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Email: The Future of Free Republic
Email | 06/25/02 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/25/2002 3:42:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The following email is being circulated to our members by various disgruntled former FReepers:

Subject: The Future of Our Free Republic

Dear Fellow Free Republic Member,

Many of us at Free Republic are distressed by the extraordinary level of censorship that has been so obviously going on. It is very obvious that individual posts, entire threads, and the entire work of members who have been highly regarded are disappearing into a Memory Hole.

Scores of us have organized an e-mail network that is independent of the communication controls presently, and sadly, being used at our Free Republic. We have carefully documented the unmistakeable evidence that most of the posts, threads, and posters that are vaporized completely are overwhelmingly targeted for their political stance on the Right. These are not Leftwingers. These are not even Middle-of-the-Roaders. These are not disruptors. These are not foul-mouthed delinquents. These are fellow patriots on the Right who disagree with the controllers of FR on specific issues that are now hotly debated by the Right. We have documented that FR will parade before you, as if to hide all of the great posters whose work has been destroyed, a straw-man delinquent that has been banned. This is deceptive.

Treating these fellow patriots on the Right so shabbily is not right. As shabbily as those banned into the Memory Hole are being treated, the most shabbily treated of all are all of the good folks on Free Republic themselves. We came here for honest debate. Free Republic advertised itself as a Forum for honest debate. Without that honest debate...everything at Free Republic becomes shabby.

We can do much better. As a measure of how intense the simmering feelings have gotten among members on this unjustifiable use of deleting, censoring, and banning please link to the following thread. You will notice that one simple and sincere plea from one of our finest members has spontaneously touched off a prairie fire of approximately 500 posts in a mere 18 hours. If it isn't Memory Holed this thread may shoot into the thousands.

If you would like to receive anonymous updates of information concerning the hundreds of Freepers who have networked via e-mail to restore the wonderful honest debate to Free Republic, just drop an e-mail of just one or two words if you like for extreme brevity to:

StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com

And, here's that link back to the snowballing thread at FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/704701/posts

Thank you so much for giving your thought to this vital matter for our Internet home.

Sincerely, StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com



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To: Jim Robinson
Liberty Forum has a low volume of traffic with a few posters (15 or so) making most of the posts. Anti Jewish and anti Israel posters there express themselves pretty much any which way they want.
51 posted on 06/25/2002 5:00:06 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Rivendell
I forgot to ping you to this too.
52 posted on 06/25/2002 5:02:13 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Jim Robinson
The one and only point of complaint I agree with is that there is an identifiable coterie of government and/or public relations shills on FR, as much as there were CFR tin-foiler, racists, etc. Banning them or instituting a Slashdot-like system of "karma" and/or the ability to filter out specific posters would further improve FR content.

And that is a VERY minor quibble with a job magnificently well done.

53 posted on 06/25/2002 5:02:52 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Jim Robinson
I too saw that thread where LF members were bragging about how many times they have been banned here. LF is interesting the first few times, then it gets to be predictable and dumb ..... and low amount of traffic like I said.
54 posted on 06/25/2002 5:03:58 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I find it amusing that these individuals think they have some sort of constitutional 'right' to post on FreeRepublic.

These are the individuals that always get in a lather about their free "speach"?

Anyway, betcha I know who the author of that letter is. The style is somewhat unmistakable.

55 posted on 06/25/2002 5:06:16 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Jim and fellow Freepers:
I agree with you ,but I am nosy and want to see some of this for myself so I will try and look into it.
I am a very opinionated person and probably have written some things that come close to what you ban here.But to date I have had nothing removed or never been warned about anything to my knowledge.
I harbor no ill will against any person,their lifestyle,race,creed or color but I strongly resent certain things being pushed down the publics throats in the name of equality and I know this feeling can be used against me,so be it.
Saying that just keep up the good work and you can count on my quarterly support as long as I can afford it.Keep us abreast of changes and updates and if I disagree I can always go somewhere else,this is a free country.
56 posted on 06/25/2002 5:06:31 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, they've reported and I've reported, you decide.

Jim, first off, thank you - thanks for a wonderful place to have intelligent conversation, free (at least for the most part) from ad hominum attacks. It feels good to tell what's on my chest without being called an Uncle Tom or Sellout.

As for the nattering nabobs, let 'em go do what they want. The simple fact that they feel compelled to contact every banned member of FR actually shows their level of contempt combined with jealousy.

Now you, on the other hand, keep on fighting the good fight. I can safely say that the rest of us are behind you.

