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(VANITY) Anyone Else Tired of the Talk About the "Constitution's Separation of Church and State?"
CNN/Various | 6/28/02 | me (vanity)

Posted on 06/28/2002 5:46:46 AM PDT by agenda_express

I know that this has come up in various forums before, but since the 9th Circuit's decision on the 26th, much of the liberal media's discussion has centered around the supposed "separation of church and state" clause in the Constitution

I am sick and tired of all of the leftist commentary recently regarding this supposed "separation of church and state." There is NO SUCH comment in the Constitution!!! When are they going to get that through their thick skulls? Since when is outside commentary by someone who did NOT help frame the Constitution allowed to be constued as being relevant to the Constitution itself??? Not only that, but it has been used to define the meaning of the amendment itself!

Jefferson's comments are TOTALLY taken out of context. This is ridiculous. I wish the government indoctrination center's would stop teaching revisionist history, and start teaching the truth.

Even worse is a CNN Poll today:

"Do you agree with the U.S. Constitution's separation of church and state?"

What a load of crap! There is no way to correctly answer that...


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I'm sorry for the rant. I just can't stand it. The lies and mental manipulation are just more than I can handle right now. Please forgive me...

(stands to take the impending beating like a man)

1 posted on 06/28/2002 5:46:47 AM PDT by agenda_express
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To: agenda_express
Sure there is. I had it put in about the time i invented the internet.


2 posted on 06/28/2002 5:55:09 AM PDT by Bad~Rodeo
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To: agenda_express
Link to Jefferson's letter:

Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut were persecuted because they were not part of the Congregationalist establishment in that state.
On January 1, 1802, in response to the letter from the Danbury Baptist Association, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
Gentlemen:

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which are so good to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist Association, give me the highest satisfaction. My duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should `make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore man to all of his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessings of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

Thomas Jefferson

3 posted on 06/28/2002 5:59:38 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: agenda_express
There is no such thing as separation of church and state. It is made up by idiots and could be the downfall of this nation.
4 posted on 06/28/2002 5:59:41 AM PDT by mrfixit514
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To: agenda_express
I forgot to add the link:

Thomas Jefferson on Separation of Church and State

5 posted on 06/28/2002 6:00:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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The Constitution gives the Supreme Court the job of interpreting the Constitution. Well, even if you disagree with that, the other branches of the government don't seem to disagree with that -- even if you insist it is up to the Congress or somebody else to interpret the Constitution.

So by whatever means it has come about, the SCOTUS determines what the Constitution means -- by the agreement of all branches of government. Therefore their interpretations are also Constitutional.

They've mapped out a seperation between church and state. Therefore that is the law of the land. Get used to it.

6 posted on 06/28/2002 6:01:14 AM PDT by jlogajan
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The CNN poll is a good example of their bias. Anyone answering either "Yes" or "No" is admitting that they are totally ignorant with what the Constitution even says!

I don't know if this is a cleaver trick by CNN, or total stupidity on their part.

7 posted on 06/28/2002 6:01:34 AM PDT by TommyDale
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I am sick and tired of all of the leftist commentary recently regarding this supposed "separation of church and state." There is NO SUCH comment in the Constitution!!!

My 14 yr old son has been exposed to a lot of talk radio while going to and from baseball and basketball games. Then last night, while flipping through the TV channels, after hearing some bimbette spew her revisionist garbage, I explained to him the lack of "separation of church and state" vs the existance and meaning of "Congress shall make no law". He understood the difference. Then he said: "Dad, you should be a politician." I think he meant it as a compliment, which means I still have some more work to do with him :-)

8 posted on 06/28/2002 6:02:31 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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Oops. I meant CLEVER, not cleaver.
9 posted on 06/28/2002 6:03:09 AM PDT by TommyDale
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I am with you 100%! For lawers to repeat this especially irks. They have no reading comprehension... or is it part of their political agenda?
10 posted on 06/28/2002 6:04:24 AM PDT by cibco
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Yes, I'm tired of the media's willful ignorance too.

Link to a good overview of the history of the phrase, "separation of church and state" (and of course you're right, it does NOT appear in the U.S. Constitution -- but it DOES appear in the SOVIET constitution):

The Truth About the "Separation of Church and State"

11 posted on 06/28/2002 6:07:28 AM PDT by gumbo
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I don't see this particular issue-- "Constitutional" separation of church and state-- as "lies and mental manipulation," I see it as pure ignorance on the part of CNN and the majority of the populations of the US-- and that included me until about 3 years ago.
12 posted on 06/28/2002 6:15:43 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: agenda_express
Lib Plan - Say a lie enough and people will start to believe it.
13 posted on 06/28/2002 6:16:19 AM PDT by Lockbox
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I'm sorry for the rant. I just can't stand it. The lies and mental manipulation are just more than I can handle right now. Please forgive me...

No need to be sorry, there are many of us out here that understand, and appreciate, your frustrations with this matter. Hang in there as you are doing good works by raising awareness to this increasingly dangerous problem.

14 posted on 06/28/2002 6:18:03 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: cibco
1. It is freedom OF religion not FROM religion.

2. Keep in mind the American Bar Association is a voluntary association with no regulatory power.
(This is why W was able to disregard their judicial evaluations as meaningless.)
15 posted on 06/28/2002 6:18:39 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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I completely agree with you!

How the SCOTUS could interpret:

Article the third [Amendment I]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

To mean that the govt. should harbor blatant hostility towards religion is simply laughable. And the infection of liberals and democrats continues to fester…

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

16 posted on 06/28/2002 6:21:10 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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Dad, you should be a politician." I think he meant it as a compliment, which means I still have some more work to do with him :-)

LOL!

17 posted on 06/28/2002 6:25:55 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: agenda_express
Tell a lie long enough and ...... Well we all know.
18 posted on 06/28/2002 6:27:31 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: agenda_express
Goes to show how much damage an activist judge can do.
19 posted on 06/28/2002 6:32:28 AM PDT by hope
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You won't find separation of powers or federalism in the text of the Constitution either, but that doesn't mean neither is part of our Constitutional system. By analogy, if you try to find trinity in the Bible, you will fail, but that doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental essential of Christianity.
20 posted on 06/28/2002 6:33:06 AM PDT by mdwakeup
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