Terror Trail: WTC, OKC, 9-11

These aircraft use high-bypass turbofans. No afterburners.

Thanks. I didn't know that. All I knew was that they were VERY loud.

Good posts. Clinton "the protector" needed and fabricated his Reichtag.

Now wouldn't Hillary be a big factor here since she came up with the original VRWC stuff anyway. I mean in her support of the FARC, Suha Arafat, etc. she looks to have more than this level of political diversion going on here, yes?

Thanks for the ping. Very disturbing & frustrating at the same time.

Thanks for the ping, Fred.

Thanks for the great post. James Patterson of the Indy Star did another great opinion piece last Saturday. Its titled "Congress has Oklahoma witness tapes." Be sure and check it out before Friday. I am not sure they archive their columns.

I know that's a stretch, but one has to admit that anything was possible with Clinton.

BTTT

yes, it does. but alex jones is a tinfoiler, doncha know? ;)

When did you see this FBI agent report on seeing the tapes? Who was the FBI agent?

At first perusal, this looks like a good collection of articles, some of which have been posted here from well known mainstream and internet sources. I'll surely read this over when I'm done doing what I have to do today.

This is lunch break for me. I'm burying a new power feed to my well pump, if you can believe that anyone is crazy enough to dig a trench by hand in this heat.

Thanks for the link. I'll go over it tonight.

Edd

Excellent article. Thanks!

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

The Indianapolis Star
June 22, 2002
Pg. 12A
www.indystar.com/article.php?ecolpatterson22.html
Congress has Oklahoma witness tapes
JAMES PATTERSON

Thursday's Associated Press story "Weeks before Oklahoma bombing, government warned of possible terror attacks on federal buildings," by John Solomon, quickly got my attention.

Primarily because that declaration is something people who've followed my columns on a John Doe 2 connection to the April 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma federal building have seen before.

This is nothing new. I first wrote about these warnings in a May 25 column, "The FBI knew in '95, why didn't we?" The two articles quote much of the same intelligence - intelligence that has been strangely overlooked by major media until this week's AP report. Not to be smug, but check out the similarities. Here's what the AP said:

"Authorities were warned several times in the two months before Timothy McVeigh struck Oklahoma City in 1995 that Islamic-backed terrorists were planning to bomb a government building, according to documents obtained by the Associated Press."

My story published last month:

"Specific information has surfaced that the FBI and other intelligence agencies were told in early 1995, shortly before the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, that Islamic terrorists were about to strike government institutions in Washington D.C."

Here's an excerpt from the AP story on MSNBC's web site:

" 'Iranian sources confirmed Tehran's desire and determination to strike inside the U.S. against objects symbolizing the American government in the near future,' said a Feb. 27, 1995, terror warning by the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. 'These strikes are most likely to occur either in the immediate future or in the new Iranian year - starting 21 March 1995,' the congressional task force predicted."

From my May 25 column:

"The congressional task force's warning revealed that Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations sponsored by Iran and Syria had been discussing since late 1994 a campaign of attacks beginning in 1995."

Much of my story came from copies of the actual warnings and correspondence between Yossef Bodansky, executive director of Congressional Task Force, and Oklahoma TV investigative reporter Jayna Davis, formerly of Oklahoma City NBC-affiliate KFOR.

As a result of the warnings issued from the task force, the U.S. Marshals Service issued an alert on March 15, 1995, to the federal courthouses it protects. If the warnings had been shared with the public, no one knows whether the bombing could have been stopped.

But it's clear that the congressional task force has been sitting on vital information for five years that could reveal who were the "others unknown" indicted by a federal grand jury along with McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

Specifically, I've learned that the congressional task force is holding video and audio-taped interviews and statements gathered by Davis from 24 witnesses who want to testify they saw executed bomber Timothy McVeigh with the alleged John Doe 2, an Iraqi national, and other Middle Eastern men before and on the day of the bombing.

For instance, Mike Moroz, who worked at Johnny's Tire Store at 10th and Hudson, directed McVeigh to the federal building five blocks away at 5th and Harvey when he pulled into the station in the Ryder truck on the morning of April 19. Moroz says he can't forget that there were two people in the truck - McVeigh and a Middle Eastern-looking man wearing a ball cap.

Then there was the woman standing in the median near Robinson and Main who made eye contact with the Middle Eastern-looking driver of a brown Chevy pickup speeding away from the scene moments after the blast, and can never forget the angry expression on his face. The same truck the FBI had issued an All-Points Bulletin for immediately after the bombing.

"This evidence is of great importance to the Task Force's investigation," Bodansky wrote Oklahoma County District Judge Bryan Dixon Oct. 5, 1998. "Therefore, in the Spring of 1997, at my request, she (Jayna Davis) forwarded those tapes to my Congressional office for review and safekeeping.

"Having carefully studied these tapes, as well as other work of Ms. Davis, I'm convinced that the witnesses she had interviewed provide credible testimony. It is my professional conclusion, based on a lengthy experience with, and expertise in, international terrorism, that these witnesses are, in fact, justified in fearing for their lives in the event their recorded statements are compromised."

Now that we know the task force is sitting on evidence that ties foreigners to the Oklahoma bombing, I've just two questions for the FBI and the task force.

Where is alleged John Doe 2 Hussain Hashem Alhussaini, who went to work in the late '90s at Boston's Logan Airport where two of the 9/11 flights originated? And when will the public get to see those witness tapes?

