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Fireworks take back seat (New FIRE in Lake Tahoe area)
Tahoe Daily Tribune ^ | 7-4-02 | Greg Crofton, Jeff Munson

Posted on 07/04/2002 4:04:55 PM PDT by petuniasevan

July 4, 2002

Fireworks take back seat

A helicopter approaches the fire, which had grown to more than 200 acres by Wednesday at sunset.
Jim Grant/Tahoe Tribune

By Greg Crofton, Jeff Munson, Tahoe Daily Tribune

A wildfire burning out of control east of Heavenly Ski resort has consumed more than 200 acres and several hundred Upper Kingsbury Grade residents have been evacuated, officials said.

The fire began around 12:40 p.m. just east of Heavenly Gondola Towers 11 and 12. A couple traveling down the gondola reported smoke to the resort.

As of 8:30 p.m. Wednesday, 420 firefighters, eight air tankers, seven helicopters, 50 engines and 12 handcrews were battling the fire.

Officials fear the fire will move over the ridge this morning.

"It's a heavily timbered area. We're well staffed and its maybe 5 percent contained and it's definitely burning out of control," said Maribeth Gustafson, a U.S. Forest Service Lake Tahoe Basin supervisor. "We have a voluntary evacuation that could affect as many as 5000 people."

The fire is well away from Highway 50, the casino corridor and most primary recreation areas, she said.

"It started adjacent to the gondola. We don't know the cause," Gustafson said.

The burning property belongs to Nevada State Parks, U.S. Forest Service and California Tahoe Conservancy District.

Heavenly Ski Resort property is intact except for spot fires burning near Stagecoach and Boulder lifts, said Tim Smith, fire chief at Tahoe-Douglas Fire Protection District.

"This fire is real long, not real wide -- it's really going up the side of a mountain," Smith said. "By midday we'll probably have a better grasp on the size. Hopefully by then, if the weather is favorable, we'll have some containment."

Smoke was visible from Truckee to Reno, some 50 miles away with wind gusts clocked between 20-30 mph.

"The biggest challenge is the wind, fuels, terrain and access," said Kit Bailey, Forest Service fire management officer at the basin.

Tankers, bombers and helicopters dropped red fire retardant and water on the flames, which are spreading by catching on trees and jumping with wind gusts, Bailey said.

The areas of upper Kingsbury Grade, from East Benjamin Drive to the top of Daggett Summit, were evacuated on a voluntary basis.

"There are spot fires right on top of the ridge," Smith said. "The main body of the fire is still below that. But the winds (on the ridge) blow up to 30 mph every night until 11 p.m."

As of press time, the fire is moving away from the Stateline casino corridor in an easterly direction. The Ridge Tahoe and other homes at Upper Kingsbury are threatened, but fire protection is in place, Smith said.

On Wednesday afternoon, Ridge Tahoe employees were out protecting their place of work using the timeshare's foam-fire protection system.

All available fire resources on both the Nevada and California sides were responding, as well as fire protection agencies from the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management and fire agencies throughout the basin, Douglas County, Washoe County and Carson City.

Until around 2 p.m., 110 people on Heavenly's gondola were trapped at the top of the gondola and on the lookout area. They were safely evacuated, said Todd Crawford, El Dorado County Sheriff's Office of Emergency Service coordinator.

Forest Service officials first estimated the fire to cover about 3 acres but said it had spread to 25 acres by mid-afternoon and to 100 acres by 4:30 p.m. and 200-plus by 8:30 p.m.

The fire is a tragedy, said South Lake Tahoe Mayor Brooke Laine. "It's heart- wrenching. What we are looking at, we knew could happen. It's sad to see our worst fears coming true.

"We've got brave people out there; real professionals who know what they are doing," Laine said. "I'm confident they will do their best to keep the community safe. "

An announcement will be made this afternoon as to whether a fireworks show scheduled over Lake Tahoe will go on as planned.

"We will make a decision tomorrow by mid-day," said Tom McKinnon, internal communication manager at Harrah's, which is putting on the event. "It will be up the firefighters, what they are doing and where they are at. Right now we are hoping it will still happen."

Sue Schlerf, interim city manager for South Lake Tahoe said the responsibility of the fire rests with the Forest Service and other agencies.

"It's not our incident. We are providing as many resources as we can to whoever needs it. We are waiting for the latest decisions and will make them with the best information possible," Schlerf said.

The fire is one of the largest in recent memory, Smith said.

