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Report from Front Lines: Visit to Sierra Club Office
me | 6/25/2002 | me

Posted on 06/25/2002 11:45:58 AM PDT by RooRoobird14

Hubby just called to report on his visit to the local Sierra Club office in Phoenix.

He had tried calling many times yesterday, and couldn't get through on the phone lines.

Their office front doors were locked--he kept knocking and knocking until they gave up and let him in (LOL). The office window shades were drawn, and they obviously wanted everyone to think they were closed.

The woman who runs the office is one PISSED OFF bull dyke(not making this up). She was extremely angry that he was "bothering" them. She said she was "too busy" and "didn't have time to talk to people like him."

He asked her how many lawyers the Sierra Club employed, and she refused to answer. He asked her what the Sierra Club was doing to help put out the fires and she said "that's none of your business.". He asked her how much federal (taxpayer) grant money the Sierra Club got this year; she said "I don't have to answer that question."

There was a young man in the office who was actually polite and willing to talk to my hysband, but the B.D. was an absolute b*tch.

While hubby was in the office, the B.D. was replaying recorded phone messages left for them by angry callers. Hubby overhead three of the messages. All three were from enraged refugees of the fire who left f-word-peppered messages. One man (said he lost his home in the fire) said he was going to get even with them, he had a gun, and he'd take his time to get even. The BD was taking notes and muttering about filing police reports.

While I don't support anyone threatening violence on the Sierra Club, I can certainly understand how some of the displaced residents could be completely enraged at this point.

Frankly, I'm glad Governor Hull set off a firestorm criticizing enviro-wacko groups and how their lawsuits have paralyzed the Forest Service in general. The dialogue that's ensuing is a good thing.


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Last comment hubby made to the BD and her staff: "People are really angry and you think they're unfairly accusing you of trying to hurt people with your policies. Now you know what it's like to be a Republican."

I'm married to a wonderful man!!!!!

1 posted on 06/25/2002 11:45:58 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: RooRoobird14
What a cool report - and you're right, a wonderful hubby!

They can dish it, but can't take it, eh?

2 posted on 06/25/2002 11:49:57 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: RooRoobird14
Glad to hear that the Sierra Club is also feeling the heat.
3 posted on 06/25/2002 11:55:28 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Howlin; kayak; Clemenza; Orion; MeeknMing; editor-surveyor; Jeff Head; rintense; RikaStrom; ...
Ping!
4 posted on 06/25/2002 11:56:41 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Semper Paratus
It's about time they were held accountable for their neverending bullsh*t litigation.
5 posted on 06/25/2002 11:57:03 AM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: RooRoobird14
I hope the people who lost everything in those fires SUE THE HELL OUTTA THOSE BASTARDS!!! I hope this organization GOES the way of the DINOSUARS and the NAGS!! ENOUGH of the INSANITY!!
6 posted on 06/25/2002 11:57:21 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: RooRoobird14
Good job by your good husband!
7 posted on 06/25/2002 12:00:55 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: RooRoobird14
Bttt! Good for him!
8 posted on 06/25/2002 12:01:12 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: RooRoobird14; anniegetyourgun; EternalVigilance
Frankly, I'm glad Governor Hull set off a firestorm criticizing enviro-wacko groups and how their lawsuits have paralyzed the Forest Service in general. The dialogue that's ensuing is a good thing.

The Sierra Club will spontaneously combust over this issue, if we can keep up the heat on this. All puns intended.

What a great job your husband did here. Thank him from me for being a true American.

PS 322.000 acres and counting, is a whole lot of precious, pristine wildlife habitat needlessly destroyed because of Sierra Club opposition to logging, thinning and necessary road building. Thanks a lot Sierra Club, for your burning desire to preserve at any cost.

9 posted on 06/25/2002 12:02:34 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: RooRoobird14
Question for you - did your "hubby" notice if the parking lot was full of SUV's or other type vehicles? My money says there were several in the parking lot and that the "BD" likely drives a Land Rover despite the fact that those type vehicles are enviornazi targets...
10 posted on 06/25/2002 12:03:51 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Grampa Dave
"The woman who runs the office is one PISSED OFF.. "

Perhaps she saw all this as an unpleasant distraction from doing the work of OPEC and large energy company stamping out smaller competitors. Standard S.C. business.

11 posted on 06/25/2002 12:06:12 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: monkeywrench
FYI (from the local chapter website):

"June 27 (Thu) The Palo Verde Group (Sierra Club) Executive Committee meets to discuss local policy on issues ranging from conservation to politics to outings.

The 7:00 p.m. meeting will be held at the NEW Sierra Club office at 202 E. McDowell Road, Suite 277, Phoenix (in the Los Olivos hotel/office complex). For more information, contact Ted Gartner 480-961-0370."

