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'ENVIRONMENTAL TERRORISM': Western Governors, Bush Decry Fire Fiasco
NewsMax.com Wires and NewsMax.com ^ | June 26, 2002 | United Press International

Posted on 07/05/2002 10:22:20 AM PDT by madfly


Wednesday, June 26, 2002
NewsMax.com - PHOENIX – Self-described "environmentalists" have opposed forest management programs that could have prevented wildfires such as those burning thousands of acres in Arizona and Colorado, the new chairman of the Western Governors Association said Tuesday.

President Bush also made a mocking reference Tuesday to the extremist so-called Greens, who would better be dubbed Grays, in "honor" of the ashen color of the land where pine forests once thrived.

Speaking to reporters after an association meeting, Gov. Judy Martz, R-Mont., said as incoming chairman, her priority would be reducing the threat of wildfires to communities and the environment.

"Regardless of our political and philosophical differences, it's imperative that we all join together to act responsibly in preserving forest health, to protect families, wildlife, fisheries, our ecosystem and our economies," Martz said.

Responding to a reporter's question, the Montana Republican said she was shaken by the thousands of people fleeing their homes in eastern Arizona because of a 331,000-acre wildfire. Better management policies are needed in the nation's forests, she said.

'Environmental Terrorism'

"The environment needs to be taken care of," she said. "When I see people running from their homes going to a shelter and now being there, some of them, over a week, I call this environmental terrorism, and it's a terrorism that we have not managed the forest well enough.

"These people who want to object need to come to the table. There's got to be some balance."

Asked later if she meant self-styled environmental activists had contributed to the wildfire threat in the West, Martz said their appeals had delayed action on forest cleanup programs.

"This is caused by many years of appeals, and the appeals do not come from the ones that want to have forest health, so the answer to the question is quite obvious," she said.

Martz was asked if her answer meant she was blaming them.

Wackos 'Played a Great Role in Stopping Forest Health'

"In my eyes, they played a great role in stopping forest health, but I don't call them terrorists. Our environment is in a terrorism mode right now, but I do not call those people terrorists. I make that quite clear."

Arizona Gov. Jane Hull said Sunday, "Mother Nature is saying to Arizona, to the West, that we have to clean up these forests. I hope the message gets across that we need to clean these forests."

She said: "The policies that are coming from the East Coast, that are coming from the environmentalists, that say we don't need to log, we don't need to thin our forests, are absolutely ridiculous. Nobody on the East Coast knows how to manage these fires and I for one have had it."

Fox News Channel reported this week that the area around devasted Show Low, Ariz., once had many lumber mills, all shuttered now, the jobs they provided all gone, thanks to lawsuits by "environmentalists."

Show Low resident Marc Ridenour, forced to leave his home because of the fires, is furious at the groups of leftists that describe themselves as "environmental."

'Architects of This Catastrophe'

"They helped set the stage for this," he told the Associated Press. "Spotted-owl huggers were the grand architects of this catastrophe."

Craig Gehrke, described by the Associated Press as a "forest expert" with Wilderness Society, seemed to have little sympathy for those whose lives were devastated by the fires.

Tough Luck

"They're kidding themselves if they think they can control all the forces in the forest," he said. "In drought years, forests are going to burn."

Earlier this week, a spokesman for Sierra Club claimed that the conservation group had never opposed prescribed burns, one of the common methods used to control undergrowth. Sean Cosgrove said the group did favor other methods to reduce wildland fire danger.

Cosgrove endorsed programs such as the Forest Service's Firewise program, which is intended to educate and assist the increasing numbers of people moving to the country about how to safeguard their homes.

Not that those programs do much good when huge fires are consuming thousands of acres.

Jim Cundiff, 52, was waiting to find out if flames had wiped out his home in Linden.

'No More Trees to Hug'

"There's a fairly well-meaning but totally ignorant group of people in this community who think you can manage the environment in a hands-off manner, but these people don't live out here," he said. "Don't come up here in designer clothes and an SUV and tell me you love the woods. There's no more trees to hug."

The president, on his way to a Canadian meeting of world leaders, went thousands of miles out of his way Tuesday to visit the site of the Arizona fires. The mainstream media are calling it "his first visit as president to the site of a NATURAL disaster," though human neglect, especially lawsuits by "environmentalists," contributed to the fiasco.

A Needed Change: 'Wise Forest Policy'

"Listen, we got a lot of work to do to make sure the Forest Service has got wise forest policy, to make sure, to maintain the forests so that they're healthy and viable and not become kindling boxes," Bush emphasized to cheers as he addressed residents at Round Valley High School in Eagar.

However, Joe Allbaugh, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, evaded a reporter's question about thinning the forests to reduce the threat of disastrous fires.

'Experts'

"Leave forest management to the experts," the FEMA director said, presumably with a straight face.

At the Phoenix meeting, the Western governors discussed the destructive and early wildfire season and their campaign to implement a 10-year strategy to improve forest health. The governors and the secretaries of agriculture and interior signed the agreement last month in an Idaho ceremony.

