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Bush Still Opposed to Int'l Court (Thank you PRESIDENT BUSH- Standing up for U.S. sovereignty)
AP ^ | Tue Jul 2, 2:54 PM ET | By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

Posted on 07/02/2002 12:18:35 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian

Bush Still Opposed to Int'l Court

Tue Jul 2, 2:54 PM ET

By RON FOURNIER, AP White House Correspondent

MILWAUKEE (AP) - President Bush ( news - web sites) vowed Tuesday to keep looking for a way to resolve a dispute with U.S. allies over the world's first permanent war crimes court.

But Bush said he would not drop his opposition to the International Criminal Court.

"We'll try to work out the impasse, but the one thing we're not going to do is sign on," Bush said during a tour of a local church to promote his domestic agenda.

The administration is seeking blanket immunity from the U.N. Security Council for Americans serving in U.N.-approved peacekeeping missions.

As the tribunal was launched on Monday, the United States withdrew three U.S. military observers serving with the United Nations ( news - web sites) in East Timor ( news - web sites). But U.S. diplomats assured Europeans that the United States would not pull American peacekeepers out of Bosnia.

"Our commitment to the Bosnia mission is very strong, our desire to see this worked out in the context of the United Nations is very strong," the State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in Washington.

And the Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said the United States would not abandon current peacekeeping operations while striving to get Americans exempted from the court's jurisdiction.

More than 100 countries celebrated the birth Monday of the International Criminal Court as a milestone for global justice and vowed not to let U.S. opposition sabotage the tribunal's mission to deter and prosecute war criminals.

The Bush administration maintains that the court would put U.S. soldiers and civilians at risk of prosecution under laws that are outside America's control, calling the court a potential violation of U.S. sovereignty.

"As the United States works to bring peace around the world our diplomats and/or soldiers can be drug into the court. That's very troubling," Bush said.

His spokesman, Ari Fleischer ( news - web sites), said aboard Air Force One that other U.S. allies have negotiated immunity for their soldiers and civilians under the court — something the United States can't do because it doesn't belong to the group.

Fleischer said it was unclear whether the United States would be able to break the logjam with its allies.

Though the dispute is jeopardizing U.S. participation in the Bosnian peacekeeping mission, Fleischer said, "The president thinks it is a vital matter of principle to protect American men and women peacekeepers ... the United States has a lot at risk."

Fleischer said it is "absolutely not" Bush's intention to use the dispute as an excuse to pull out of the peacekeeping mission.


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1 posted on 07/02/2002 12:18:35 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
BTTT
2 posted on 07/02/2002 12:22:05 PM PDT by b4its2late
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To: WakeUpChristian; Howlin
A big "not-a-dime's-worth-of-difference" bump to all the Bush Bashers who think it would have been no big difference to have Al Gore as President.
3 posted on 07/02/2002 12:24:04 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: JohnHuang2
Could you please provide one mega-ping and a repost of your superb essay on this topic?
4 posted on 07/02/2002 12:26:35 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: My2Cents
Oh, get off it! Al Gore would be fighting the world court, too.




Yeah, right.
5 posted on 07/02/2002 12:26:53 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: b4its2late

MR BUSH you said "you are with us are you are against us" Assad says Syria will continue backing Hezbollah

He is against us

6 posted on 07/02/2002 12:30:26 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: My2Cents
MR BUSH is right on this one
7 posted on 07/02/2002 12:33:53 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
My guess is that President Bush and his administration are WELL AWARE of the Arab nuts who back extremist factions. Well aware.

So glad President Bush is telling the UN to stick it where the sun 'don't' shine! (Well...lol...my words but you catch my drift, I'm sure!) Way to go President Bush!!! (McVainiacs will hate this-hehe)

8 posted on 07/02/2002 12:33:53 PM PDT by Republic
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To: WakeUpChristian
It's time for us to dump the UN. If our government were to round up and send home all UN people in the USA, I would volunteer my own money and muscle power to help them pack up.
9 posted on 07/02/2002 12:35:50 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Poohbah
Assad says Syria will keep supporting Hezbollah!

Looks like someone else needs to have their funds... redirected to more productive uses. ;)
10 posted on 07/02/2002 12:36:05 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: WakeUpChristian
Assad's time will come. Remember: Bush pointed told Syria two weeks ago in his address on the Middle East that they'd better decide which side they're on. Now we know (as if we ever really had any doubt).

