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BIO-HUNT HEATS UP
New York Post | TODD VENEZIA

Posted on 06/28/2002 8:18:59 AM PDT by freeperfromnj

BUG BUSTERS: FBI agents sift through a storage trailer in Ocala, Fla., in search of clues to the deadly anthrax mailings. The site belongs to a bioresearcher who's a "person of interest" in the probe.

FBI agents hunting for last year's anthrax-sending psycho searched a Florida storage trailer belonging to a bioresearch scientist who three years ago commissioned a study into ways the deadly bacteria can be delivered by mail.

Federal sources said the scientist, Dr. Steven Hatfill of Hagerstown, Md., is a "person of interest" in their probe into the deadly wave of mailings that killed five people last fall.

They caution, however, that Hatfill is one of about 30 individuals the bureau is closely scrutinizing because of their specialized knowledge and because they may have had access to the deadly biological toxin.

On Wednesday, agents searched a storage facility in Ocala used by Hatfill to store personal belongings after his parents sold a nearby farm.

Ocala is about 230 miles northwest of Boca Raton, where Robert Stevens, the photo editor of a tabloid newspaper, was killed by a letter containing anthrax.

In another coincidence, Hatfill once asked a bioterrorism expert to do a study into how anthrax could be spread by mail while he worked as a researcher for defense contractor Science Applications International.

A report in The Sun of Baltimore said the study revealed how 21/2 grams of bacillus globigii, a simulated form of anthrax, could be mailed in a standard business envelope.

Ben Hadad, a spokesman for the San Diego-based company that Hatfill worked for, said the researcher and another employee commissioned the report in February 1999 as part of the company's official business. Hadad said there was nothing unusual about the commission, but would not release the report.

Hatfill is one of about 200 people the FBI has investigated in the wake of last year's mailing. Investigators still have no firm suspect.

Yet another coincidence, however, has led them to probe Hatfill, who has voluntarily allowed his Maryland apartment and Florida trailer to be searched.

The coincidence relates to his medical alma mater, the University of Zimbabwe Medical School.

The school is located in the Greendale neighborhood of Zimbabwe's capital, Harare.

The anthrax letters sent to Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy bore the false return address "Greendale School" Franklin Park, N.J.

Hatfill could not be reached for comment yesterday, but has protested his innocence in the past.

"I've been in this field for a number of years, working until 3 o'clock in the morning, trying to counter this type of weapon of mass destruction, and, sir, my career is over at this time," Hatfill said. .


TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist

1 posted on 06/28/2002 8:18:59 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
Remember the name of this bioresearch scientist.

Would anyone be surprised if he 'became dead' in a few weeks?
2 posted on 06/28/2002 8:23:14 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: freeperfromnj; *Anthrax_Scare_List; Mitchell; Nogbad; eno_; The Great Satan; gumbo; bvw; ...
Federal sources said the scientist, Dr. Steven Hatfill of Hagerstown, Md., is a "person of interest" in their probe into the deadly wave of mailings that killed five people last fall.

I thought he lived in that apartment in Frederick, next to the entrance to Ft. Detrick, that the FBI searched the other night.

3 posted on 06/28/2002 8:25:29 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: 11B3; abwehr; Alamo-Girl; angkor; aristeides; Betty Jo; Black Jade; bluefish; boston_liberty; ...
ping
4 posted on 06/28/2002 8:34:48 AM PDT by Nogbad
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To: aristeides
It seems he also has a storage trailer at a facility in Florida, the state where it all started. Sounds like he could be their man. Doesn't fit their RW loner theory though. Perhaps a sympathizer to the cause who was probably paid for his services.

5 posted on 06/28/2002 8:37:46 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
NOBODY remembers this guy's name. Why? Because he's not the "correct" ethnicity.

Keep every story element the same (the apartment search, the storage facility in Florida search, that both were with the permission of the "person of interest," guy worked with Anthrax) but give this guy a Great-grandfather that was 1/4th Arab, and this thread would have about 150 posts by now.

6 posted on 06/28/2002 8:40:11 AM PDT by John H K
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To: freeperfromnj
According to this 1998 article in French, Hatfill was cooking up plague bacilli in his kitchen back then.
7 posted on 06/28/2002 8:41:01 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: John H K
FWIW, I believe you're correct.
8 posted on 06/28/2002 8:50:16 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: aristeides
...his medical alma mater, the University of Zimbabwe Medical School.

The coincidences around this guy certainly are suspicious. However, that he lives in Hagerstown, MD is utterly irrelevant.