LOL, it would be interesting to see what the Executive Committee has to say at this point!! This sounds like something Freepers ought to try attending.

If I wasn't going to be out of town (really!), hubby and I would be there (there's always next month's meeting-LOL)

12 posted on 06/25/2002 12:07:07 PM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: RoseofTexas
SUE THE HELL OUTTA THOSE BASTARDS!!!

Wouldn't that be something. The democrats #1 contributors, Trial Lawyers, litigating a multi-billion dollar class action lawsuit against the democrats #3 or #4? contributor, the Environmental Groups?

13 posted on 06/25/2002 12:07:51 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
LOL--he didn't mention SUV's, but I'll ask him. Heck, I have to sort of go that way on the way home-- I think I'll check things out!
14 posted on 06/25/2002 12:08:49 PM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: RooRoobird14
KUDOS to Hubby!
15 posted on 06/25/2002 12:09:35 PM PDT by joyce11111
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To: RooRoobird14
Great story and good for you husband.

It is time we drag all of these human haters out of their Club Sierra offices and hold their elite feet to these fires. Fires that are a direct result of their anti human efforts to block any removal of dead trees, dead brush and unwanted brush.

Re this remark, "The woman who runs the office is one PISSED OFF bull dyke(not making this up).

Have you husband drive back to this Club Sierra office to see if the Bull Dyke parked its US FORESTRY SERVICE truck in the back of the Club Sierra office.

It sounds just like some of the Bull Dyke creatures with the Smokey Hat on and acting like Nazis in our forests. Of course you don't argue with them if they have a Glock in a holster as they glare at you and chase you out of an area that has become a new Druid Cathedral, we used to call them our forests.

I hope that you and your family are safe down there!
16 posted on 06/25/2002 12:09:38 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: RooRoobird14
Thanks!
17 posted on 06/25/2002 12:09:42 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: BOBTHENAILER; RoseofTexas; RooRoobird14
I sincerely hope that good lawyers will help these people file a billioin-dollar lawsuit against the Sierra Club. I want to know WHO gives them all their money, and we would find that out in the discovery phase. I also want to know who they give money to. I want them utterly and completely driven from business.
18 posted on 06/25/2002 12:13:32 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: RooRoobird14
BUMPTTT!!
 
And a great FReep of the watermelons by your hubby!
 
 
"People are really angry and you think they're unfairly accusing you of trying to hurt people with your policies. Now you know what it's like to be a Republican."
 
 LOL!!

19 posted on 06/25/2002 12:14:18 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: RooRoobird14; *Enviralists
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
20 posted on 06/25/2002 12:14:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: RooRoobird14
You can certainly be proud of your husband. He is an honorable man.
21 posted on 06/25/2002 12:14:40 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: RooRoobird14
Great job! Give your hubby a big hug from all of us!!!

A while ago, President Bush made some remarks to some of those evacuated from these fires. He got a rousing ovation when he said that something needs to be done about the policies that allow this sort of thing to happen.

[Note: that's very much my wording, not his. Maybe later his remarks will be posted at whitehouse.gov and someone can post them here.]
22 posted on 06/25/2002 12:14:58 PM PDT by kayak
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To: RooRoobird14
You Certainly Are!It's About TIME That"The Worm Has Turned"on The Enviro-Wackos!!!!!!!!!!
23 posted on 06/25/2002 12:15:15 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: anniegetyourgun
You husband's a good guy- and thanks for the report, it's very revealing.
24 posted on 06/25/2002 12:16:24 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: goodieD
He is an honorable man and continues to fight the good fight against the dark forces of the left. He's pretty cute too--LOL.
25 posted on 06/25/2002 12:17:14 PM PDT by RooRoobird14
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To: Miss Marple
I want them utterly and completely driven from business.

YES...YES...YES !!!!!!!!!!

26 posted on 06/25/2002 12:18:45 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: RooRoobird14
Frankly, I'm glad Governor Hull set off a firestorm criticizing enviro-wacko groups and how their lawsuits have paralyzed the Forest Service in general.
 
Is there a link to this?

27 posted on 06/25/2002 12:19:18 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Shermy
Oh Lord! Are you back again?
28 posted on 06/25/2002 12:19:26 PM PDT by Notforprophet
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To: RoseofTexas
Sorry--can't sue Sierra Club for filing lawsuits that result in disastrous environmental damage, nor can you sue teachers for failing to teach children to read, nor judges who send children away with dangerous caregivers to be abused, nor INS administrators who let terrorists in the door, nor lawyers for making our products and services too expensive to buy....I can go on and on with people who are morally culpable and legally untouchable.

You can, however, sue lots of people who have done nothing wrong...

29 posted on 06/25/2002 12:19:53 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: AnnaZ; RooRoobird14
Great work Roo by you and hubby....these folks need a tune-up.

