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Heavy Use Taxes Submarines, US Navy Commander Says
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Posted on 06/26/2002 6:16:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

Heavy Use Taxes Submarines, US Navy Commander Says

Copyright © 2002, Dow Jones Newswires

By Greg Jaffe NORFOLK, Va. -- The commander of the U.S. Navy's submarines recently warned his bosses that the fleet, which has played a critical role in gathering intelligence about the al Qaeda terrorist network, should slow its pace of operations.

The vessels' nuclear-reactor cores are burning up faster than planned due to added missions since Sept. 11, shortening the submarines' life spans, Vice Adm. John Grossenbacher told his superiors. "I've told them this next year we need to see a reduction in the tempo of operations," he said. "They are working on it."

The 380-foot-long submarines' missions, which include secretly delivering teams of Navy commandos to hot spots around the globe and intercepting telephone conversations, have risen more than 30% since the terrorist attacks, Navy officials said. To accomplish the missions, submarines are skipping port calls, traveling more quickly between hot spots and forgoing some maintenance and training missions.

The warning comes at a time when the Navy's top submarine officers are battling their own service and the defense secretary's office in seeking to add more attack submarines to the arsenal of 54. Navy plans call for the number to drop to about 51 during the next decade.

Submarines are extremely effective platforms for gathering intelligence, but at $2.2 billion for a new attack sub they are also very expensive. "The capabilities that the subs provide, such as gathering intelligence, are capabilities that are in much demand," a senior Navy official said. "The question is whether submarines are the most cost-efficient way to perform these tasks."

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hasn't included buying more attack subs on his list of military priorities.

Since Sept. 11, the service's attack subs have spent about 80% of their deployed time performing missions, most of which have been associated with gathering intelligence. "They are really going to destroy the force if they continue at this current pace," said Loren Thompson, chief operating officer of the Lexington Institute, a defense think tank in Arlington, Va. "Eventually you could have a serious accident."

Adm. Grossenbacher has told his senior leadership that during the next year, the Navy needs to reduce the percentage of time its subs spend on missions while deployed to about 72%. To put that into practice, the submarine force likely will have to begin turning down more assignments, which are given to it by the Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon. This wouldn't be the first time it refused assignments -- it did so during the Kosovo war in 1999. But with the push to gather intelligence that could head off another deadly terrorist attack, declining missions isn't done lightly.

Submarines are particularly adept at gathering intelligence because they "cannot be tracked like satellites and are more stealthy than unmanned aerial vehicles," said Michael Vickers of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. He said a combination of super-stealthy unmanned aerial vehicles or unmanned minisubmarines might provide a cost-effective substitute on some missions shouldered by the submarine force.

(END) DOW JONES NEWS 06-26-02

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1 posted on 06/26/2002 6:16:50 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver; Poohbah
We probably ought to start refueling and upgrading the Flight I 688s, that would be a start. Maybe ditch the Virginia-class for the cheaper Seawolf-class SSNs as well.

As for the Virginias, sell `em to Taiwan.
2 posted on 06/26/2002 6:22:52 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Sub-Driver
File this under, "What did He know and When did He know it".
3 posted on 06/26/2002 6:23:03 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Falcon4.0
How many SSNs were retired early under Clinton?
4 posted on 06/26/2002 6:25:32 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: Sub-Driver
I'm no sub guy but oviously with all the valves and pumps and motors and bearings and such that have to be in a sub, they have just got to require a lot of maintenance and probably preventive maintenace as well. The idea being don't wait until a valve fails and causes a big problem- if it's got 1,000 hours service on it (or whatever?) replace it before it fails. If our subs are skipping some of these type things it's only a matter of time before somebody is not where they're supposed to be on time, and that could be a really bad thing.
5 posted on 06/26/2002 6:27:56 AM PDT by DETAILER
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To: hchutch
How many SSNs were retired early under Clinton?

A lot were retired early, My last boat, the USS Shark SSN-591, was retired in 90, it had a design life of 20 years..and we kept her going for 31 years before she started getting ragged, so that goes to show you that a Sub can be kept going beyound the design life, no matter what the eggheads say!
6 posted on 06/26/2002 6:32:57 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun
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To: hchutch
If I'm not mistaken, one of the Lafayette class of SSBN's were converted to a platform for the SEALS before they went into decom. Converting one of the missle tubes for diving is a great idea. I don't know what the status of these old warriors are but seems to me to be the perfect solution.
7 posted on 06/26/2002 6:36:15 AM PDT by Honcho
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To: DETAILER
One underpaid, overworked and ill-serviced sub fleet is more than enough, there is no need for another one

Write to your Congressman.