I want to know about HIM. For instance, tell me why he got his degree in Zimbabwe, and what he did while he was there.

I have another obvious question the media is hesitant to ask: Is he Muslim?

9 posted on 06/28/2002 8:56:43 AM PDT by EternalHope
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To: aristeides
I also noticed this discrepancy. The apartment house in Frederick, MD, is 40 miles from Hagerstown. See this Yahoo map.
10 posted on 06/28/2002 9:05:18 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: EternalHope
He is probably not Muslim, he probably attended U of Zimbabwe Medical School because he couldn't get into a U.S. school and he lives in Frederick, not Hagerstown, Maryland.
11 posted on 06/28/2002 9:06:23 AM PDT by Ordinary_American
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To: Mitchell; aristeides
Sorry, that's 25.2 miles, a 40-minute drive.
12 posted on 06/28/2002 9:06:56 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: EternalHope
I want to know about HIM

Check some of what he had to say back in 1997. I don't remember seeing this ever posted but his own words are quite telling. It is rather long but contains a wealth of information about HIM and what he had to say 5 years ago about bio attacks.

The Washington Times August 11, 1997, Monday, Final Edition

"Biological terrorism is a real threat" By Fred Reed

The terrorism racket grows more interesting. What with trials of terrorists in New York for the bombing of the World Trade Center, and now the fellows who were going to blow up Manhattan's subways, things don't look as safe as they might.

A sort of terrorism that hasn't gotten a lot of attention, but may yet, is bio-terrorism. Remember the petri dishes of raspberry Jell-O or whatever that were left outside B'nai B'rith and tied up Washington for most of a day? And that wasn't even real. A fellow I know is Steve Hatfill, a medical doctor with years of experience in the Third World, and therefore with the diseases to be found there. What would happen, he wonders, if terrorists, with or without the support of governments like Iraq's, tried to use diseases as biological weapons against America? How would they do it? Is it really possible? Dr. Hatfill has thought carefully about bio- terrorism. He made some intriguing points. To wit: There exist at least four reasonably distinct levels of possible biological attack. The first is the B'nai B'rith variety, in which no real organisms are used. ("Hello. This is Abdul. We have put anthrax in the food at Throckmorton Middle School." In fact, Abdul hasn't.) We empty public buildings for bomb threats. How about for anthrax threats? After all, sooner or later one might be real.

The second level consists in the release of real bacteria or viruses, but without the intention of infecting many people. For example, a bad guy might spray plague bacteria around the men's room in the World Trade Center. Probably only a few people would get it, and perhaps none would die - but it would take only one plague case to shut down the entire building, especially if the bug had been sprayed on several floors. Then the call comes: "Let our man loose, or we'll do a school."

The third level consists in trying to get a lot of people sick, and maybe dead, but not necessarily to start a self- sustaining epidemic. Anthrax spores put into the ventilation system of a movie theater would do the trick. The result would be horrendous panic even if only 100 people got sick or died. After all, if it worked in a theater, what public place would be safe? The fourth level consists of a self-sustaining, unstoppable epidemic sweeping the nation. While that idea makes good copy, it isn't likely.

Most serious diseases are containable or self-limiting. Some have to be transmitted by contact, which can be prevented. Others are spread by coughing, but most don't last long outside the body, and so on. The important point is that you don't need a raging epidemic to paralyze a city. Remember B'nai B'rith. Dr. Hatfill points out that the comparatively high quality of American medical facilities doesn't necessarily provide protection against even a smallish outbreak of nasty diseases.

The first patients would get excellent care in the small number of places that are set up to handle such diseases. The ensuing wave of very sick people would swamp the system. They would not get good care. How hard, really, would it be to carry out a bio-attack? Not very, Dr. Hatfill says. Culturing bacteria is easy and almost universally understood. Getting the culture past customs would be no problem. You could almost certainly just carry it in a small bottle in your pocket. Dr. Hatfill, who is familiar with such things, showed me how to culture bacteria with supplies that can be bought at Safeway.

A bright high-school student could manage it. For that matter, nasty bugs indeed can be found wild within the United States in certain animal populations that don't transmit them to humanity. Since this isn't a school for terrorists, I'll let it go at that. And, Dr. Hatfill says, spending on public health has been diverted from prevention and control of epidemics to such things as discovering why certain groups commit suicide more often than others. Rates of vaccination are down, he says. Some extraordinarily unpleasant bugs are out there. Some are old ones traveling by the most dangerous disease vector known - a Boeing 747. People here do not have the natural resistance to these diseases that people who live in their regions of origin have. Others are emerging diseases about which little is known. The United States is, he believes, becoming more, not less, vulnerable to such pathogens. Few police, in fact few people of any kind, are prepared to deal with bio-terrorism. Something to think about, no?