"There's no question in my 30 years in the basin this is the largest fire," Smith said. "Next largest I can recall was at Glenbrook in 1980 or 1981. That got to about 100 acres before a snowstorm stopped it."


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: badsign; ca; california; evacuation; fire; forest; gondola; heavenly; incline; kingsburygrade; nevada; nv; outofcontrol; overgrown; resort; sierra; ski; tahoe; tinderdry; wilderness; wildfire
Uh oh. Been there many times. The words "rugged" and "inaccessible" come to mind.

I started covering the Black Hills fire when it was only 700 acres; it's now over 12,000.
I'm afraid this fire will grow even faster. It's a LOT drier than usual.

1 posted on 07/04/2002 4:04:56 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: petuniasevan
bump
2 posted on 07/04/2002 4:07:09 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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July 4, 2002

Firefighters strike against fire


By Lauren Halsted, Tahoe Daily Tribune

STATELINE -- People stood and stared with dropped jaws as they watched their worst nightmare become reality.

"See the flames, see it?" Pancho Garcia said to fellow Stateline Raley's employee Britt Rowland.

Rowland and Garcia watched as the first two fire engines arrived around noon at the staging ground at Park Avenue and Montreal Road in South Lake Tahoe.

"Everyone's been saying it's gonna happen. But not now. Not like this," Rowland said.

"Trees are exploding. Spot fires are jumping. It's out of control," Pat Wetzel said as he watched roaring flames from the bottom of Kingsbury Grade.

Wetzel, who has lived at Tahoe every summer for the past 49 years, saw the first plume of smoke as he drove across town earlier in the day.

He said he has never seen anything like this in Tahoe, not this close.

State troopers were conducting traffic at the bottom of Kingsbury while the evacuation took place.

Tahoe-Douglas Fire Protection District organized a staging ground at the bottom of the grade.

"Our biggest concern right now is structures," Assistant Chief Bruce VanCleemput said at around 4 p.m.

Six strike teams, which consist of five engines and a leader, prepared for action. Their goal was to protect the structures off Kingsbury, which were at the greatest risk.

A strike team is a specifically designed unit designated to fulfill a targeted task. It stays together at all times, and is deployed in a specific location.

The teams used to fight the Gondola fire will leap-frog up the hill as needed. Fires of this nature usually spread fast, from tree-top to tree-top, and generally pass over houses, fire officials reported.

However, the strike teams will be at the scene to put out any sparks that land on roofs.

Southwest Gas had two representatives, who would not give their names, standing by in case the gas to houses needed to be turned off. They hoped it wouldn't come to that, but added it didn't look good.

A strike team staging ground was also set up at the Stateline Raley's parking lot.

The California Department of Fire Nevada Yuba Placer unit from Truckee organized a type three strike team at this location.

Type one is the highest, with water tank size and equipment determining different levels, CDF firefighter Tyler Martin said. Each type of strike team has five engines and a leader.

The commander of the unit recently returned from fighting the fires in Arizona. He was not available for comment.

Crowds of stunned people filled the parking lot. Most sat in silence and watched as disaster struck too close to home.

Each time a helicopter loaded with water flew overhead, Raley's employee April Kirkhuff whispered "thank you" with a hint of sadness in her eyes. When asked if she has ever seen anything like this, Kirkhuff, a 23-year resident, said "Not here. Not in Tahoe."

3 posted on 07/04/2002 4:07:59 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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July 4, 2002

Neighbors watch flames move in


By Susan Wood, Tahoe Daily Tribune

Saddle Road-area residents watched in vain Wednesday as a huge plume of smoke and dancing flames rising across the ridge under the Heavenly Ski Resort Gondola edged closer to their homes.

The fire, called in by a CalStar air team, started at 12:30 p.m. on newly acquired California Tahoe Conservancy property, prompting traffic jams at the height of the July 4th holiday traffic period coming into Tahoe.

The smoke could be seen as far away as Reno.

"I'm packed and ready to go," said Jack Keller, who lives on Saddle Road.

His neighborhood was bustling with activity as South Lake Tahoe Police and California Department of Forestry units kept an eye on shifting winds that at times appeared to carry the growing fire southwest.

Cmdr. Tom Conner instructed the onlookers to prepare to evacuate if asked.

"As soon as it hits that gondola line, everybody's out of there," Conner said.

The units were braced to hold the line and back up fire departments that went up the throat of the fire from Park and Montreal avenues.

