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Why July 4 is significant to Islamists
World Net Daily ^ | July 3, 2002 | Mark Robinson

Posted on 07/03/2002 6:09:49 AM PDT by Linda Liberty

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To: CyberSpartacus
. One example is Christmas, Jesus was born in the spring (his dad was in town to pay his taxes which would have been in March.), not during the winter solstice December 25th.

His dad? To whom does the Lord God Almighty pay taxes? Surely you're not being so disrespectful to the Christians on Free Republic as to state that Saint Joseph was Our Lord's biological father.

61 posted on 07/03/2002 9:49:14 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Utopia
In NY, the crescent moon and planet was clearly visible in the eastern sky during the a.m. of Sept. 11, 2001. It may have been visible a day or 2 or so even before that, but I first noticed it when I awoke at about 5:35 a.m. on the morning of 911. It was shining so clearly out my kitchen window as I started making coffee. I thought it looked so pretty. The planet was just as clear right next to the crescent moon, to the right of it. I knew immediatety I had seen the crescent and a star to the right of it in my atlas pages of flags of all nations. But I didn't get around to looking at the atlas to see what nations that config represented until Sept. 12th....I was preoccupied as was the rest of the world to the events of that day.
62 posted on 07/03/2002 10:08:39 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Linda Liberty
Also the shifting of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, to coincide with the holy day of the pagan deity Sol Invictus.
63 posted on 07/03/2002 10:28:28 AM PDT by be131
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
but Constantine himself was already converted to Christianity at that point. He was a believer and did not act as casually or as disinterested as your statement infers.

Actually, there is a lot of doubt about Constantine's "conversion". I've studied many works by many scholars who abolutely insist he did convert, others claim, -- not so fast! I haven't kept up with the latest trend in thinking. But one can certainly say that Constantine was tolerant of Christianity, but he did not grant the Christians their request for a separate feast date. (They had to share December 25 with everyone else.)

64 posted on 07/03/2002 11:40:05 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Trust but Verify
On Sunday, one the "experts" in the endless parade of experts on cable news stated the obvious: "I am unaware of any special significance of the date Sept. 11." His implication was that there is no reason to anticipate a terror attack on July 4 because bin Laden didn't use date significance as a basis for selecting 9-11. Although he was technically accurate, he was pretty far from correct.

Wrong Josephus!

9/11

9 x 11 = the 99 attributes (names) of Allah

And Allah lives, Deep in the heart of Saudi Arabia.

65 posted on 07/03/2002 11:46:18 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
In NY, the crescent moon and planet was clearly visible in the eastern sky during the a.m. of Sept. 11, 2001

Ok, I was looking for a star configuration in the PM with the crescent moon to match sneaker's description - and coming up empty handed. Here's the data for New York city. Without knowing when sneaker looked at the sky, I can't find the star he/she is referring to:

Source: US Naval Observatory

11 September 2001 & Eastern Daylight Time
SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:05 a.m.
Sunrise 6:33 a.m.
Sun transit 12:52 p.m.
Sunset 7:11 p.m.
End civil twilight 7:39 p.m.
MOON
Moonrise 11:42 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 7:22 a.m.
Moonset 3:06 p.m.
Moonrise 12:34 a.m. on following day

66 posted on 07/03/2002 11:59:16 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Utopia
I'm sorry for being so vague. I seem to remember it was about 9:00 on the evening of Sept. 11th. I am located in Indiana, Pennsylvania and I got my coordinates from a geography site: http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer
My zip code is 15701. And I am a SHE.
67 posted on 07/03/2002 12:10:10 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: sneakers
Ok, Well, I've been going crazy. Using the lat/long you gave me, I came up with no moon up in the evening of September 11, 2001 at all. Using the city you've given me, I get the same thing. Are you sure you've got the right day?

Source: US Naval Observatory

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Indiana, Indiana County, Pennsylvania (longitude W79.2, latitude N40.6):

Tuesday 11 September 2001 Eastern Daylight Time
SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:26 a.m.
Sunrise 6:54 a.m.
Sun transit 1:13 p.m.
Sunset 7:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:00 p.m.
MOON
Moonset 2:23 p.m. on preceding day
Moonrise 12:04 a.m.
Moon transit 7:43 a.m.
Moonset 3:27 p.m.
Moonrise 12:56 a.m. on following day

68 posted on 07/03/2002 12:48:06 PM PDT by Utopia
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To: Linda Liberty
The link about the congressional resolution did not say anything about partition of Palestine. It just said that congress endorsed the Balfour Declaration, which called for a Jewish national homeland in Palestine while protecting the rights of the existing Christian and non-jewish communities as well as the holy places.

Partition was done by the U.N. in 1947
69 posted on 07/03/2002 1:24:36 PM PDT by ganesha
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To: ganesha
91/1/17 - Start of Desert Storm. I have always wondered if this is why 02/9/11 was chosen as much as any other reason. If there was a reason for that date. Your reasoning is as good as this or better.
70 posted on 07/03/2002 1:50:48 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Utopia
Yes, I'm sure it's the correct day. I could, however, be wrong about the time. I simply don't remember the time. I just know that it was a clear night. Also, I'm thinking that it's the planet Venus - not a star - although astronomy has never been one of my strong points either, so please forgive me if my guess is wrong. I don't think most stars are that bright when viewed with the naked eye. Johnstown, Pa is only about 30 miles away. Perhaps you can get a better fix by using the longitude/latitude for that town.
71 posted on 07/03/2002 1:52:15 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: sneakers
The only thing I remotely find which *might* be taken for the crescent moon/star combination of the Paskistan flag is Propus, in the Gemini constallation -- but this is really a bit of a stretch, and it it only works at 4:30 am on the morning of the 12th for your lat/long. Another possibility is Geminorum also of the Gemini constallation-- but that's only a factor at 1:30 am on the morning of the 12th.
72 posted on 07/03/2002 2:26:40 PM PDT by Utopia
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To: Utopia
Hey Utopia. Can you perhaps find the info using my NY Long Island location? For sure, it was either a star or a planet next to the crescent moon. Frankly, I thought stars were planets!
73 posted on 07/03/2002 2:34:01 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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