And a great FReep of the watermelons by your hubby!

Anna, I'm assuming "green on the outside, red on the inside"??

Regards

30 posted on 06/25/2002 12:20:40 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Shermy
Hey knock it off and quit picking on big oil.

I like big oil and will go fill up my SUV this afternoon at a big oil station. No mom and pop gasoline refineries in Cali thanks to the enviral nazis.

You guys, who hate big oil should have to buy all of your gasoline from Club Sierra filling stations manned by hostile Bull Dyke Lesbo Envirals. You know the Club Sierra filling stations with mom and pop gas and with alternative energy coming soon in a decade or century or so to your area. Understand you might get a fuel cell in this century sometime, maybe.

In the mean time, I'm very happy to have big oil selling me gasoline for my big OJ Simpson autographed White Bronco.

Let us know the next time you fill up with a mom and pop gasoline. I hope you enjoy walking! :)

I know that you will not buy any gasoline from an evil big oil company. Just let us know when Club Sierra opens up their mom and pop gasoline station. With a maximum of one gallon each year per customer.

Club Sierra clean/Mom/Pop gas stations coming soon to your area sometime this century, maybe. :)
31 posted on 06/25/2002 12:21:03 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: RooRoobird14
They can file a lawsuit that halts cleaning up the deadfall (fuel) in the now burning forests at the drop of a hat. Why can't they be sued both as an organization and as individuals by those who have suffered loss as the result of their policies, lawsuits etc.? They aren't a government agency yet!
32 posted on 06/25/2002 12:24:50 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Notforprophet
Amazing how the little greenie princesses and princes have environmental interests that mesh up quite well with Daddy's or Hubby's Major Oil market interests. No competition to small to stomp on and squash like the bugs they are.

33 posted on 06/25/2002 12:25:23 PM PDT by bvw
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To: RooRoobird14; dittomom
it would be interesting to see what the Executive Committee has to say at this point!! This sounds like something Freepers ought to try attending.

What a great idea for a freep! I would be there in a heartbeat if I could. The press will eat it up if a few hundred people protested at the Sierra Club. An excellent time to get nonpolitical people involved in the conservative cause. Nothing like having your house burn down to raise consciousness.

Dittomom...your McCain Recall buddies still around?

34 posted on 06/25/2002 12:27:37 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: RooRoobird14
'Bull-Dykes'

I wonder what John Muir would think?

I agree, revenge is best served cold!

35 posted on 06/25/2002 12:28:02 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: wardaddy

Anna, I'm assuming "green on the outside, red on the inside"??

You got it, dad. Best description of 'em I ever came across*!
 
 
(*and then promptly swiped ;^)

36 posted on 06/25/2002 12:28:21 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: RooRoobird14
Great story, thanks for giving me a smile today. It's such a shame that my beautiful home state will suffer so much damage because of these b$%#^%$s, but I guess if it results in their extinction, some good will come out of this horror! GG
37 posted on 06/25/2002 12:28:51 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: Let's Roll
They can file a lawsuit that halts cleaning up the deadfall (fuel) in the now burning forests at the drop of a hat. Why can't they be sued both as an organization and as individuals by those who have suffered loss as the result of their policies, lawsuits etc.? They aren't a government agency yet!

The only way to find out is to actually file a suit and see what happens. Better yet, take a page from the anti-gunners handbook and file MULTIPLE suits in MULTIPLE jurisdictions.

Eventually, you will find a judge who doesn't think the Sierras are untouchable

38 posted on 06/25/2002 12:35:09 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: RooRoobird14
YES! You do have a wonderful husband and congratulations to you! Does my heart good to see the environmentalists confronted once and for all!

I'm from Colorado and there's a lot of pissed off people here, too, and to hell with the Sierra CLub and their stupid policies. We aren't going to take it anymore!

I'm typing this before I walk out the door for a meeting with our county officials, fire officials and forest service people tonight. We've been told that a fire in the San Isabel National Forest is almost inevitable and to make matters worse, we're in the middle of a dry thunderstorm.

We all can make a difference if we write to our congress people and scream bloody murder.

Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see the Sierra Club disappear.

39 posted on 06/25/2002 12:37:17 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: RooRoobird14
The head of the Sierra Club from Boulder, CO. came out with a statement a couple of days ago.

He blamed the drought.

40 posted on 06/25/2002 12:39:42 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: Grampa Dave
The Sierra Club is already launching a PR blitz to protect themselves. From the Arizona chapter:

A Few Facts for the Governor Hull... Mistaken and Misinformed on Arizona Fires Governor Jane Hull's comments about environmentalists and the fires in Arizona are misguided and misinformed. She has made allegations without having the facts about the forests, about the forest management, or about the work that groups like the Sierra Club are doing. More info and related links...

