Skip to comments.Why July 4 is significant to Islamists
Posted on 07/03/2002 6:09:49 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
On Sunday, one of the "experts" in the endless parade of experts on cable news stated the obvious: "I am unaware of any special significance of the date Sept. 11." His implication was that there is no reason to anticipate a terror attack on July 4 because bin Laden didn't use date significance as a basis for selecting 9-11. Although he was technically accurate, he was pretty far from correct.
Bin Laden is trying to raise the entire Muslim world to Jihad. Creating the mystique of the Chosen is central to his goal, and symbolism is the greatest weapon in his arsenal (thus far). Consider what he said (twice) in his post-Sept. 11 video: " after 80 years, the sword has come to America " He was clearly referring to the resolution passed by the U.S. Congress endorsing the partition of Palestine (creation of a Zionist homeland) on Sept. 11, 1922.
Experts on American news networks continually warn us that al-Qaida may be encoding secret messages to sleeper cells in their videos and communiqués, but bin Laden speaks openly, relying on us not knowing even our own history, let alone Islamic history. Which brings us to July 4. We, in our narcissism, assume that July 4 is all about us. But to Muslims it is a day of ultimate triumph.
On July 4, 1197, Saladin (Salah al-Din) completely annihilated the 20,000-man Crusader army at the battle of the Horns of Hattin, driving the "Christians" from the Holy Land until the 20th century. And we can be sure it is not lost on bin Laden that Saladin won this battle in spite of the fact that the Crusaders carried with them the "True Cross" (the True Cross was a relic designated by Constantine's mother during the initial phase of the paganization of Christianity).
Consequently, July 4 is a very likely candidate for a terrorist strike, albeit only if the Islamists feel they have the means to achieve a final victory over the U.S.
The first question is, do they? Recently, al-Qaida spokesman Abu Ghaith promised to kill 4,000,000 of us, referring to America as "Hubal." Hubal was the last and the largest of the 364 pagan gods in the Kaaba to be toppled by Muhammad (al-ilah, the predecessor to Allah, was left standing). The image of Hubal was so large that Ali (Muhammad's son and the first Imam) had to stand on the Prophet's shoulders to push it over.
The second question is, clearly, is bin Laden ready to stand on the Prophet's shoulders now? That really should be a role of the 12th Imam (Al Mahdi the long-awaited Muslim chosen one who will convert the whole world by the sword). Maybe bin Laden has been hanging around a guy in really old clothes for a reason: Mullah Omar wears the Cloak of Muhammad (which he stole from a museum in Kandahar). We all know neither clothes nor symbols make the man, but in an eschatologically-based war, image and deeds together can be larger than life. Remember, most of Europe capitulated before Tiger tanks bearing swastikas and the mere idea of blitzkrieg.
It is reported that Bin Laden writes poetry in the style of Saladin. For bin Laden, defeating the Crusader army and knocking over Hubal on July 4 would be the stuff of which epic poems are made.
Mark Robinson is a scientist and author.
Why is World Net Daily the only source that seems capable of coming up with this?
Anybody know anything else about the author? He might be worth reading.
I'm also curious what he means by: "the initial phase of the paganization of Christianity". Sounds like he's writing an interesting history book.
Christianity has adopted a lot of pagan symbols which have no biblical origin. The most obvious ones are related to Easter and Christmas celebrations.
There are many references to it in Eliot's The Waste Land
The Germans didn't start to build Tiger tanks in April 1942. This was long after the blitzkrieg phase and capitulation of most of Europe.
How's that for being anal? ;-)
Unfortunately, the Tiger tank did not come on the scene until after the blitzkriegs that subjugated Europe.
"(Al Mahdi the long-awaited Muslim chosen one who will convert the whole world by the sword)."How characteristic of devil-worshippers to aspire to converting the world "by the sword" rather than by peaceful means, persuasion, love, teaching.
But what else would anyone expect from a "god" that loves murder, suicide, terror, pain, and death--and those who serve "it"?
St. John also plagerised Plato .. In the beginning was the Word etc... only in the Platonic system, Plato NEVER wrote: "and the word was made flesh". Still, the first part is directly lifted from Plato. Chistianity (at the time) was an attempt to create a hybrid between the vague "word" of Platonic philosophy and give it a human face.
The American Secular Humanist (Separation of Church & State) phase. Kill god and the rest follows. (Cut off the head, and the body is sure to die)
OK - I'm wearing my tinfoil hat! But, on the night of September 11 I noticed that there was a crescent moon with a star next to it (venus?) - very, very bright. That is the symbol of the United Arab Emirates, if I'm not mistaken. I believe they perpetrated their act of terrorism under their symbol.