8 posted on 06/26/2002 6:38:17 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DETAILER
good point DETAILER...we haven't lost a boat in a long time, and skipping preventive maintenance would be a poor reason for losing one!
9 posted on 06/26/2002 6:39:40 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun
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To: DTA
Didn't they finally conlude the Kursk was sunk by a torpedo
malfunction? Wonder if a sleepy crewman left a wrench inside
the torpedo.....
10 posted on 06/26/2002 6:45:18 AM PDT by DETAILER
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To: Sub-Driver
Got to remember a Sub is nothing more than one huge machine. Keep running that machine into the ground and it will poppen-cork and blowen-fuzen ! We do not need our silent fleet to look like the Russian's.
11 posted on 06/26/2002 6:56:22 AM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: Honcho; hchutch
The "41 for Freedom" SSBNs (Boomers) - all have been decommissioned and are for the most part, cut up and scrapped totally. 2 "boomers" are moored in Charleston, S.C. as part of Nuclear Power Training (Moored Training Ships - or "float-a-types", used for hands on training after most of the land-based prototypes were decommissioned.

Most of these boomers had 30 years of service .. .and were tired and ready for retirement.

Several of the boomers were converted to SSN/seal delivery teams - the last two - USS Polk and USS Kamahameha were just recently de-commissioned.

The only real solution to our immediate shortage of SSNs is to refuel the 688's that were planned for decommissioning rather than refueling!!

Four Trident SSBNs WILL be converted to SSGNs - and will be multi-mission - Seal teams, large cruise missile carrying platform, etc.

hchutch - The Seawolf class submarine is still likely to be 50% more expensive than the projected delivery cost of the Virginia class SSN. The Seawolf has some significant capabilities that are Nice to have .... but perhaps more spendy than we really need. We need to put more emphasis on procurement reform as part of the solution.

12 posted on 06/26/2002 7:48:30 AM PDT by Vineyard
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To: hchutch
Nah. The "Virginia" class is cheaper than the "Seawolf". That's why they are being built.
13 posted on 06/26/2002 8:16:10 AM PDT by dvwjr
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To: hchutch
Too many. And unfortunately Congress and the Senate will ignore this warning also and then blame Bush by asking why He didn't do anything about it.
14 posted on 06/26/2002 8:37:51 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: DTA
We cannot waste your tax dollars re-building the military defense of America.

Currently we need this money to encourage foreigners to visit America with the possibility that they might stay here seeking work in our many occupations. This must not be demeaned as reducing the safety of Americans.

Foreigners contribute much more than any possible expense to us taxpayers. They divide and enrich our country by expanding different cultures that our children must experience to become proper politically correct adults.

I am sorry that I cannot support your thoughts in strenghtening America unless such a recommendation comes directly from the United Nations.

Your wonderful Congressman, Rep. Screwem Again

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15 posted on 06/26/2002 8:45:52 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: Vineyard
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
16 posted on 06/26/2002 10:22:53 AM PDT by Honcho
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To: DETAILER
Fixing anything on a sub is also 10x more difficult and expensive than a comparable system on a surface ship. A failure that would be inconvenient on a cruiser would be catastrophic on a sub. It's necessary, but I'm damn glad that I don't do that sort of thing anymore.
17 posted on 06/26/2002 11:12:59 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Fixing anything on a sub is also 10x more difficult and expensive

eeeeeeekkkkk! - I just this weekend replaced a starter on an older model Toyota Camry. Thought it would be simple. Nope. Can't see anything when you get your hand in the only position to reach anything, then the bolts are so long they just barely, and I do mean just barely have clearance to come out. Cranking them 1/8 of a turn with an open end wrench. And that was just to get the old starter out.And the whole time laying on top of the engine.
I have no doubt maintenance and repair on a sub is murderous work. Probably had to take stuff the size of a car apart piece by piece to replace a fuse. No thanks.

18 posted on 06/26/2002 11:25:25 AM PDT by DETAILER
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To: DETAILER
I've been known to be a contortionist to get to some of the units of my Sonar systems when I was onboard boats *L*
19 posted on 06/26/2002 11:53:42 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun
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