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Why July 4 is significant to Islamists
World Net Daily ^ | July 3, 2002 | Mark Robinson

Posted on 07/03/2002 6:09:49 AM PDT by Linda Liberty

On Sunday, one of the "experts" in the endless parade of experts on cable news stated the obvious: "I am unaware of any special significance of the date Sept. 11." His implication was that there is no reason to anticipate a terror attack on July 4 because bin Laden didn't use date significance as a basis for selecting 9-11. Although he was technically accurate, he was pretty far from correct.

Bin Laden is trying to raise the entire Muslim world to Jihad. Creating the mystique of the Chosen is central to his goal, and symbolism is the greatest weapon in his arsenal (thus far). Consider what he said (twice) in his post-Sept. 11 video: "… after 80 years, the sword has come to America …" He was clearly referring to the resolution passed by the U.S. Congress endorsing the partition of Palestine (creation of a Zionist homeland) on Sept. 11, 1922.

Experts on American news networks continually warn us that al-Qaida may be encoding secret messages to sleeper cells in their videos and communiqués, but bin Laden speaks openly, relying on us not knowing even our own history, let alone Islamic history. Which brings us to July 4. We, in our narcissism, assume that July 4 is all about us. But to Muslims it is a day of ultimate triumph.

On July 4, 1197, Saladin (Salah al-Din) completely annihilated the 20,000-man Crusader army at the battle of the Horns of Hattin, driving the "Christians" from the Holy Land until the 20th century. And we can be sure it is not lost on bin Laden that Saladin won this battle in spite of the fact that the Crusaders carried with them the "True Cross" (the True Cross was a relic designated by Constantine's mother during the initial phase of the paganization of Christianity).

Consequently, July 4 is a very likely candidate for a terrorist strike, albeit only if the Islamists feel they have the means to achieve a final victory over the U.S.

The first question is, do they? Recently, al-Qaida spokesman Abu Ghaith promised to kill 4,000,000 of us, referring to America as "Hubal." Hubal was the last and the largest of the 364 pagan gods in the Kaaba to be toppled by Muhammad (al-ilah, the predecessor to Allah, was left standing). The image of Hubal was so large that Ali (Muhammad's son and the first Imam) had to stand on the Prophet's shoulders to push it over.

The second question is, clearly, is bin Laden ready to stand on the Prophet's shoulders now? That really should be a role of the 12th Imam (Al Mahdi – the long-awaited Muslim chosen one who will convert the whole world by the sword). Maybe bin Laden has been hanging around a guy in really old clothes for a reason: Mullah Omar wears the Cloak of Muhammad (which he stole from a museum in Kandahar). We all know neither clothes nor symbols make the man, but in an eschatologically-based war, image and deeds together can be larger than life. Remember, most of Europe capitulated before Tiger tanks bearing swastikas and the mere idea of blitzkrieg.

It is reported that Bin Laden writes poetry in the style of Saladin. For bin Laden, defeating the Crusader army and knocking over Hubal on July 4 would be the stuff of which epic poems are made.


Mark Robinson is a scientist and author.


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KEYWORDS: binladen; homelandsecurity; islamist
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Thought you may be interested to see where this thread is headed.
42 posted on 07/03/2002 7:28:21 AM PDT by ksen
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To: mille99
Then why didn't they wait another year to strike us on Setember 11, 2002?

Details, details, details... these men are terrorists not mathematicians.

43 posted on 07/03/2002 7:30:39 AM PDT by Gaston
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To: John H K
With all due respect; It may be silly to US but it is not silly to THEM:

http://www.ummah.org.uk/ildl/index.html

45 posted on 07/03/2002 7:37:13 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: John H K
Eh, it was visible, and a last quarter moon, but wasn't visible till after midnight.

Putting it after midnight puts it on the 12th, which is the point I was making. I needed sneakers' lat/long .. but it seemed clear to me that that particular story was just that ... a story

46 posted on 07/03/2002 7:37:56 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Linda Liberty; All
You know, when I see a story like this that begins, "On this date in history, such 'n such happened," I can't help wondering if these dates were adjusted when the modern calendar was adopted.

For instance: George Washington's birthday used to have 2 different designations -- one from the Julian Calendar and one from the Gregorian Calendar. You get my point? Does the July 4th date given for the Battle of the Horns of Hatten actually correspond to our modern calendar, or not? Any professional historians among the Freepers? Buehler? Anyone?

47 posted on 07/03/2002 7:50:36 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: CyberSpartacus
Jesus was born in the spring ...