Linda Pounds, who lives off Sterling Court, said she saw the smoke from lake level and came home to watch its progress at the corner of Adams Way and Saddle Road.

"I thought, 'Gee, this is sort of close to home,'" Pounds said.

Jeff Mueller had three homes to consider and used the hoses to water down the patios.

What's his plan if fire approached the homes?

"To run," he said. "One (of the homeowners) left a $65,000 Range Rover in the garage and fortunately left the keys," Mueller said.

Residents and tourists lining the streets in their cars and on foot appeared mesmerized by the sight from Ski Run Boulevard to Crescent V Shopping Center.

Some people were even taking pictures of officers diverting traffic

4 posted on 07/04/2002 4:09:51 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: petuniasevan
Just a reminder that California would be a parched desert this year without water from the Colorado river. Both LA and San Diego had all time lows of rainfall in the last 12 months in over 150 years of record keeping.

LA itself was 10% below the record. Math wizards will come up with the odds of that, but with 150 years of data, coming 10% lower than any point ever spells big danger. It is going to be one of the worst fire seasons in modern memory, and it is just starting.

5 posted on 07/04/2002 4:13:05 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: petuniasevan
It's been a while since I've been to Tahoe and I'm not a skier. Is this east of the lake and casinos or north?
6 posted on 07/04/2002 4:15:20 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: dogbyte12
Not just that (and I'm a Southern California native - I understand all too well - ) but the heavy UNREGULATED forest growth is tinder now.

Ah, the enviral utopia: No roads, no logging, no clearing brush...NOW NO TREES, tree-hugging idiots!

They'll get their wish for no people to live among their sacred trees. Nothing else will either. Trees included.
7 posted on 07/04/2002 4:18:28 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: goldenstategirl
South Side toward US 50 and the Kingsbury Grade. Heavenly Valley Ski Resort area.


8 posted on 07/04/2002 4:22:32 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: petuniasevan; Carry_Okie
Ouch. That's awfully close to populated areas.
9 posted on 07/04/2002 4:26:29 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: petuniasevan
Local reports are saying that the fire is 60% contained. Being a local I can say, "We have the best EMS and Fire Crews around".
10 posted on 07/04/2002 4:28:07 PM PDT by In Search of Freedom
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To: madfly
Seen this?
11 posted on 07/04/2002 4:33:17 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: petuniasevan
As of this morning there were 20 arson fires set on the Hoopa Valley Reservation in the last two days, one of them at 200 acres. There are 20 or more fires set along hiway 96 every year and because of this the fires rarely grow too big. I have no new news to report on these fires at this time. This area is in Humboldt county.
12 posted on 07/04/2002 4:33:55 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: petuniasevan
My family and I stayed at upper Kingsbury just 3 weeks ago--we're members of Perennial Vacation Club which is headquartered there. Beautiful spot. I hope this fire is contained soon!
13 posted on 07/04/2002 5:02:20 PM PDT by HopeSprings
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To: In Search of Freedom
I lived in Lake Tahoe for 12 years and worked at Heavenly for 4.5 years and know the area like the back of my hand.
Can you pin-point more exactly where the fire is? Is it comming up the old chair line southeast of The Ridge Tahoe?
The whole basin has been a tinder box since the early 80's.
14 posted on 07/04/2002 5:02:25 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: petuniasevan; Carry_Okie; Phil V.; farmfriend; snopercod; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave
"Ah, the enviral utopia: No roads, no logging, no clearing brush...NOW NO TREES, tree-hugging idiots!"

Well stated!!!

Mark Twain once wrote about his stay in the Tahoe Basin. The campfire got caught up in wind gusts and spread to the forest and began to circle the lake. It burned so hot they had to get on boats and go out in the lake due to the intense heat!!!

Others tell how in the days that Virginia City and Carson City were being built with trees from the west shore that were floated across the lake, that the lake was so filled with slash and crud that you could almost walk on the water!

I guess Tahoe wasn't so blue in those days, nor of such pristine clarity, either! Now multi-levels of governments squander multi-millions each year on erosion control projects to mitigate for all the despicable development! Now the fires will dwarf all the erosion from development!!!

The Tahoe Regional Planning Agency and all the militant EnvironMentalists whose only solution to sprawl is suffocation by heavy handed governmental mandate will see Mother Nature wipe out much of their expensive and expansive efforts.

My question to them is: How do you suppose all the developable semi-level or gently sloping land in the basin got there in the first place? (Can you dummys say erosion?)