13 posted on 06/28/2002 9:12:14 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: John H K
NOBODY remembers this guy's name. Why? Because he's not the "correct" ethnicity.
Keep every story element the same (the apartment search, the storage facility in Florida search, that both were with the permission of the "person of interest," guy worked with Anthrax) but give this guy a Great-grandfather that was 1/4th Arab, and this thread would have about 150 posts by now.

Your earlier thread on this topic has 139 posts. How many do you want? There are quite a few articles on this, and the posts are split among them. Plus, the story is petering out (at least for now).

By the way, notice that the coincidences here (which are worthy of investigating) are weaker than the coincidences connecting Mohamed Atta and the 9/11 terrorists to anthrax -- certainly no stronger.

14 posted on 06/28/2002 9:16:56 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: John H K
give this guy a Great-grandfather that was 1/4th Arab, and this thread would have about 150 posts by now.

As we've seen in the past couple of months, one doesn't have to be Arab/muslim to be part of their Jihad. Given that he spent much of his career in third world countries it is not unreasonable to conclude that he could be a well-paid sympathizer to the Islamic cause. He may very well have had ties with Atta and company in Florida. I suspect we'll soon find out.

15 posted on 06/28/2002 9:36:30 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Nogbad
Thanks for the heads up!
16 posted on 06/28/2002 9:40:32 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nogbad
thanks for the ping
17 posted on 06/28/2002 9:56:56 AM PDT by knak
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To: freeperfromnj
The coincidence relates to his medical alma mater, the University of Zimbabwe Medical School. The school is located in the Greendale neighborhood of Zimbabwe's capital, Harare. The anthrax letters sent to Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy bore the false return address "Greendale School" Franklin Park, N.J.

The story gets better with each re-telling. Actually, the Medical School is not in Greendale. There is a Greendale School in Harare (a city of 600,000 people, capital of the former Rhodesia). The University of Zimbabwe is headquartered in Mount Pleasant, and the Medical School is in Avedale. If you do a Google search on "Greendale School" and the name of any large city, you'll find that almost every city has one, so this "coincidence" may not amount to very much.

Steven Hatfill (pictured above) is the researcher that left-wing activist Barbara Rosenberg has been trying to pin the anthrax mailings on for the last six months. She believes he is associated with an alleged use of anthrax by the Rhodesian military during the civil war of the 1970s, back when he was a med student in Harare (Hatfill is American-born). She argues that the FBI has known this is the perp in the five anthrax murders for six months, but have conspired with the Military-Industrial Complex to leave him unapprehended because he knows embarassing details about the US biowar program, a program that Rosenberg has steadfastly agitated against for much of her career.

More background: Barbara Rosenberg is a professor of Environmental Studies at a Northeastern "visual arts-oriented" community college by day, and a self-appointed arms control "expert" by night. She is quite influential in the leftist, arms control-oriented scientific community. The FBI caved to doing a search of Hatfill's place after Rosenberg fingered him in person in a meeting with senators Daschle and Leahy last week, as reported in the Hartford Courant, a paper which has been stalwart in pushing Rosenberg's anthrax theories.

Now, with Hatfill's name in the national media, I imagine we will see a speedy resolution to the long-running Rosenberg saga. Is Hatfill "one of the good guys," as he maintains, or will Rosenberg send him to the Florida death house? Fasten your safety belts, anthrax fans, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

18 posted on 06/28/2002 10:29:40 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: Alamo-Girl; Mitchell; Nogbad
Ping for my Executive Summary of the Hatfill-versus-Rosenberg Grudge Match.
19 posted on 06/28/2002 10:30:52 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan; Nita Nupress
Nice summary, TSG. I'm of the opinion that Hatfill is a good guy and the bad guys are still out there.

But this does make a good "show of force" for the media to lap up.
20 posted on 06/28/2002 10:34:13 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: The Great Satan
Do you know if Rosenberg's shot her wad on Hatfill, or does she have a number two and three?
21 posted on 06/28/2002 10:38:35 AM PDT by keri
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To: The Great Satan
"Hello. This is Abdul. We have put anthrax in the food at Throckmorton Middle School."

