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US Constitution declared Unconstitutional
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Posted on 06/26/2002 1:35:17 PM PDT by rth_sr

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals declares the US Constituion unconstitutional because it violated the basic Constitutional tenet of separation of church and state. Specifically, the Preamble, which most schoolchildren are required to memorize, contains the word "blessings." Blessing, of course, is the act or words of one that blesses. Bless is defined by Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary as 1 : to hallow or consecrate by religious rite or word 2 : to hallow with the sign of the cross 3 : to invoke divine care for.

The text of the Constitution, therefore, impermissibly takes a position with respect to the purely religious question of the existence and identity of God," the court's three judge panel wrote.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
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1 posted on 06/26/2002 1:35:17 PM PDT by rth_sr
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To: rth_sr
The sad thing is this: that really wouldn't surprise me a bit. I fear that the "sleeping giant" won't wake in time to prevent what's coming down the road... what's next, our currency? The witness oath? Chaplains in the military?

--patti
2 posted on 06/26/2002 1:38:23 PM PDT by cyphergirl
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To: rth_sr
I am pretty sure that this was referring to the Pledge of Alligance and not the U.S. Constitution. Either way, those judges need to be replaced.
3 posted on 06/26/2002 1:40:22 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
The Age of Clinton.
4 posted on 06/26/2002 1:41:35 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: rth_sr
I suppose the Court will also ban the Declaration of Independence and Gettysburg Address.
5 posted on 06/26/2002 1:42:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
My posting was intended as sarcasm. I realize today's ruling was about the Pledge. Just demonstrating "slippery slope."
6 posted on 06/26/2002 1:42:27 PM PDT by rth_sr
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I am pretty sure that this was referring to the Pledge of Alligance and not the U.S. Constitution. Either way, those judges need to be replaced.

I beleive that he was being a little bit sarcastic, though the possibilities aren't that far-fetched given what these liberal judges did today.

7 posted on 06/26/2002 1:42:55 PM PDT by meyer
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To: rth_sr
You should probably state that then. Your post has the potential to confuse a lot of people.
8 posted on 06/26/2002 1:43:19 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
I don't think the judges should get paid until they overturn this ruling. After all, "In God We Trust" violates their ruling.
9 posted on 06/26/2002 1:44:07 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: rth_sr
.............and Leahy sits on Bush's court appointments............
10 posted on 06/26/2002 1:46:03 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Then we should also be seriously questioning the fact that the Bush Administration has refused to investigate and prosecute the Clinton crimes. Their blatant refusal to bring the Clintons to justice shows their lack of respect for the rule of law in this country.

We have no right to sit here and complain about Clinton if we are satisfied to allow our leaders apathy in the area of treason and breached national security.

11 posted on 06/26/2002 1:46:16 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
The Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary Online has the following entry for "blessing"

1.a. the act or words of one who blesses b.:APPROVAL, ENCOURAGEMENT
2: a thing conducive to happiness or welfare
3: a grace said at a meal

The context of the word within the Constitution leans toward the second definition. Let's agree on the term before we start discussing it.

12 posted on 06/26/2002 1:47:02 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
"Your post has the potential to confuse a lot of people."

I think a lot of people are already confused. Primarily the people living in the People's Republik of Kalifornia and specifically the judges on the 9th circuit court of appeals.

Semper Fi!

13 posted on 06/26/2002 1:48:09 PM PDT by dd5339
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
Either way, the government should not be an adversary of religion.
14 posted on 06/26/2002 1:48:17 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
IT'S SARCASM!!
15 posted on 06/26/2002 1:49:59 PM PDT by rth_sr
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
You may be the only one who didn't understand what he meant.
16 posted on 06/26/2002 1:50:39 PM PDT by elephantlips
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To: cyphergirl
The witness oath?"

That already is there. You SWEAR or AFFIRM. You can affirm with the oath now. You don't have to swear to it.