And my other question is: What do superhot fires that bake the ground like ceramic cause the following rainey winter? (Can you dummys say hyper-erosion?)

And my last question is: What makes these fires superhot? (Can you dummys say ladder fuels and choking underbrush caused by your stupid governmentally enforced policies for the last 40 years?)

Yes, and to all you NIMBY Urban Refugees that support EnvironMentalist thinking they're protecting "Your (New) Back Yard," I can ask these pointed questions because Lake Tahoe, the jewel of the Sierra is SierraWasp's BACK YARD!!!

15 posted on 07/04/2002 5:06:43 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: petuniasevan
Channel 3 in Sacramento just reported big sighs of relief. The airel attack has really knocked this fire down. It's burned 750 acres and I missed the percentage of containment in the report. They are saying the fireworks will probably go on as planned.

I just hope they don't get an ugly surprise with high winds whipping it back up again!

16 posted on 07/04/2002 5:14:56 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: petuniasevan
Ah, the enviral utopia: No roads, no logging, no clearing brush...

Whereas your observations are generally true, the Tahoe basin is an exception. The area has been under a clearing and controlled burn program for several years now. As for "no-road" problems- this area is fairly well criss-crossed with roads- BUT - the terrain is steep and rugged.

The area is in better shape than most, but still . . .

BTW - the fire is virtually OUT NOW - a few hot spots, but essentially OUT!

17 posted on 07/04/2002 5:20:49 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: SierraWasp
Remember last year's fire up in the Hell Hole area? . . . The enviros are having a S*&t fit over the salvage logging that's going on. The enviros want all the dead trees to stay as fuel for the next forrest and the next fire.

A$$ HOLES!!!

18 posted on 07/04/2002 5:28:47 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Hadn't been there in years. Didn't know the fire suppression was at all decent. Guess when the super-rich liberal elites have THEIR summer homes in a fire-prone area, all that "no-roads, no-cut" stuff goes right out the window.


Glad to hear they jumped on it and have it controlled.
I lived north of Chico (Butte/Tehama county border) back in 1990 and I remember the consequence of slow response to a brush fire...131,000 acres burned, and some homes and cabins were lost.
19 posted on 07/04/2002 5:57:56 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: Phil V.
Ahhhhh, yes. Take your soul to the Hole! I love it up there.
20 posted on 07/04/2002 6:06:05 PM PDT by WSGilcrest
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To: petuniasevan
Guess when the super-rich liberal elites have THEIR summer homes in a fire-prone area, . . .

BINGO!!! . . . surprise, surprise, surprise . . .

21 posted on 07/04/2002 6:32:52 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: WSGilcrest
Take your soul to the Hole! I love it up there.

One of my uncles used to summer range cattle west of HellHole and north of the Rubicon as far west as Nevada Point. I've helped him in the fall round-up and drive out to Georgetown . . . AHHH, the good old days!

22 posted on 07/04/2002 6:39:12 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: backhoe
thanks for the ping. More scorched species to document.
23 posted on 07/04/2002 6:42:12 PM PDT by madfly
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To: SierraWasp
I hope the worst is over where you are.
24 posted on 07/04/2002 6:44:39 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Free the USA; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Libertarianize the GOP; Stand Watch Listen; freefly; expose; ...
ping
25 posted on 07/04/2002 6:51:13 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Phil V.
Yeah, I told you about the massive buzzard migration the Mrs. and I watch coming out of there last summer, didn't I?

Funny thing was, they came down the canyon from Hellhole, then turned southeast right over our house and head toward your place!!!

They musta ate their fill of barbequed wildlife and Bacchi's heffers before they headed your way.

By the way, That thinning and clearing of the Tahoe forests has only made a small dent in the total job that's needed.

Plus, blithering Boxer is legislating a massive expansion of the desolation wilderness just south of Tahoe, to make it roadless and off limits to ANY motorized vehicles! You better be payin attention. The puny public hearings on it are a staged joke that ain't very funny whatsoever!!!

26 posted on 07/04/2002 7:15:58 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
Ten four!

Boxer - "The Roadless Traveled" byebye Caples lake etc.

27 posted on 07/04/2002 7:20:59 PM PDT by Phil V.
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To: madfly
Well, I didn't mean to mislead you with my "backyard" comment. It's just that NIMBY stands for Not In My Back Yard and even though the Tahoe Basin is just over the summit to the east of me, it's in the same county I'm in and feels like my back yard.