57 posted on 06/25/2002 5:07:41 AM PDT by mhking
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To: DB
There were many more than 100 that were involved in training and funding of just the 19 that went down with their flying bombs. If you think Al Qaeda has only 100 members that planned this then your living in another world.

Probably a handful of others. My proof would be that we didn't detect it and if there were more than a handful we would have.

When Muslim countries scream over and over "Death to America" you think they are just crying wolf?

Those are the rantings of exploited and brainwashed fools.

bin Ladin declared war on America back in the mid 90's and nobody listened. Not listening is the mistake.

You are being naiive. We supported bin Laden in the mid 90's for stupid geo-political reasons.

58 posted on 06/25/2002 5:10:13 AM PDT by palmer
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To: Jim Robinson
I won't cry for anyone who gets booted from FR. I wouldn't mind if there were a few more. It seems to me there are several people here who only come on to some threads to be a muckraker, lob baseless and childish insults, and refuse to actually debate facts and figures.

There are several people who get their kicks by finding every thread they can that bashes their favorite enemy (libertarians, gays, Mexicans, etc.) and devolve the thread into inflammatory insults and grammatical nitpicking.

As far as I can recall, I've only had one post pulled and that was because someone got offended at my good faith attempt at humor. Understandable. On the other hand, there are some here who have posts pulled on nearly every thread they enter. If I were JimRob, I wouldn't give them nearly the leniency he does. They ought to feel lucky that I'm not the AdminModerator.

Let them whine - that's all they usually did here. Some of us like having a forum where we can actually discuss issues like civilized adults.

59 posted on 06/25/2002 5:10:37 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Jim Robinson
I don't have a problem with banning posters you feel are making inappropriate comments. After all this is your website. FR is like a TV, if you don't like it here then change the channel.

One thing for everybody to remember is that the whole internet is watching. Some RATS lurk here just trying to find some reply that can be used to brand Free Republic as a right wing hate site. Remember the anthrax rumors.

60 posted on 06/25/2002 5:11:36 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Jim Robinson
"The vast majority of FReepers have never been banned, never been suspended, never had a post pulled, and never had a moderator send them a warning message. "

Your only "bad" argument, Jim.

If:
"The vast majority of Americans have never been shot or killed by the FBI or DEA, have never been unjustly accused of a crime, nor have had their property confiscated by the government for unConstitutional purposes".....

This must mean that there are no problems to worry about.

61 posted on 06/25/2002 5:13:17 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the update
62 posted on 06/25/2002 5:15:52 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Jim Robinson
you seem to have spawned "welfare freepers", those who think that you owe them a forum
63 posted on 06/25/2002 5:17:05 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: ASA Vet
I feel neglected.

I've only had one thread pulled, and one stern FR gram from you regarding that thread.

LOL.
Guess you're just not trying hard enough to allow your convictions and passion to get through.
Curiously, the current Islamic world problem is what got me a membership in your club.
Kinda makes me feel warm and fuzzy...

66 posted on 06/25/2002 5:23:54 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Pokey78
In high school I was voted "least likely to ever be booted out of a chat group" (of course our computers were running on steam power, at 1 byte per hour in those days).
67 posted on 06/25/2002 5:24:26 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Jim Robinson
the extraordinary level of censorship that has been so obviously going on

You're right in saying that this isn't true. In fact, FR is quite tolerant of diverse ideas and opinions. As for the racists, revisionists, anarchists, spammers, anti-Americans, etc., a taste of their own medicine will do them no harm.
68 posted on 06/25/2002 5:25:30 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Jim Robinson
I just received this jewel in my email from the same guy:

"Thanks [name of one of our best FR posters omitted], You can forward any e-mails you get from StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com (or any of the other communications nodes that we have outside of FR) to [name omitted of a great poster banned yesterday]. Among the reasons for this back channel of communication are to help folks like [name omitted]: a)find new and other forums on the Internet where their fine writing can be effective (like LibertyForum.org and LibertyPost), and; b)learn how to defeat the censorship mechanisms at FR to get back onto the forum, and; c)give them a big thank you for their work on behalf of free speech for patriots; and d)get them to give us more good ideas and leads drawn from their hard work.

Each of us will naturally develop our own little, average, big, or huge "circle" of fellow patriots who know and trust us as reliable communicators. That's natural, easy, and more powerful than centralizing ourselves. And that way we don't get stuck with any of us having to agree all the time with any one of us. That's the dead end than Robinson has driven FR into.