His words were spoken in a manner similar to the language style used in the Trenton anthrax letters.

“We have put anthrax in the food” -- “We have this anthrax”.

“Hello. This is Abdul” -- “Allah is great.” -- hinting to at an Islamic connection to the attack

Also interesting is his use of the Throckmorton Middle School in his example and the way the author of the letters uses a school as a return address. Another point of interest is his description of the four different levels of attack.

22 posted on 06/28/2002 11:03:45 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: The Great Satan
Thanks for the heads up to your summary! If he were the guy, I imagine he would have been arrested long ago. This particular biotech 'club' is quite small. As for me, I continue to suspect Iraq/al Queda.
23 posted on 06/28/2002 11:13:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: keri
Do you know if Rosenberg's shot her wad on Hatfill, or does she have a number two and three?

There are perhaps 20-30 biowar scientists in the defense community who have access to this stuff. What is the chance of even one of these scientists being a homicidal (and suicidal!) maniac who just happened to be cranking up a private anthrax terror campaign at the very time the United States suffered it's greatest ever suprise attack? Of course, for Rosenberg, the mere fact of being associated with the US military-industrial complex and holding conservative views makes you a likely terrorist.

24 posted on 06/28/2002 11:13:46 AM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
Ping for my Executive Summary of the Hatfill-versus-Rosenberg Grudge Match.

Thanks for the ping.

As I brought out on another thread (post #91), Rosenberg has apparently been fishing for somebody to hang this on within the defense establishment.

Rosenberg claimed early on to know who did it (or have strong evidence as to who did it), but this seems not to be true. Her earliest reports do not seem to point to Hatfill at all, but to one or possibly two other scientists.

My guess is that she decided that it had to be somebody in the U.S. biodefense community committing an act of domestic terrorism in order to draw attention to the threat of bioattack. (Why does she believe this scenario? Because she finds the motivation credible personally.) She then started dropping hints as to potential candidates, waiting to see which accusations stuck. Her idea may have been that, stipulating her basic scenario, this method of releasing public clues would reveal the identity of the perpetrator; I think that she did not know a name at the beginning of this.

I also still do not believe that there is any evidence for Rosenberg's scenario. If an insider is involved, it is as a mole acting in conjunction with (or as a seller to) the 9/11 terrorists.

The coincidences connecting Hatfill to the anthrax mailings appear to be pretty flimsy -- much flimsier than the anthrax connections of the 9/11 terrorists. And he consented to the FBI search himself.

Note that for any kind of military attack on our country, you could almost certainly find, after the fact, somebody in the defense establishment who has studied that kind of attack. So the fact that somebody can be found who has studied anthrax mail attacks is no surprise, and is probably of no significance. (Every time the stock market goes up or down, you can find somebody who has predicted that move -- by random chance, just because so many predictions are made. That person then becomes a media star for a while, until it becomes clear that the original appearance of success was a statistical anomaly. It's probably the same story here.)

25 posted on 06/28/2002 11:47:56 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: keri
Do you know if Rosenberg's shot her wad on Hatfill, or does she have a number two and three?

Hatfill already is number two or three. I gave more details on this in another post.

26 posted on 06/28/2002 11:51:18 AM PDT by Mitchell
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To: freeperfromnj
Thanks for the info. After reading your post and the excellent info available on this elsewhere on FR, it looks less likely that this guy is a bad guy. He has an interesting background (and/or an exagerated resume), but that is to be expected from someone in his line of work.

One possibility is simply that the FBI has trampled on his reputation as a way to get Daschle and Barbara Rosenberg off the FBI's back.

After looking over the currently available info, I still believe the FBI knows the source full well: Iraq. Since admitting this would mean immediate war, they are waiting for the right time to come clean.

27 posted on 06/28/2002 11:53:36 AM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
You seriously misjudge the FBI.
28 posted on 06/28/2002 4:54:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: keri
"Do you know if Rosenberg's shot her wad on Hatfill, or does she have a number two and three?"

Hatfill is number three!

Recall that she began with the disaffected scientist who worked at Battelle Institute and was eventually tracked down in Milwaukee.

She followed that up with the jealous Egyptian working at Fort Detrick, who got passed by for promotion.

Thus, Mr. Hatfill was "number three" -- on her list, anyway.

The testimony of Barbara Hatch Rosenberg has thus been utterly discredited. But I don't think the press, or Tom Daschle, realizes this yet...

29 posted on 06/28/2002 6:14:05 PM PDT by okie01
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