17 posted on 06/26/2002 1:51:18 PM PDT by RetiredArmy
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To: rth_sr
Like I said before. You should have clarified that then when you posted this thread. You are going to have to get used to a lot of people coming to this thread and taking it seriously then.
18 posted on 06/26/2002 1:51:32 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
From our constitution (Article VII, Last paragraph)

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

What about this reference to Jesus?

19 posted on 06/26/2002 1:51:49 PM PDT by kazatzkeh
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Also, today gravity was repealed in Texas, North Dakota, Upper Michigan, West Virginia and the southern half of Guam.
20 posted on 06/26/2002 1:54:22 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: ofMagog
Seriously?
21 posted on 06/26/2002 1:55:02 PM PDT by rth_sr
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To: rth_sr
Well, not all of the southern half of Guam. Some there refused to accept it, but troops are being sent.
22 posted on 06/26/2002 1:56:51 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: ofMagog
Maybe I could lose a few pounds by moving to Texas. Doesn't seem like anything else is going to work.
23 posted on 06/26/2002 1:57:04 PM PDT by mushroom
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To: rth_sr
Not to mention that Article VII of the Constitution states that ratification was "done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year OF OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven . . . ". Is that unconstitutional too? They'll probably use that to say the whole thing was never properly ratified! And I can only wonder what that G. Washington fellah said after he signed it! Let's hope he didn't mention God again or we're really done for!
24 posted on 06/26/2002 1:57:13 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: ofMagog
Perhaps you should be more specific. Some residents of the Southern half may have gotten confused and started floating after reading your post.
25 posted on 06/26/2002 1:58:13 PM PDT by rth_sr
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To: rth_sr
My that's an interesting concept. Where did you get such an idea!?

PS Please look below at my post....;-)

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9TH CIRCUIT COURT: PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted by AmericanInTokyo to Spiff On News/Activism Jun 26 3:45 PM #515 of 873

Future headline: "Ninth Circuit Court Declares United States Consitution Unconstitutional"

26 posted on 06/26/2002 1:59:23 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: rth_sr
It's too sad to cogitate.
Guamanians float so easily, too, being skinny and all.
27 posted on 06/26/2002 1:59:39 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: kazatzkeh
Kaz, apologies for repeating your info . . . I was goofing around trying to remember how to close italics (never could remember) and by the time I posted, yours was up.
28 posted on 06/26/2002 2:00:52 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: rth_sr
I just hope the naugas on Guam don't float off, too. That's one of the last remaining big herds the furniture makers haven't killed for their hides.
29 posted on 06/26/2002 2:03:44 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
I agree. This is one of the problems that occurs when all education is under direct state control. I would much rather dismantle the Department of Education than put the Pledge of Allegiance back in the public school system. That way, the Pledge of Allegiance can be said by whoever wants to say it at the beginning of school.
30 posted on 06/26/2002 2:04:10 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: rth_sr
I know. But your analogy was off.
31 posted on 06/26/2002 2:04:59 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: rth_sr
Did the order also include an injunction compelling God to immediately withdraw his hand of protection over the U.S.A., which protection had been improperly asked for by the signers of the Declaration of Independence when they executed that document "with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence"?
32 posted on 06/26/2002 2:09:23 PM PDT by LikeLight
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
Actually, I would be more of a proponent of just totally dismantling the public school system in this country, period.

Most local governments in America are separate from the actual school district. The way the Illinois public system is set up is just pretty crappy. All of the funding for school districts comes from property taxes, which allows for huge inequalities in education. One school district might be able to afford $16,000 per student, while another can only spend $2,000 per student. Kids should be able to have the best educational opportunities available to them and the public school system just isn't it for most kids.

33 posted on 06/26/2002 2:09:53 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
This just in......the 9th Circuit has cancelled the 4th of July. There goes the 4 day weekend.
34 posted on 06/26/2002 2:12:39 PM PDT by 101viking
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
That's why I did not even bother to reply.
35 posted on 06/26/2002 2:13:20 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: ofMagog
But one ol' boy had a 'word for Texas'
36 posted on 06/26/2002 2:13:35 PM PDT by deport
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To: FreedominJesusChrist; rth_sr
You should probably state that then. Your post has the potential to confuse a lot of people.

