15 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Mo1
What is it the young people say? Yasser is soooo yesterday.
181 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:34 PM PDT by ladtx
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To: Howlin
Oh Goody! LMAO!
182 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:49 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: Delbert
Bush know this, he is leaving it up to the palis and arabs to blow it. Cards are on the table!
183 posted on 06/24/2002 1:20:57 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
He came out fully loaded. Did you notice when he wanted to make a particular point, he looked dead-on into the camera? LOVED it. He was very light on Israel. I thought for sure he'd be much harder on them. I am so pleased. This was all about the Palestinians making choices: either you want peace and life, or you want terrorism and death.

184 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:05 PM PDT by rintense
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To: mhking
You posted, You've got to rack the balls before you run the table...

Great! I haven't heard that since my days of youth hollering "Rack them!".

185 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: RCW2001
Big carrot, little if any stick.

Sounds like a great CARROT for the Palestinians give they form elections.

What is the STICK that the U.S. will commit themselves too?

Ask yourselves what is the result when this soft overture (once again) fails?
And I thought the Paletinians already violated conditions for 242, etc.

Talk ... talk.

186 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:19 PM PDT by flamefront
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To: Miss Marple
You know, Howlin, he just might do it and get that Peace Prize!!! LOLOL!!

Sure would piss off Clinton if he did .. LOL

187 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:25 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Catspaw; Mo1
The speech wasn't on the radio over there????????????????
188 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: AlGone2001
Bush is a traitor.

This is uncalled for. I would expect this sort of comment over at DU not here.

He has given into terrorism.

Calm down, please explain what part of his speech gives you that impression.
I didn't hear anything in his speech that would make me agree with your statement.

189 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:43 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: ksen
or else no food no water...no chit....

I walk away is the or else
190 posted on 06/24/2002 1:21:58 PM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: RCW2001
Pressterrorists speak again.
191 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:02 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: flamefront
Already major dissent from the Palestinians: "Arafat is our elected leader and will not step down."
192 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:13 PM PDT by July 4th
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To: RCW2001
I swear both accounts you have posted are using completely 'SPUN' headlines that are so misleading, that unless you watched the speech, you'd think he wanted a Palestinian state tomorrow.
193 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:15 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Howlin
Because he has given them THE choices they HAVE to make to GET a state. If they don't come along, they are NOT going to get a state. They can choose now.

Was this a mystery before today? Is THIS what has been the missing piece in the centuries of Middle Eastern violance? I don't think so.

It was a very good speech, to be sure, but in the end, it's just more words that will probably be ignored. IF the terrorism stopd because of this speech, then I will hail it as the great piece of statesmanship that it would be. WHEN it doesn't, what will we do? That was not outlined in the speech (unless I missed it... I did run to take care of the dogs for a second). He made no promises in that vein to follow through on.

So how will some more rhetoric be regarded by the devout Jihadists? It will be ignored. This was a speech directed at the Middle East, but intended for American consumption, IMHO.

194 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:23 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Howlin
I just wonder if Bush thinks or knows that this is for the most part unobtainable because of the mind set of the Palestinians and most Arabs. He is stating our position, drawing the lines in the sand. Heres your chance, show us what you got or DIE in your terrorist ways.
195 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:26 PM PDT by Delbert
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To: rintense
This was all about the Palestinians making choices: either you want peace and life, or you want terrorism and death

Exactly !!!

196 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:49 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Howlin
Saeb Erekat is on MSNBC, just babbling the same Palie talking points (including Yasser being democratically elected). My eyes are rolling, Big Time. Erekat doesn't realize his days--are well as Yasser's--are numbered.

Oh, & he just said, they've "been negotiating with Israel for 10 years & we need to start where we left off."

I punctuated this statement with yet another eye-roll.

197 posted on 06/24/2002 1:22:50 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Theo
Suicide bomber is a much better term.

If a Muslim places a satchel filled with explosives in a bus station and it kills people, he is a homicide bomber, even though he was miles away when the blast occured.

"Suicide bomber" best catches the insanity of the Jihadist mindset.
198 posted on 06/24/2002 1:23:10 PM PDT by gjpino
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To: cactusSharp
Dubya had bolts of lightnin' launching

Watch for the pictures; look at the flag; the lightning bolts WILL be there.

199 posted on 06/24/2002 1:23:14 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: mhking
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I do remember him specifically mention 1967.
200 posted on 06/24/2002 1:23:41 PM PDT by traditionalist
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