On the news, it showed the gamblers and tourists keeping right on with their fun with just an occasional glance at the fire scene. The newscaster was trying to make it sound like the cancellation of fireworks would be the real tragedy! Amazing!!!

28 posted on 07/04/2002 7:23:28 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: petuniasevan
Ah, the enviral utopia: No roads, no logging, no clearing brush...NOW NO TREES, tree-hugging idiots!

Here we go again. Day after day, week after week, the no-touching policy of the ENVIROS is destroying everything they claim to hold sacred.

What a bunch of frigging hipocrites.

29 posted on 07/04/2002 7:25:02 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Phil V.
"What a bunch of frigging hipocrites."

I'd say Bob nailed it! Wouldn't you Phil?

Caples... yup, there goes your/our water supply! I hear the soil crackin while raftin profits keep goin Ka Ching!

30 posted on 07/04/2002 7:30:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: petuniasevan
Wireworks display Take a look at this page. You can make your own fireworks show.
31 posted on 07/04/2002 7:46:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: madfly
Until our forests are managed, there should be no fireworks. Futhermore, there are so many children burn victims, I do not think that is how our forefarthers wanted us to celebrate the 4th. I am not advocating a law, but a rethinking of how we celebrate this holiday.
32 posted on 07/04/2002 7:58:32 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: madfly
ping
33 posted on 07/04/2002 8:22:06 PM PDT by mafree
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To: petuniasevan; SierraWasp; madfly; Phil V.
The burning property belongs to Nevada State Parks, U.S. Forest Service and California Tahoe Conservancy District.

Heavenly Ski Resort property is intact except for spot fires burning near Stagecoach and Boulder lifts, said Tim Smith, fire chief at Tahoe-Douglas Fire Protection District.

Big surprise there. The National stuff burns, the private stuff doesn't.

34 posted on 07/04/2002 8:34:00 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
35 posted on 07/04/2002 9:18:29 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: farmfriend
The National stuff burns, the private stuff doesn't

A note on the Collins Almanor Forest Company's losses in that 1990 fire:

Bitter End Fire
Of the Approximately 900 acres burned, 600 were timbered. The 1990 Bitter End burn was part of the larger Campbell Fire, which burned 131,000 acres in Tehama County in 1990. Except for a few heavily burned areas, most of the impacted CAF lands received a light burn. Only 245 thousand board feet of timber needed salvaging in 1990.

36 posted on 07/04/2002 10:20:21 PM PDT by petuniasevan
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To: petuniasevan
Thanks for the link. Kind of proves my point doesn't it. This one phrase caught my attention.

Fortunately for CAF, only 2,209 acres of CAF ownership was affected, the remaining acreage is owned primarily by the Lassen National Forest.

My dad worked on the Lassen National from '73-'77.

37 posted on 07/04/2002 10:45:52 PM PDT by farmfriend
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To: petuniasevan
New FIRE in Lake Tahoe area

Were any Forest Service employees seen hurriedly leaving the area?

38 posted on 07/04/2002 11:44:17 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!
39 posted on 07/05/2002 3:18:56 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: madfly
Heavenly Father

Please provide relief for the people and land from these fires. Help these people to be strong and know it's not Your Will that these fires destroy what they have built up.

Help them see that we are subject to nature and mans failures.

Let them know that they are not alone, that many across this country pray for them.

Please answer our Prayers.

In Jesus Name Amen

40 posted on 07/05/2002 4:30:52 AM PDT by Eustace
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To: SierraWasp
As I understand it, the El Dorado forests are riddled with sick and dead trees from a blight of some kind. Got that from a friend who was in the now-dead Kalifornia logging industry.

BTW, your water sells for a much higher price in SoCal. Suck it up, people of NoCal.</sarcasm

I grew up in Placerville, back in good 'ol days when the local sawmills were running full steam, and the Southern Pacific railroad ran through town carrying lumber a'plenty. Now it's just the occasional logging-truck loaded with cedar. So sad, I loved El Dorado county, but it's not my home anymore. It's rapidly filling up with envirosexuals from the GayBay, and other perfumed elites.

41 posted on 07/05/2002 6:50:44 AM PDT by thescourged1
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To: thescourged1
"It's rapidly filling up with envirosexuals from the GayBay, and other perfumed elites."

And they are loving it to death!!!

42 posted on 07/05/2002 7:25:51 AM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: madfly
I lived in Stateline the Spring and Summer of '51...sigh...
43 posted on 07/05/2002 8:28:19 AM PDT by blackie
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