Can't help noticing, too, how much that photo makes this guy look like Hitler.

11 posted on 07/02/2002 12:36:35 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
A big "not-a-dime's-worth-of-difference" bump to all the Bush Bashers who think it would have been no big difference to have Al Gore as President.

I'll admit that there is a dime's worth of difference. But we need about $100 worth of difference, and in far too many cases Bush is coming up short.

That doesn't mean I'm not grateful for occasional victories like this one for our side.

12 posted on 07/02/2002 12:37:18 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: Republic
So glad President Bush is telling the UN to stick it where the sun 'don't' shine!

Seattle, Washington?

13 posted on 07/02/2002 12:37:36 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: WakeUpChristian
Please check the "Does Anyone Remember Michael New" post.
14 posted on 07/02/2002 12:38:10 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: My2Cents
Well.....that's not exactly what I had in mind! hehe
15 posted on 07/02/2002 12:40:05 PM PDT by Republic
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To: hchutch
Syrsia assumes presidency of UN Security Council
16 posted on 07/02/2002 12:41:23 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
One thing that will be amusing in the future will be to see how the NWO/Builderburger crowd tries to sell that Bush is a one-world-government globalist, in the face of such actions.

Will they drop trying?

Somehow, I doubt it. So how will they couch it in the future?

17 posted on 07/02/2002 12:41:37 PM PDT by Dales
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To: WakeUpChristian
Great.

< /sarcasm >

You know, maybe we ought not to pay the UN dues for a while - demand changes.
18 posted on 07/02/2002 12:42:15 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Republic
My guess is that President Bush and his administration are WELL AWARE of the Arab nuts who back extremist factions. Well aware.

if he WELL AWARE of it .why has he not none something about it?

19 posted on 07/02/2002 12:44:24 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
It's not Mr. Bush. It is PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
20 posted on 07/02/2002 12:45:49 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Dales
Will they drop trying?

never

21 posted on 07/02/2002 12:46:39 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
Just because you don't see what is going on doesn't mean he isn't doing something. He said from the very beginning this war won't be all fought on the battlefield.
22 posted on 07/02/2002 12:47:19 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
He has done too many things that are liberal by his policies and by his appointments.

When he is right, I will gve him the credit.

23 posted on 07/02/2002 12:49:22 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: rwfromkansas
The battlefield now is the U.N, Environmental wackos, Socialists, Communists, Homosexuals,

: lets see if he get us out of the U.N

24 posted on 07/02/2002 12:54:46 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
When he is right, I will gve him the credit.

You'll understand if we don't hold our collective breath waiting for you to do that.

25 posted on 07/02/2002 12:54:57 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: WakeUpChristian
We don't know, now do we WakeUp? But things can't always be done in black and white scenarios. Those who are supporting extremists know FULL WELL how they are viewed by our nation. And they take a risk everytime they publically demonstrate their cowardly, sick support of such murderous fanatics. Since you and I are not the President of the United States-the response seems simple to us. We don't have to consider worldwide consequences of our every action, our very words, in fact. President Bush does.

I believe much is being done that we know nothing about....and to my way of thinking, President Bush has given me EVERY reason to trust his judgement.

I don't think anyone in this nation other than those who lost loved ones in one of the terrorist attacks DISPISES terrorists and those who support terrorists more than our President.

Let's keep in mind what he said...and understand that some of this crap will take a great deal of time.

26 posted on 07/02/2002 12:58:03 PM PDT by Republic
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To: rwfromkansas
International Criminal Court statute enters force; Annan hails ‘historic’ occasion

1 July – As the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court entered into force today, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan hailed the “historic” creation of the world’s first permanent forum for trying individuals responsible for war crimes as a powerful tool for prosecuting and preventing atrocities.

The entry into force of the ICC's Statute "reaffirms the centrality of the rule of law in international relations," said Mr. Annan in a statement released in New York.

The Secretary-General said the Hague-based Court "holds the promise of a world in which the perpetrators of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes are prosecuted when individual States are unable or unwilling to bring them to justice." The ICC, he added, would also serve as a potential deterrent to future atrocities.