By trying to scare or chill good folks on FR into toeing his line, Robinson is really closing off the energy and future of FR. Let me share this little obvious "secret" with you: the more Robinson censors our folks the more he BUILDS INTEREST in what we have to say! Thank you JR! Keep it up! You can't win as a censor on the wide-open Internet. If you attempt to censor us you GIVE US the free gift of white-hot interest in our forbidden writings. And if you stop censoring us...then we've also won, since that's our goal - to be heard on an open forum. Maybe at some point Robinson will drop his ego long enough to realize that we don't even care personally about him....all we care about is free speech for patriot writers.

As far as Robinson's concerned, as the guy who owns one of the printing presses, all we're going to do is make him somewhat rich if he keeps censoring us, and really rich if he stops. Thanks for some of the best posts on FR ever, Vallandigham P.S. We need to spread info on how JR tracks our identities. I'm only a half-ass techie. We need some real pro's to share with us ways to get around whatever cookies, or IP address recognizers, or other red flags that prevent us from getting back in to post after we've been banned. Some of my methods are working. Other things I try fail. But one way or another I get back in. Even if I have to spend a small amount of dough on extra IP services (which I do).

Anybody who'd like to know more about what StopCensoringUs and friends are doing about the oppressive level of censorship at FR can e-mail anytime confidentially to: StopCensoringUs@hotmail.com.

Keep up the good work, Vallandigham"

That makes a total of six of these type of emails: four from Vallandigham and two from some brave genius known as "anonymous." I thought you might be interested.

69 posted on 06/25/2002 5:30:47 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Jim Robinson
Yeah, there have been some posts and threads pulled for little reason, but considering the stuff that I have posted, I don't think censorship has been so bad as to cause the death of FR.
70 posted on 06/25/2002 5:31:43 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Jim Robinson
1 posted on 6/25/02 6:42 AM Eastern by Jim Robinson

Let's see.....Posted at 6:42 AM Eastern....that would be 3:42 AM Pacific Time.....

Jim, do you EVER sleep?

Many Thanks for all your wonderful work!

71 posted on 06/25/2002 5:33:09 AM PDT by jigsaw
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To: OneidaM; coteblanche
It takes a really severe, and usually repeated, offense to get banned on FR. Besides, people can make their points without hate or attacks; if these guys can't then they deserved to be banned.

I have only had one thread pulled, and that was because it was a duplicate thread. But -- oh!! -- the mental anguish!!! I am scarred for life!!!
72 posted on 06/25/2002 5:33:19 AM PDT by Bitwhacker
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To: Jim Robinson
I remember central scrutinizer. What an ass.
73 posted on 06/25/2002 5:37:40 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: bologna.ban
As long as the Mse and cheese threads don't get pulled, I'm a happy camper.
74 posted on 06/25/2002 5:38:57 AM PDT by BlueLancer
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To: Skooz
What I find fascinating is that we see them trying to sneak back into FR. I don't see people rushing to get on their sites. I'm flattered.
75 posted on 06/25/2002 5:41:13 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Jim Robinson
Treating these fellow patriots on the Right so shabbily is not right. As shabbily as those banned into the Memory Hole are being treated, the most shabbily treated of all are all of the good folks on Free Republic themselves. We came here for honest debate. Free Republic advertised itself as a Forum for honest debate. Without that honest debate...everything at Free Republic becomes shabby.

What a shabby little paragraph this is.

76 posted on 06/25/2002 5:41:13 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: palmer
but I do not believe anyone should propose slaughtering 1000's or millions of Muslims.

Ironic,ain't it?

77 posted on 06/25/2002 5:43:14 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: palmer
hi palmer
thank you for your post (#7)
I agree with you
Love, Palo
78 posted on 06/25/2002 5:45:04 AM PDT by palo verde
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To: chemainus
...I do not like censorship. However in a situation like we have here, blatant and continuous insemination of leftist propaganda merely clogs up genuine discussion...

I'm generally with you, but "censorship" implies that the poster has some sort of protected "right" to use FR. This is a private forum and its owners/moderators can toss anyone they choose in the same way a small business can refuse to serve a customer. Supply and demand will come into play if folks think there is excessive "censorship", and I see more FR users not less.

79 posted on 06/25/2002 5:46:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Night Hides Not
If these guys are so smart, why don't they invest the time and resources to start their own site?

The have. It's called the Liberty Forum. Click on one of the links and see for yourself. Lots of anarchists and anti-American posters there. I don't think this is what the forum founders wanted,but they were determined to have a totally "free-speech" site,so that's what they ended up with.

80 posted on 06/25/2002 5:47:04 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Jim Robinson
Nothing new here. Just seeing the American story being played out. Federalist # 10 sum things up pretty well.