While it is true Christian leaders did in a sense "baptize" pagan holidays--in a missionary effort to help people forget the old ways...the fact of the matter is no one really knows when Jesus was born. I've heard scholars say a good guess is in Autumn, since that's when harvest is gathered -- and the traditional time to collect taxes. Your scholars say its Spring... Scholars have also scoffed at the idea that sheperds would be tending their flocks near Jerusalem in December--unfortunately for the scholars shepherds do actually, even today, tend sheep outside in December! Scholars are simply often wrong. The popular scholarly theory is that Dec. 25 or the solstice was Saturnalia-converted-to-Christmas--but we really do not know when Jesus was born, period.

We also don't know that Dec. 25 was NOT Jesus' birthday--as any honest scholar will reveal.

48 posted on 07/03/2002 8:00:04 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Tallguy
Does the July 4th date given for the Battle of the Horns of Hatten actually correspond to our modern calendar, or not?

My guess is: it doesn't matter. Its July 4 to the modern Islamists, irrespective of how the calendars have been changed in the interim.

Incidentally, there have been a number of cases where terrorist bombers have blown themselves up because they got crossed up with daylight savings time and such time changes. I believe two of them shared the Darwin award one year for just such a screw-up. They're not likely to be more mathematically precise regarding historical dates.

49 posted on 07/03/2002 8:07:02 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
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To: Utopia
I'm sorry - I thought you said you could research it. Here are my coordinates:
40.619628N, 79.159596W


50 posted on 07/03/2002 8:13:30 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: CyberSpartacus; Linda Liberty; All
Please ignore all links I provided in Reply #28 except for this one: WHAT WERE THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS?

Was the New Testament Influenced by Pagan Religions? by Ronald Nash

CRI STATEMENT DB109

The other links were a result of some research I had been doing months ago on cults. In no way do I want anyone to think that I am promoting Mormonism. Please accept my apologies for linking you to that site as if it could be considered to be a Christian apologetics resource.

51 posted on 07/03/2002 8:15:05 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Linda Liberty
Dates are highly significant to terrorists, for anniversaries and other things, and are generally recognized as times of heightened risk.

Here is a web site with dates: http://www.terrorism.com/calendar/Calendar.html. It's the one everyone links to.

That site is pretty extensive, including dates which are probably obscure to most people in the US and not connected with the Middle East. For some reason (unless I missed it), July 4 isn't mentioned as the US national holiday, though it is mentioned in connection with some other obscure events. You'd think there'd be terrorist significance in the great satan's birthday.

52 posted on 07/03/2002 8:24:51 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: Tallguy
For instance: George Washington's birthday used to have 2 different designations -- one from the Julian Calendar and one from the Gregorian Calendar.

England (and colonies) adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Mobs rioted all over England demanding their lost week(?) back. I'm not sure whether Americans reacted so strongly.

53 posted on 07/03/2002 8:32:37 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Utopia
One could actually argue that the Easter date calculation itself is a hold over from paganism. The official definition (used to this day is): (Gregorian Easter)

I could have swore that I typed symbol. Do you consider the date a symbol?

54 posted on 07/03/2002 8:35:55 AM PDT by TwoBear
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To: pttttt
July 4 is also not mentioned as the anniversary of the
Horns of Hattin, making me wonder what use that web site
is, and further calling into question the competence of
our State Department since that calendar was allegedly
compiled from State Department Sources.
55 posted on 07/03/2002 8:46:09 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
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To: sneakers
What time did you do this sighting? I can't find anything that matches your description with the lat/long you gave. You're 4 hours off GMT, right?
56 posted on 07/03/2002 8:58:16 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Utopia
Forgive me, Utopia - I'm not very good in geography. If you mean Greenwich time, then I believe we're five hours here.
57 posted on 07/03/2002 9:08:18 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: John H K
"You've got basically 1300 chances for a given date to have had something happen."

Even more than that. Does the date July 4, 1197 in the article refer to Julian or Gregorian reckoning? There are two dates that could claim to be the anniversary of that day.
58 posted on 07/03/2002 9:10:05 AM PDT by j.havenfarm
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To: sneakers
Yes, I saw the crescent moon with the planet next to it when I awoke early before 6 a.m. on the east coast. I thought it looked so beautiful. It was in the eastern sky! Then, 911 occurred and I looked at the various flags of nations because I knew that configuration was similar to something... Turns out it is also the config of the flag of Pakistan. And we all know how critical Pakistan became in the immediate days followeing 911. This morning, I awoke to the crescent moon in the eastern sky again; this time, no accompanying planet. But isn't the crescent the symbol of Islam all by iteself? And again, the crescent moon is again lumbering in the east in the a.m.!
59 posted on 07/03/2002 9:42:16 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Utopia
You say "the Christians appealed to Constantine," but Constantine himself was already converted to Christianity at that point. He was a believer and did not act as casually or as disinterested as your statement infers.
60 posted on 07/03/2002 9:45:56 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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