Why July 4 is significant to Islamists

World Net Daily ^ | July 3, 2002 | Mark Robinson

[ksen]

Thought you may be interested to see where this thread is headed.

[Gaston]

Then why didn't they wait another year to strike us on Setember 11, 2002?

Details, details, details... these men are terrorists not mathematicians.

[sneakers]

With all due respect; It may be silly to US but it is not silly to THEM:

http://www.ummah.org.uk/ildl/index.html

[Utopia]

Eh, it was visible, and a last quarter moon, but wasn't visible till after midnight.

Putting it after midnight puts it on the 12th, which is the point I was making. I needed sneakers' lat/long .. but it seemed clear to me that that particular story was just that ... a story

[Tallguy]

You know, when I see a story like this that begins, "On this date in history, such 'n such happened," I can't help wondering if these dates were adjusted when the modern calendar was adopted.

For instance: George Washington's birthday used to have 2 different designations -- one from the Julian Calendar and one from the Gregorian Calendar. You get my point? Does the July 4th date given for the Battle of the Horns of Hatten actually correspond to our modern calendar, or not? Any professional historians among the Freepers? Buehler? Anyone?

[AnalogReigns]

Jesus was born in the spring ...

While it is true Christian leaders did in a sense "baptize" pagan holidays--in a missionary effort to help people forget the old ways...the fact of the matter is no one really knows when Jesus was born. I've heard scholars say a good guess is in Autumn, since that's when harvest is gathered -- and the traditional time to collect taxes. Your scholars say its Spring... Scholars have also scoffed at the idea that sheperds would be tending their flocks near Jerusalem in December--unfortunately for the scholars shepherds do actually, even today, tend sheep outside in December! Scholars are simply often wrong. The popular scholarly theory is that Dec. 25 or the solstice was Saturnalia-converted-to-Christmas--but we really do not know when Jesus was born, period.

We also don't know that Dec. 25 was NOT Jesus' birthday--as any honest scholar will reveal.

[Linda Liberty]

Does the July 4th date given for the Battle of the Horns of Hatten actually correspond to our modern calendar, or not?

My guess is: it doesn't matter. Its July 4 to the modern Islamists, irrespective of how the calendars have been changed in the interim.

Incidentally, there have been a number of cases where terrorist bombers have blown themselves up because they got crossed up with daylight savings time and such time changes. I believe two of them shared the Darwin award one year for just such a screw-up. They're not likely to be more mathematically precise regarding historical dates.

[sneakers]

I'm sorry - I thought you said you could research it. Here are my coordinates:
40.619628N, 79.159596W

[Matchett-PI]

Please ignore all links I provided in Reply #28 except for this one: WHAT WERE THE MYSTERY RELIGIONS?

Was the New Testament Influenced by Pagan Religions? by Ronald Nash

CRI STATEMENT DB109

The other links were a result of some research I had been doing months ago on cults. In no way do I want anyone to think that I am promoting Mormonism. Please accept my apologies for linking you to that site as if it could be considered to be a Christian apologetics resource.

[pttttt]

Dates are highly significant to terrorists, for anniversaries and other things, and are generally recognized as times of heightened risk.

Here is a web site with dates: http://www.terrorism.com/calendar/Calendar.html. It's the one everyone links to.

That site is pretty extensive, including dates which are probably obscure to most people in the US and not connected with the Middle East. For some reason (unless I missed it), July 4 isn't mentioned as the US national holiday, though it is mentioned in connection with some other obscure events. You'd think there'd be terrorist significance in the great satan's birthday.

[Restorer]

For instance: George Washington's birthday used to have 2 different designations -- one from the Julian Calendar and one from the Gregorian Calendar.

England (and colonies) adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Mobs rioted all over England demanding their lost week(?) back. I'm not sure whether Americans reacted so strongly.

[TwoBear]

One could actually argue that the Easter date calculation itself is a hold over from paganism. The official definition (used to this day is): (Gregorian Easter)

I could have swore that I typed symbol. Do you consider the date a symbol?

[Linda Liberty]

July 4 is also not mentioned as the anniversary of the
Horns of Hattin, making me wonder what use that web site
is, and further calling into question the competence of
our State Department since that calendar was allegedly
compiled from State Department Sources.

[Utopia]

What time did you do this sighting? I can't find anything that matches your description with the lat/long you gave. You're 4 hours off GMT, right?

[sneakers]

Forgive me, Utopia - I'm not very good in geography. If you mean Greenwich time, then I believe we're five hours here.

[j.havenfarm]

"You've got basically 1300 chances for a given date to have had something happen."

Even more than that. Does the date July 4, 1197 in the article refer to Julian or Gregorian reckoning? There are two dates that could claim to be the anniversary of that day.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

Yes, I saw the crescent moon with the planet next to it when I awoke early before 6 a.m. on the east coast. I thought it looked so beautiful. It was in the eastern sky! Then, 911 occurred and I looked at the various flags of nations because I knew that configuration was similar to something... Turns out it is also the config of the flag of Pakistan. And we all know how critical Pakistan became in the immediate days followeing 911. This morning, I awoke to the crescent moon in the eastern sky again; this time, no accompanying planet. But isn't the crescent the symbol of Islam all by iteself? And again, the crescent moon is again lumbering in the east in the a.m.!

[Donna Lee Nardo]

You say "the Christians appealed to Constantine," but Constantine himself was already converted to Christianity at that point. He was a believer and did not act as casually or as disinterested as your statement infers.