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"YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY."

"KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON."

"IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN!"

"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

"DON'T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU." "YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY."

1 posted on 06/28/2002 9:13:48 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Well written. u.
2 posted on 06/28/2002 9:26:30 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Liberty Belle
Ping
3 posted on 06/28/2002 9:27:12 AM PDT by RichardsSweetRose
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Rule #5 can be especially tough to live up to- but it is mandatory. If you are the kind of person who just HAS to "get even" with everyone who cuts you off in traffic, etc, then you should think long and hard about carrying.

Even though you didn't initiate the confrontation, if you can't back off and let it go, and wind up using that gun, a jury will crucify you- even if I'm on that jury! (Maybe ESPECIALLY if I'm on the jury...)

Fortunately, judging by the behavior of folks in Alaska who have a CCW, this is not a big problem- the kind of people who are willing to attend the training and jump through the hoops to get a CCW seem to take the responsibility seriously.

4 posted on 06/28/2002 9:31:16 AM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
A RKBA BTT.

A. The ABILITY to inflict serious bodily injury. He is armed or reasonably appears to be armed.

Or not. We just buried a LEO yesterday who was trying to deal with a naked, paranoid crack addict. The latter got hold of the former's service piece and put 11 bullets into his head.

It differs from state to state, and I'd strongly advise those who carry concealed to be intimately familiar with their state's (and city's, if pertinent) laws concerning deadly force, and current on changes made to those laws. In my state (Washington) you are justified in using deadly force to prevent death or "grave physical injury" to yourself or to another. In Texas you may do so under some circumstances involving protection of property. The penalty for not knowing this is potentially a life term in prison.

5 posted on 06/28/2002 9:37:41 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
"For a male vs. male encounter the defendant probably would not be justified unless possibly if he was physically handicapped..."

I wondered about this.
Being "normal" sized (5'9", 185), how large does another man have to be before I can defend myself w/ my handgun? 6'2", 225; 6'5", 250; etc. Kind of a blurry line.
Carrying has made me a whole lot mellower, though, - I avoid confrontation like the plague.

6 posted on 06/28/2002 9:39:31 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Excellent information
11 posted on 06/28/2002 9:45:20 AM PDT by paul51
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Add this one:

Nothing smaller than .380

Sure, James Bond carried that .32 Walther PP - but he only faced enemies using blanks! So avoid all those new tiny .32 semis.

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14 posted on 06/28/2002 9:58:35 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: CHICAGOFARMER; newgeezer
This is one 'conservative issue I could care less about.
18 posted on 06/28/2002 10:04:50 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
ping.
26 posted on 06/28/2002 10:20:09 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

I guess this doesn't apply to all.

I read last night in my new America's 1st freedom, about an incident with then Maryland Governor Donald Schafer.

To quopte the article:On March 15, 1993 he called a press conference hyping his proposal to ban 15 semi-automatic pistols.

After a reporter smiled at one of the governor's foreboding comments, Schaefer pointed a 9 mm pistol at the reporter and declared: "Some of you have never had it in your face. I bet you wouldn't be laughing. I bet you wouldn't be smiling. I don't know what would happen to your pants, but I can imagine."

Police routinely arrest people who point guns (even unloaded guns) at other people on charges of criminal assault. If a private citizen had pointed an unloaded gun at the governor, the penalty likely would have been instant death from the governor's numerous armed bodyguards. But Schaefer's press secretary later explained: "Because he did not mean it in a threatening way, I don't see that it was a problem, from his perspective.

Seems like there is a dual standard.

29 posted on 06/28/2002 10:30:34 AM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: CHICAGOFARMER; Travis McGee; pocat; AAABEST; TEXASPROUD; harpseal
Very good, CF ! Albeit I always called it opportunity, capability and intent.....which BTW , all three must be present before deadly force can be considered....ALL 3 nothing less.......

Never shoot to kill , shoot to live..........:o)

Stay Safe !

39 posted on 06/28/2002 11:22:35 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

Don't quite agree with this one. In Arizona and several states we can carry concealed or openly. For example I see bikers all the time driving down the road with a handgun on their hip. Maybe you mean brandish rather than display?

40 posted on 06/28/2002 11:25:33 AM PDT by lideric
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
For a male vs. male encounter the defendant probably would not be justified unless possibly if he was physically handicapped, elderly, etc. This is known as disparity of force.