If only because now it's an entirely realistic scenario.

37 posted on 06/26/2002 2:13:47 PM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: cyphergirl
Actually I've always thought that the witness oath was quite unfair to monotheists, since atheists would have no qualms about saying "so help me God" and lying.
38 posted on 06/26/2002 2:15:41 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: ofMagog
It is a lot more possible for a wacky federal court to declare the text of the U.S. Constitution to be un-Constitutional, than for the laws of gravity to be repealed. Yes? You insinuate that it is just as possible for the earth to stop spinning on its axis? That is a weak analogy, in my humble opinion. And I am not talking about centrifical force.
39 posted on 06/26/2002 2:20:52 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Amazing.

I would like to see schools under local government control (i.e. cities) if there's a public school system at all. I'm really impressed with what I've seen from homeschoolers, though, and believe strongly that it should be given as much room to grow as possible.

40 posted on 06/26/2002 2:21:40 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: 101viking
They can't do that! It's my wife's birthday! I done bought a ton of firecrackers for the crew to show the locals how to celebrate here in New Zealand.

Next, they'll do away with Murphy's Laws!

41 posted on 06/26/2002 2:22:32 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli
My little sister is homeschooled, but that is because she is so advanced that a public school system would slow her down. She has been homeschooled for about 6 years now, but is going to a private Christian school next year because she needs to make more friends (become more socially active) and this school can advance her at a good rate. She is going to be in 7th grade next year, but because this junior high is also connected to the high school, they can put her in sophomore geometry. I am quite proud of her actually, soon she will be better at math than I am.
42 posted on 06/26/2002 2:25:23 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
There you go, you have given the commies another idea!
43 posted on 06/26/2002 2:26:00 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: rth_sr
Do you think you could smuggle in a copy of 'God Bless America' for me? :)
44 posted on 06/26/2002 2:27:12 PM PDT by bjs1779
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To: rth_sr
My posting was intended as sarcasm. I realize today's ruling was about the Pledge. Just demonstrating "slippery slope."

Yeah, I think we got that. At least some of us. The fact that some didn't is testament to the incredible destructivenes of liberalism in general and Clintonism in particular, with the sober realization that all that PC-apparatus Bill and Hill installed during their right year reign of terror is just sitting around waiting to be picked up.

And all that can easily happen while George W. Bush is busy trying to out-compassion the democrats. Nero fiddled, you know. . .

45 posted on 06/26/2002 2:27:20 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
Your wisdom is appreciated.
46 posted on 06/26/2002 2:28:31 PM PDT by ofMagog
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To: FreedominJesusChrist
How I wish more of the so called conservatives on this site wold feel the same way. Whenever I bring the subject up I am told that I don't understand politics or that Bush is only doing this to confuse the dems or that he made a deal not to embarass the dems. In any case, I wish he would persue prosecution of the Clintons.
47 posted on 06/26/2002 2:29:53 PM PDT by gunshy
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To: ofMagog
No problem, I may hate science class, but I remember what I learned. By the way, centrifical force does defy the laws of gravity in many ways, but never mind about that.
48 posted on 06/26/2002 2:32:08 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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To: rth_sr
Some people couldn't spot sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum if their life depended on it.

However, it can be very effective with the majority who can, and the ones who can't often make interesting responses.

So, keep it up.

49 posted on 06/26/2002 2:34:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: gunshy
"How I wish more of the so called conservatives on this site wold feel the same way. Whenever I bring the subject up I am told that I don't understand politics or that Bush is only doing this to confuse the dems or that he made a deal not to embarass the dems."

Manipulating terms is usually a sign that one is trying to avoid moral responsibility, which is exactly what the Bush Administration has been doing in regards to the Clinton crimes.

Don't worry about what they tell you, some day, through citizen initiated action, the Clintons will be brought to justice.

50 posted on 06/26/2002 2:35:05 PM PDT by FreedominJesusChrist
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