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Rebel Re-enactor with a Cause
The Free-Lance Star/"Aw Shucks!" | 6-30-02 | Laura Moyer

Posted on 07/01/2002 2:49:16 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861

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To: GOPcapitalist
Hitler and Grant had mustaches, but so did Hitler and most of the southern military leadership. I suppose the comparison is valid, but rather ridiculous. Still, virtually all of the southern military leadership supported slavery, like Hitler, so the comparisons continue.

You're making the link between Marx and Lincoln based on a letter. But let's look at it in more detail. Davis forced confederate farmers to sell a percentage of their crop to the government at prices below the market. He forced shipping companies to sell a percentage of their cargo space to the government at prices below the market. He conscripted slaves for labor, nationalized whole industries like textile and salt for the war effort, tried to push through income taxes that would have soaked the rich. All that sounds like policies that Marx would have loved. A rigid central government controlling the economy and pulling strings.

51 posted on 07/02/2002 4:16:02 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: GOPcapitalist
Your screen name is interesting considering your take on Lincoln. He is considered by many to be the first GOP president, and one of the founders of the GOP.
52 posted on 07/02/2002 4:23:20 AM PDT by exnavy
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To: exnavy
The GOP is not the same as it used to be - Southern Democrats were more conservative back then. Just curious - You shouldn't be offended by GOP's statements (we all failed the quiz!).
53 posted on 07/02/2002 6:10:27 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The war was brought on for the benefit of the slave power.

...according to you and Karl Marx, that is.

54 posted on 07/02/2002 2:02:02 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Non-Sequitur
Hitler and Grant had mustaches, but so did Hitler and most of the southern military leadership.

As did many of the northern military leaders.

I suppose the comparison is valid, but rather ridiculous.

And that is the point.

Still, virtually all of the southern military leadership supported slavery, like Hitler, so the comparisons continue.

Not so with at least the most prominent one, Robert E. Lee.

You're making the link between Marx and Lincoln based on a letter.

Based on a letter, Marx's devotion to the northern cause, and Marx's support for Lincoln throughout the war. In many ways, Marx was one of the north's biggest advocates.

But let's look at it in more detail. Davis forced confederate farmers to sell a percentage of their crop to the government at prices below the market. He forced shipping companies to sell a percentage of their cargo space to the government at prices below the market.

Compared to Lincoln, who skipped the formalities and simply seized the ships in their entirity.

He conscripted slaves for labor

Compared to Lincoln, who had his own draft and whose generals imprisoned civilian women and children in Georgia then shipped them up north for forced factory labor.

nationalized whole industries like textile and salt for the war effort

Compared to Lincoln, who had spent his entire career supporting government intervention in industries in the form of subside and protectionist tariffs.

tried to push through income taxes that would have soaked the rich.

Compared to Lincoln, who actually got his taxes through.

And of course we can add to that Lincoln's open and repeatedly expressed belief in the labor theory of value, the central principle at the basis of communism itself.

All that sounds like policies that Marx would have loved.

Yet he didn't. Instead he loved Lincoln, whose policies were closer to his own by a long shot.

A rigid central government controlling the economy and pulling strings.

Call it the Lincoln Doctrine of government.

55 posted on 07/02/2002 2:14:03 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: exnavy
Your screen name is interesting considering your take on Lincoln. He is considered by many to be the first GOP president, and one of the founders of the GOP.

That he is. And on a similar note, Andrew Jackson is considered by many to be the first Democrat president. Does that mean all democrats today are political models of Andrew Jackson? That all republicans today are political models of Abraham Lincoln? No, and far from it on both.

56 posted on 07/02/2002 2:14:11 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: TexConfederate1861

Dixie Bump
57 posted on 07/03/2002 5:22:28 PM PDT by aomagrat
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