I prefer to think of Free Republic as a particularly jolly tavern. The barkeep has a responsibility to keep breakage to a minimum, and eject any particularly obnoxious patron who can't hold their liquor. I like it here, and should I decide otherwise, I hope to have the class to leave graciously.

81 posted on 06/25/2002 5:48:46 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SkyPilot
Nor does that mean that new posters are somehow lesser human beings, unfit morally, and lack the same access to this wonderful forum than anybody else.

Of course it does! You haven't seen the "disruptor/member since yesterday!" screams?

82 posted on 06/25/2002 5:50:30 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Jim Robinson
scan FR all day long and bring back to their mouse holes little tidbits from FReeperdom and they post these little morsels on their forums, scurry around excitedly and condemn the FReeper or FReepers whose posts they find amusing.


This goes on and on until they get bored and then start feeding on each other (mainly because they love to hate, doesn't matter who, hate anyone even each other, I mean we are really dealing with the dregs of life's losers here). Soon they splinter, kill off their forum and start two or three new competing anti-Freeper forums and the cycle begins anew. And Free Republic lives on.

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The above sums them all up!

The AF groups are nothing but a hate filled bunch of losers!
83 posted on 06/25/2002 5:51:11 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Cachelot
Anyway, betcha I know who the author of that letter is. The style is somewhat unmistakable.

Uh huh.

No surprise that it's coming from the Liberty Forum.

84 posted on 06/25/2002 5:52:04 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I've found that being atheist is grounds for being warned and flamed. I'm not going to allow someone else to tell me whether or not I'm a conservative, and I enjoy reading and participating here. What's a godless conservative to do?
86 posted on 06/25/2002 5:52:47 AM PDT by Libertarian4Bush
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To: Johnny Shear
Hi Johnny
I agree with your post (#47)
I find ''nuke mecca'' posts mindless
Love, Palo
87 posted on 06/25/2002 5:53:05 AM PDT by palo verde
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To: coteblanche
Malcontents abound
There is no way to change Truth
Sulk, then, silently
88 posted on 06/25/2002 5:55:44 AM PDT by Bitwhacker
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To: Skooz
P.S. We need to spread info on how JR tracks our identities. I'm only a half-ass techie. We need some real pro's to share with us ways to get around whatever cookies, or IP address recognizers, or other red flags that prevent us from getting back in to post after we've been banned. Some of my methods are working. Other things I try fail. But one way or another I get back in. Even if I have to spend a small amount of dough on extra IP services (which I do).

Is this guy obsessed, or what!

89 posted on 06/25/2002 5:58:07 AM PDT by maica
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To: Jim Robinson
A link to the thread where the dialog you quoted resides.
90 posted on 06/25/2002 5:59:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson
I found the email complaining about "censorship" here about as useful as the dark runny contents of a well used baby diaper.
91 posted on 06/25/2002 5:59:06 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: palmer
What about those who propose genocide against certain religions? I have no great love for Islam, but I do not believe anyone should propose slaughtering 1000's or millions of Muslims.

Jim and his moderators would like to state that they do not tolerate any kind of genocide or racist statements, and that they were all out taking a leak when these "kill-all-muslims" posts made it onto the board. They would further like to state that all posters are quite equal at Free Republic, and that in fact, in a major step forward for the concept of Equality, some are even way more equal than others.

92 posted on 06/25/2002 6:00:03 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: maica
Is this guy obsessed, or what!

Yep. Sounds like the victim of a life-ectomy.

93 posted on 06/25/2002 6:03:23 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Admin Moderator
I see todd fahey is still at it with his LSD induced spew over there.
95 posted on 06/25/2002 6:04:11 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Jim Robinson
I've been a member a long time and I appreciate the forum and the way it is managed. I've never had a post pulled, nor been banned. But without naming names.... I can think of a few names that I'm glad are no longer around.

Thanks for all that you do.

96 posted on 06/25/2002 6:06:50 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: TLBSHOW
What was Fahey's FR name?
97 posted on 06/25/2002 6:07:39 AM PDT by Rodney King
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Brilliant analogy, Slim! Just do me one favor: give me a heads-up when its time for you to delver your opus! LOL! :^D
98 posted on 06/25/2002 6:09:16 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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Some more games.
99 posted on 06/25/2002 6:11:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
One guy calls their last banning from here a classic. What Af fools they are, with no lives but to watch what is said here.

Thanks for the link. It was a riot. Sums up no life people if you can even call them people.
100 posted on 06/25/2002 6:11:43 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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