This may be the law in some places, but it is BS. Most men are fully capable of killing each other unarmed, and some are no doubt sitting in prison and cemetaries because they found that out the hard way.

People who think this way have seen too many movies.

42 posted on 06/28/2002 11:41:22 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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Bump to the BANG LIST
51 posted on 06/28/2002 12:40:30 PM PDT by xsrdx
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Depending on his or her feelings about firearms, this person might maliciously embellish their story in an attempt to have your gun seized by police or in order to get you arrested.

Something similar happened to an acquaintance of my family. He was involved in a minor fender bender with someone angry and not very tightly wrapped. The acquaintance had a concealed hangun on him at the time and at some point in the incident the other person noticed the firearm (I think with all the confusion and fuss, the man's shirt rode up for a moment over the revolver grip protruding from the IWB holster).

So the angry motorist decided to tell the cops he was "threatened with a gun" by this guy. It was ugly for awhile, but fortunately it eventually got smoothed over (after a period of some uncertain weeks). Fortunately, there are usually witnesses to fender benders. If this had occurred in a situation without corroborating witnesses, it could easily have resulted in arrest and possible conviction.

Moral: you shouldn't HAVE to hide your gun in an ideal society, but it ain't an ideal society. There are just too many total butt holes out there just looking to make your life a living hell.

60 posted on 06/28/2002 3:38:38 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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"YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY."

"KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON."

"IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN!"

"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."

"DON'T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU." "YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY."

Although these are very good rules to live by for concealed carry in the heat of the moment no one person can know how she or he will act at the time of engagment if your going to conceal carry follow these rules but above all of them THINK BEFORE YOU ACT

63 posted on 06/28/2002 5:41:28 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
bump
64 posted on 06/28/2002 7:14:54 PM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL

Not true in the great State of North Carolina. Our permits are for CONCEALED weapons. You need no permit to wear a weapon openly. The only thing approaching this in North Carolina is that DRAWING, or UNCONCEALING a weapon in the presence of a LEO unless by his/her request should be done carefully. Diplaying a weapon is actually not uncommon in some places here. HOLDING a weapon in threatening way is another story.

Displaying an NRA sticker is currently legal, but with the bent toward pin-headed Judges these days who knows if this will be lumped in at some future date...
70 posted on 06/29/2002 11:58:55 AM PDT by safisoft
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72 posted on 06/29/2002 7:09:20 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
It is surprising this appears on the JPFO website, I will research this.

The mentality expressed in these rules reflect the slow slide into barbarism that has brought both England and Australia among others to their current low estate.

The emphasis on the "duty to retreat" and the notion guns are intrinsically dangerous as inanimate objects and thus must be carefully concealed up to and including avoidance of fanny packs and vests reflects a desire on the part of the writer to inculcate fear and hesitation in the mind of the law abiding gunowner rather than focus on the savage violence criminals visit on the unsuspecting and unprepared.

Within living memory concealed weapons were considered the mark of the dishonest and criminal and many states and regions both encouraged and required "open carry" or visible display of weapons by the owner.

In modern times concealed carry has two primary advantages:

1.It foils many attempts by muggers and thugs to disarm their victims with a pre-emptive assault.

2. It creates the proper atmosphere of uncertainty in potential assailants as they are unable to easily discern who is armed and who is unarmed.

The only standard by which a thoroughly civilized society should measure gunownership is the standard upheld by the tiny state of Vermont where guns are carried, stored, transported,transfered or handled without penalty up until they are used in a criminal act at which point the state enacts severe penalties against the perpetrator.

In real life assaults it is frequently impossible to expeditiously determine the level of threat offered by a potential assailant.

In fact, Professor John Lott has documented between 1-2 MILLION ASSAULTS A YEAR are averted when a firearm is displayed by the potential victim of a crime. No shots are ever fired and no injuries are sustained by either the attacker or attackee.

Politically correct government officials who seek to pad their resumes by charging innocent taxpaying,property owning,law abiding citizens with busywork violations of law should be summarily removed from office and never allowed to work in government for the rest of their lives.

This entire list of rules carries with it the embedded premise that the "gun control state of mind is good" and Sovereign Citizens in a Representative Constitutional Republic are bad.

This embedded premise should not be endorsed,approved or encouraged.

Best regards,

73 posted on 06/29/2002 8:01:23 PM PDT by Copernicus
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