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

The Indianapolis Star
May 25, 2002
Pg. 14A

The FBI knew in '95, why didn't we?
JAMES PATTERSON

Eleven months after Timothy McVeigh was put to death for the Oklahoma City bombing, a startling revelation has come to light.

Specific information has surfaced that the FBI and other intelligence agencies were told in early 1995, shortly before the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, that Islamic terrorists were about to strike government institutions in Washington, D.C.

Less than a week later, a federal task force updated its warning. The target focus had shifted from the East Coast to "government installations" located "at the heart of the U.S.," which would include Oklahoma City.

Shortly after the bombing of the Murrah building, Yossef Bodansky, executive director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, pieced together intelligence data strongly indicating that Islamic veterans of the 1979-89 Afghan war with the Soviet Union, who trained under Osama bin Laden, were responsible for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and the Oklahoma federal building. Sandra Howell-Elliot, assistant district attorney in Oklahoma County, asserted in a Jan. 18, 2000, affidavit, that there are "intra-agency memoranda between the FBI and a host of other agencies that were not provided to either Nichols' or McVeigh's lawyers or the State of Oklahoma." She didn't know it then, but she was on to something. But what?

Most likely prior warnings, the same type of information that bothers the nation today about Sept. 11. A CBS News poll out this week found that two-thirds of those surveyed don't think the Bush administration is "telling the entire truth" about what it knew before Sept. 11.

The Congressional Task Force's warning revealed that Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations sponsored by Iran and Syria had been discussing since late 1994 a campaign of attacks beginning in 1995. That document boils down to ideological differences between radical Muslims, peace-loving Muslims and the rest of the world.

"In a series of gatherings and conferences in mid-February 1995, senior officials of the Hizballah (Hezbollah) and other terrorist organizations, as well as senior officials of Iran and Syria, made specific threats against the U.S. Congress and the White House," the warning states.

"These threats were made during conferences devoted to declaring the forthcoming phase in Islamist 'Jihad' against the West, and particularly the U.S. Congress and the president of the United States as institutions that are great enemies of the Islamist movement and especially Iran. This is a deviation from past discussion of the subject of struggle against the U.S. in that the Islamist leaders went beyond referring to the U.S. as a single entity to pointing to specific branches of government as their true enemies."

So American intelligence agencies had knowledge nearly two months before the Oklahoma bombing that an Islamic terrorist campaign was about to begin against the United States. But they failed to tell that to the McVeigh and Terry Nichols defense teams, who were looking for any shred of evidence connecting Middle Eastern terrorists to the bombing.

On March 3, 1995, the threat to U.S. targets became even clearer. The task force built a stronger case that something big was in the offing by issuing an update of the Feb. 27 warning to intelligence agencies.

"It was based on very special material I received and verified after the first warning had already been issued,'' Bodansky wrote in 1996. "The key message of this 'update' was that there was greater likelihood that the terrorists would strike in the heartland. The language that should be of interest is that the terrorists were expected to 'strike at the heart of the U.S.' We also put 'government installations' on the list of possible objectives ahead of the communication and transportation objectives (as in the Feb. 27 warning)."

The Oklahoma bomb exploded 47 days after the task force issued its March 3 update. Bodansky later indicated that intelligence showed Oklahoma City had been at the top of the terrorists' list.

"I did get, and later confirmed by numerous sources, certain criteria on how to better identify possible terrorist targets," he wrote in 1996. "By the time I mastered this 'method,' it was too late for Oklahoma City. However, going over and reconstructing relevant data (some of which arrived only after the bombing but had originated prior to it), Oklahoma City was on the list of potential targets."

The American people have a right to see any warnings about terrorism issued in the months preceding Sept. 11 and the Oklahoma bombing. Isn't it time to release those documents now?

Well, some of the pompom shakers here refer to OKCSubmariner as a tinfoiler, too. That's allright. While Clinton was in office, these same people were frothing at the mouth over Clinton but once their own choice for president is elected and decides to give Clinton a free pass, then none of this is important.

Pat, keep it up. There are still plenty of us who are interested in this connection and don't care where it leads or what politicians are exposed.

By the way, I encourage everyone to go visit the IndyStar.com website as thanks for printing Mr. Patterson's articles.

Thanks for posting James Patterson's articles! He has done such a great job of keeping the subject alive.

Actually, I only saw this information a couple of months ago. A friend of ours who has been REALLY keeping up with 'breaking' developemnts concerning WTC sent us a tape done by Alex Jones called "911: The Road to Tyranny". The interview with the FBI agent is on that tape but I cannot remember the man's name. I have briefly searched Alex Jones' site but haven't found this man's name.

Thanks for the ping. I am still wondering what they are trying to cover up. Are they using this to take away some rights?

If Clinton covered this up, that means it continues continues under Bush, and our government is hijacked.

If....IF....IF. Of course they covered this up. You are being too kind to our government. Clinton/Bush/Ashcroft & Co. could not wait to get McVeigh dead. No muss no fuss! All over! McVeigh pulled this off all by his lonesome. Oh sure! That's what our lying federal government wanted us to believe, despite massive evidence to the contrary. And now, thousands of innocent American citizens have paid with their lives, for the incompetence, deception, and corruption of our government.

Though what can we do about something so huge. We're not even the United States any more if something like this is true.

Agree, it is probably reference to an account, a safety deposit box or a storage unit.

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