That is absolutely true. Dec. 25 was the date for the traditional celebration of the Sun God, in the pagan world. Whether you called him Ra or Apollo, ir didn't matter. Dec 25 was your day to give thanks. The Christians appealed to Constantine to have a date on their own, and Constantine said: "You can use Dec 25. Take it or leave it." So the early Christians decided that if they gave presents to each other (symbolizing the wise men), they would be different from all those other people also celebrating on Dec. 25.
What's your lat/long? I can research that.
They become historic after some deed randomly pans out on that date. The folklore is created ex post facto.
It seems to me that those who try to mimic history rarely make it.
The FBI now theorizes that the attacks of 9/11 were hastily moved up to that date when Moussouai was arrested. They beleive the mission was moved up in case details of it were obtained through interrogation.
Its a safe prediction that Fidel Castro will die on Cuba's greatest holiday.
I'm interested as to what you consider pagan symbols in the Christian recognition of Easter?
"Al Mahdi the long-awaited Muslim chosen one who will convert the whole world by the sword."I don't suppose it ever occurred to these Satanists to try to "convert the whole world by the" TRUTH...and with the TRUTH...and to the TRUTH.
But then again, perhaps it did. TRUTH would mean the end of Islam.
They perpetrated the attack in good weather. 9/11 had CAVU (clear air, visibility unlimited) from Boston to Washington, DC. You can get a fairly reliable weather forecast 3 days out and you can be sure they didn't get a final "go" till 3 days beforehand.
Had 9/11 been cloudy you can bet your bottom dollar we'd likely be talking about the "9/18" attacks.
Those attacks were heavily dependent on no low clouds. Thus, a physical impossibility for them to be scheduled based on some date in ancient history or some silly astronomical feature.
One could actually argue that the Easter date calculation itself is a hold over from paganism. The official definition (used to this day is): (Gregorian Easter)
1) The media calls ANY military vehicle that isn't obviouly a jeep a "tank"......including APCs, AFVs, LAVs, etc.
2) The media calling any naval vessel..including frigates, cruisers, and destroyers, a "Battleship" (currently no battleships in active service anywhere in the world.)
3) The WORST one is the media confusing "casualties" with "killed" (this one is so bad I suspect over 50% of FR readers probably think casualty = killed); casualities refer to killed, WOUNDED (doesn't have to be mortal or even that badly wounded), and missing.
At my location, the moon wasn't up on the night of September 11.
Still, a moot point, as I've stated, because clear weather was absolutely critical; even with GPS, someone with a radio beacon at the target, etc., it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for them to hit either target with a low cloud deck, IMHO.
A reasonable assertion...however, you tend to view this from modern times, which have more rigorous dates and deadlines, commincations and modern transportation. Even the Romans would not have expected so efficient a census-taking as you would suggest in March. Some scholars believe the family remained in Bethlehem after the birth for several months, even to a couple of years.
Can't deny that there are pagan tones to religious holidays. One of the holidays least associated with paganism is the Feast of All Saints...Halloween.
If there's no one left to record history, did it really happen?
Details, details, details... these men are terrorists not mathematicians.
Putting it after midnight puts it on the 12th, which is the point I was making. I needed sneakers' lat/long .. but it seemed clear to me that that particular story was just that ... a story
For instance: George Washington's birthday used to have 2 different designations -- one from the Julian Calendar and one from the Gregorian Calendar. You get my point? Does the July 4th date given for the Battle of the Horns of Hatten actually correspond to our modern calendar, or not? Any professional historians among the Freepers? Buehler? Anyone?
While it is true Christian leaders did in a sense "baptize" pagan holidays--in a missionary effort to help people forget the old ways...the fact of the matter is no one really knows when Jesus was born. I've heard scholars say a good guess is in Autumn, since that's when harvest is gathered -- and the traditional time to collect taxes. Your scholars say its Spring... Scholars have also scoffed at the idea that sheperds would be tending their flocks near Jerusalem in December--unfortunately for the scholars shepherds do actually, even today, tend sheep outside in December! Scholars are simply often wrong. The popular scholarly theory is that Dec. 25 or the solstice was Saturnalia-converted-to-Christmas--but we really do not know when Jesus was born, period.
We also don't know that Dec. 25 was NOT Jesus' birthday--as any honest scholar will reveal.
My guess is: it doesn't matter. Its July 4 to the modern Islamists, irrespective of how the calendars have been changed in the interim.
Incidentally, there have been a number of cases where terrorist bombers have blown themselves up because they got crossed up with daylight savings time and such time changes. I believe two of them shared the Darwin award one year for just such a screw-up. They're not likely to be more mathematically precise regarding historical dates.