"I congratulate all the States parties – currently 74 – on taking the lead in ratifying the Statute, and I appeal to all States that have not yet done so to ratify or accede to it as soon as possible," Mr. Annan said. "There must be no relenting in the fight against impunity or in our efforts to prevent genocide and the other horrendous crimes that fall under the Court's jurisdiction."

Meanwhile today in The Hague, an advance team for the ICC began its work on preparing for the Court to start recruiting and beginning its basic operations.

The team, consisting of eight experts, will work closely with the Government of the Netherlands on preparatory work before the first budget of the Court is to be adopted by its States Parties when they meet this September. At that time, recruitment and procurement can formally begin.

The States Parties to the Statute expect to elect a prosecutor and 18 judges for the Court in another meeting, scheduled for January.

27 posted on 07/02/2002 1:01:06 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: Dales
Quite simply . . . this is merely a feint off the road to the NWO. Your tin-foil is not properly fastened.
28 posted on 07/02/2002 1:03:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Maceman
There have been TONS of such things,that would give you a MILLION DOLLARS worth of difference; you just don't seem to be able tol remember them all. : -(
29 posted on 07/02/2002 1:04:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: My2Cents
It takes more than one issue to impress me; still, I'm glad that at least this one issue is being handled with some backbone. I hope the GOP doesn't lose its nerve and undercut him on this.
30 posted on 07/02/2002 1:04:44 PM PDT by alpowolf
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To: rwfromkansas
Watch and see how this become a law in America

UN calls for backing of multibillion-dollar environmental fund

17 June – The head of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) today urged governments to "swiftly and significantly" replenish a multibillion-dollar fund that has proven to be an invaluable weapon in the fight against poverty and environmental degradation.

UNEP Executive Director Klaus Toepfer, speaking in Stockholm at the 30th anniversary celebrations of the conference that led to the creation of the UN agency, called on heads of State to make the replenishment of the Global Environment Facility (GEF) a top priority and a key outcome of the upcoming World Summit on Sustainable Development.

The GEF was established for a pilot phase in 1991 in the run-up to the ----------Rio Earth Summit of 1992

to focus on biodiversity, climate change, international waters, land degradation, the ozone layer and, more recently, issues like the phasing out persistent organic pollutants (POPs), according to UNEP.

During its pilot phase the Facility was given $1.2 billion, and subsequently was replenished twice, for $2.02 billion and $2.75 billion, before it was re-structured in 1994. The third replenishment is due this year.

The GEF has proven its worth and the funds, given to it by developed nations, have been very well spent, Mr. Toepfer said, noting that 16 independent auditors recently concluded that the Facility was an innovative, unique and successfully run body for sustainable development.

"The GEF is not a new funding arm but an established one," he said. "It has been agreed that it is now due for re-vitalization so it can continue its excellent work. Let's now do this and give it the financial resources needed to carry on with its important activities."

31 posted on 07/02/2002 1:04:47 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Can you tell me just 5 Conservatism things he done?
32 posted on 07/02/2002 1:10:31 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: WakeUpChristian
Syria's Assad is tryin to bring back that famous 1930's fashion statement - the Hitler mustache.
33 posted on 07/02/2002 1:13:53 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Republic
We don't have to consider worldwide consequences of our every action, our very words, in fact. President Bush does.

What happen to "you are with us, are you are against us"

34 posted on 07/02/2002 1:14:19 PM PDT by WakeUpChristian
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To: hchutch
Assad says Syria will keep supporting Hezbollah!

Looks like someone else needs to have their funds... redirected to more productive uses. ;)

Yup...

OK, let's add Destruction of Army Group Center, The Next War, Objective Moscow, and every issue of Strategy & Tactics ever done to my shopping list...

35 posted on 07/02/2002 1:18:00 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: 1rudeboy
lol Kinda like Kevin Kline as Otto in A Fish Called Wanda trying to lie to Wendy?

"Double bluff?"

36 posted on 07/02/2002 1:18:18 PM PDT by Dales
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To: WakeUpChristian
1) Tax cuts

2) Nominated a fine slate of conservative judges

3) Pulled us out of the ABM treaty with the non-existant USSR and persued a missile defense.

4) Quashed Kyoto.

5) Changed the position of the federal government to that the 2nd Amendment is about individual rights, reversing over 50 years of precedent.

6) Got us out of the UN Commission on Small Arms.