The Executive Committee meets on the last Thursday of each month at 7:00 p.m at the Historic Y, first floor conference room, 738 North Fifth Avenue (Fifth and University). Open to all Sierra Club members. Call 620-6401 for more information.

Sierra Club, Grand Canyon Chapter,
202 E. McDowell Rd, Suite 277,
Phoenix, AZ 85004,
(602) 253-8633

Can't find an email for the Arizona Sierra Club. The National SC, with a pull down list of all state chapters is here:http://www.sierraclub.org/.

If they are not countered soon, they will roll over everyone. Again.

41 posted on 06/25/2002 12:39:50 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Mamzelle
Sorry--can't sue Sierra Club for filing lawsuits that result in disastrous environmental damage

Why not?

42 posted on 06/25/2002 12:41:18 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Carry_Okie
We can't sue them, thanks to an Executive Order signed by their Poster Boy, the Clintoon, the first Black Enviralist President.

Hopefully, Carry is reading this and will post the link to the site.
43 posted on 06/25/2002 12:44:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: kayak
President Bush made some remarks to some of those evacuated from these fires. He got a rousing ovation when he said that something needs to be done about the policies that allow this sort of thing to happen

They just replayed Bush's address to the people of Show Low on Fox. Rousing ovation indeed. I'll bet we'll see it more than one place on this evening's news.

Maybe this incident will be the spark that lights the flame that finally burns down the "House that Gore and the Greenies Built".

44 posted on 06/25/2002 12:46:33 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: moondoggie
I'm from Colorado and there's a lot of pissed off people here, too, and to hell with the Sierra CLub and their stupid policies. We aren't going to take it anymore!

Organize a freep of their offices! Get some media attention on them before they are able to get their propaganda out. The Colorado Sierra Club is here:

http://www.sierraclub.org/co/

Rocky Mountain Chapter
www.rmc.sierraclub.org
1410 Grant Street, Ste B303
Denver CO 80203-1846

303-861-8819

Colorado Field Office
www.rmc.sierraclub.org/sw-co
2260 Baseline Rd. Ste. 105
Boulder, CO 80302
Phone 303-449-5595/ FAX 303-449-6520
e-mail: sw.field@sierraclub.org

Get this from their website:

Who We Are: Lisa Lewis Lisa Lewis, a Colorado Native, a Sierra Club member and the current Chair of the Gay and Lesbian Section (GLS), has been concerned with the environment's fragile state and population growth since her youth. Read more...

Isn't that special?

45 posted on 06/25/2002 12:47:32 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Miss Marple
I want to know WHO gives them all their money, and we would find that out in the discovery phase. I also want to know who they give money to.

I didn't have time to read this but you could start here:

http://www.guidestar.com/servlet/SearchServlet/

and type in Sierra Club. I couldn't get the link to work. Sorry Jane, I feel an html newbie all over again!

46 posted on 06/25/2002 12:51:17 PM PDT by LisaFab
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To: RooRoobird14
Thanks for the news. Someone needs to hold the Sierra Club's feet to the fire! Whoops, bad choice of words!
47 posted on 06/25/2002 12:52:01 PM PDT by LaGrone
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To: RooRoobird14
The Sierra Club answers those who lay the blame on the environmentalists. From Forest Fires, Beyond the Heat and Hype on the Sierra Club web site:

"Logging interests and pro-business federal agencies claim that we need to destroy our wild forests to help prevent dangerous forest fires. In fact, the reverse is true: logging has been shown to multiply the risk of catastrophic forest fires. That's because timber companies cut down the largest trees, which are the most resistant to fire, leaving behind flammable smaller trees and piles of debris. As this report shows, we need to protect, not log, our national forests - now more than ever."

There is a graph on page 10 of the full PDF report download that claims "The Forest Service can protect homes and communities from forest fires and provide recreation access without building new roads or subsidizing commercial logging"


"The Forest Service can protect homes and communities from forest fires and provide recreation access without building new roads or subsidizing commercial logging"..The Sierra Club


"Logging and roads cause fires"...The Sierra Club.

48 posted on 06/25/2002 12:53:59 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: RooRoobird14
They should be forced to build all their offices in the middle of forests so we can see them scamper when the next fire comes roaring down on them.
49 posted on 06/25/2002 12:55:19 PM PDT by Veggie Todd
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To: Semper Paratus
You should go to the Sierra Club web site and read a little of their "explanation" of why the fires are made worse by the big logging companies. Oh yes, I'm not kidding. They say that the loggers just chop down the biggest trees which are more resistant to fire and leave the little ones and debris all over. It's really amazing. I could only read so much of that crap before I had to bail out for my own health. Those wackos are just amazing. And dangerous.
50 posted on 06/25/2002 12:55:39 PM PDT by mc5cents
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