7) Stopped US dollars going to pay for abortions in Central America.

8) Got us out of the ICC

9) The stem cell decision.

10) Took on the Civil Rights Commission to get his appointee seated.

Has he had things that have made me bang my head on the table? Certainly.

But overall, the pluses have outweighed the minuses in my ledger. But his signing McCain-Feingold remains a pretty big minus.

37 posted on 07/02/2002 1:26:07 PM PDT by Dales
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To: WakeUpChristian
Those consequences were not spelled out. With good reason. But you can bet, somewhere, names are being taken and MO's are being discussed.
38 posted on 07/02/2002 1:31:42 PM PDT by Republic
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To: Dales
That's TEN.

He asked for only FIVE.

So he won't consider his question answered.

39 posted on 07/02/2002 1:36:22 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple
And I'll tack on a few Debbie Gibson CDs, a Chevy Camaro (why did they kill it?) or two, perhaps get a beachfront condo at Cape Hatteras, and maybe even a Su-30MK and flying lessons to my shopping list.

Privateering against terrorism. Of course, we ought to cut the hacker in on the deal.
40 posted on 07/02/2002 1:39:55 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
And I'll tack on a few Debbie Gibson CDs,

Good grief! Try Laura Branigan and Lita Ford instead.

a Chevy Camaro (why did they kill it?) or two,

They killed it because nobody was buying it. I'll take a Vector M12 and a McLaren instead.

perhaps get a beachfront condo at Cape Hatteras,

Hurricanes and Dick Gephardt for a neighbor do NOT mix.

and maybe even a Su-30MK and flying lessons to my shopping list.

Don't forget a couple of oil refineries--one for each engine :o)

Privateering against terrorism. Of course, we ought to cut the hacker in on the deal.

Yup. "Do not bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain."

41 posted on 07/02/2002 1:46:42 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah; Miss Marple
Well, I'll figure some other place out - or maybe I'll just stick to golf lessons at the Greenbriar. :)

I'm more partial to American muscle cars. Maybe I'll go for a Mustang...

The only questions are, will the Ashcroft-Olson DOJ let us do the privateering in peace, and will we be allowed to keep the loot?
42 posted on 07/02/2002 1:49:58 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
A Vector IS American.
43 posted on 07/02/2002 1:56:36 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: WakeUpChristian
Since I often rip at Bush for some of this things, I'll say kudos for doing something right this time.

I call em as I see them.

44 posted on 07/02/2002 2:03:14 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Poohbah
I'll get one then.

So, we're going to redirect funds from Libya and Syria... any other folks who might need funds re-directed to more productive purposes? :)
45 posted on 07/02/2002 2:18:59 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: hchutch
Iran, North Korea (but they may not have enough to be worth stealing), the Kosovo Liberation Army, Yasser Arafat's boys, Hamas...
46 posted on 07/02/2002 2:21:02 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: WakeUpChristian
Figured I'd better drop in real quick and bump this...

He is not a "Mr. Bush" ...he is a PRESIDENT BUSH. See....HE fights for us against Bubba's and lie-berman's Third Way, One world government BS.

Thank you, Mr. President.

...it is STILL sooooooooo good to be able to write, or type, or even THINK the name of A MAN...in conjunction with the word "president."

Again...GO TOM RIDGE!!!! YET ANOTHER GREAT, PA, commonsensical law to thwart the environazis!!! OK....and GO MARK SHWEIKER for the extra anti-ENVIRO WACKO LAWS we now have here in PA....which the rest of the country doesn't even acknowledge,

47 posted on 07/02/2002 2:22:34 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: WakeUpChristian
We really need to just pull out of Bosnia and everywhere else that is of no value to us.Let the EURO-PEONS worry with it and deplete their resources.This would put a stop to the EURO-NAZIS and their quest for world domination,after all,all anyone is doing is the U.N.'s dirty work.
48 posted on 07/02/2002 2:22:35 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: WakeUpChristian
"When he is right, I will gve him the credit."

In a pig's eye you will! You will continue to rail against the lack of conservative "purity".

49 posted on 07/02/2002 2:24:05 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: Dales
Yeah, besides those! Don't you realize that these Bush Bashers will not give credit where credit is due, because that would distort their "worldview".
50 posted on 07/02/2002 2:25:34 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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