At the news conference, Gov. Dirk Kempthorne, R-Idaho, said some environmental groups joined with state, federal and tribal governments in developing the 10-year management plan.

'Look at Prevention'

"The key is not to always be looking at suppression, but to look at prevention," he said. "With the 10-year plan that we signed in Idaho City, Idaho, we have a path forward reducing the fuel load so we won't have to see these sort of infernos taking place in all of our states."

Federal funding for programs to remove forest undergrowth have been increased since a destructive wildfire burned more than 200 homes at Los Alamos, N.M., two years ago. Yet critics contend that appeals and lawsuits lodged by self-described environmentalists have slowed implementation and fueled disaster.

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Colorado; US: New Mexico; US: Utah; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: arizona; california; ecoterrorism; enviralists; environmentalists; esa; firestorms; forestmanagement; janehull; landgrab; mothernature; showlow; sierraclub; terrorwar; westerngovernors; wildlifekilled
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House Resource Committee hearing on Forest Health to be heald on July 11th.
1 posted on 07/05/2002 10:22:20 AM PDT by madfly
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2 posted on 07/05/2002 10:23:34 AM PDT by madfly
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To: *Enviralists
Index Bump
3 posted on 07/05/2002 10:27:41 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: madfly
Horrible price to pay to get the truth out.
4 posted on 07/05/2002 10:29:28 AM PDT by Jackie222
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To: madfly
I have been saying this for the last two years.

The next form of domestic terrorism will come from the environmentalists, the anti-abortionists, and the PETA groups.

And they will use violence to get what they want.

5 posted on 07/05/2002 10:30:46 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: madfly
Camping is being banned all over the place because of the fire danger. The Forest Service employees should be banned. They're the ones who are starting the fires.
6 posted on 07/05/2002 10:31:37 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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7 posted on 07/05/2002 10:34:58 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
Thank you Governor Martz!

Finally we have a governor with the guts to stand up against Club Sierra and other enviralists and label them as terrorists. I have been calling them Enviral Terrorists for years. Now that term is being used by more and more people!

The good governor's comments in this thread!

'Environmental Terrorism'

"The environment needs to be taken care of," she said. "When I see people running from their homes going to a shelter and now being there, some of them, over a week, I call this environmental terrorism, and it's a terrorism that we have not managed the forest well enough.

"These people who want to object need to come to the table. There's got to be some balance."

Asked later if she meant self-styled environmental activists had contributed to the wildfire threat in the West, Martz said their appeals had delayed action on forest cleanup programs.

"This is caused by many years of appeals, and the appeals do not come from the ones that want to have forest health, so the answer to the question is quite obvious," she said.

Thank you Madfly! As I replied to you on another thread it is time to make these Enviral Nazi Terrorists from hell as popular as other Nazis in America. It is time for conservative Americans to rip off the phoney cloak of respectability off these Enviral Terrorists so the rest of America can see how evil and dangerous these Enviral terrorists are to the rest of us!

8 posted on 07/05/2002 10:35:43 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Pistolshot
anti-abortionists?
9 posted on 07/05/2002 10:37:13 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: madfly; All
Please go to this thread for another example of enviral terrorism. This time to restrict harvesting of new natural gas sources in Wyoming: (link to more enviral nazism against your and your family)
10 posted on 07/05/2002 10:43:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly
My predicition:

1. Big story for next two weeks.

2. Congress holds hearings.

3. Nothing is done since we in the West have little or no political power.

4. The next big fire is so out of control that even the Nat Guard won't help.

Sigh...same old crap.

Who really thinks anything will change?

11 posted on 07/05/2002 10:45:43 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Grampa Dave
Well the timing of the Rodeo-Chedeski fire was good in that
Hull was hosting a 3-day Western Governors' Conference in Phoenix at the time. The 2 days prior, she hosted a Border Governors' conference with Mexican guvnahs from border states. So Arizona had plenty of officials from the West here, just and hour and a half away from a 325,000 sq mile fire that was 0% contained at that time.

She left the conference to visit the fire site and returned to the Conference to report the devastation to the other gubnahs. Whatever their agenda was, took a back seat to this tragic environmental crime.


12 posted on 07/05/2002 10:46:33 AM PDT by madfly
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To: GrandmaPatriot
Sorry..."Right-to-Lifers" ok with you?

And no, I do not support abortion and expect for Roe v. Wade to be overturned and states to decide what should and should not happen.

13 posted on 07/05/2002 10:46:46 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
14 posted on 07/05/2002 10:46:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: mad_as_he$$
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Contact: Marnie Funk (Marnie.Funk@mail.house.gov) / Tracey
Lynn Shifflett (Tracey.Shifflett@mail.house.gov)
(202) 226-9019

July 3, 2002

 

Forest Subcommittee Announces July 11 Oversight Hearing on Cost, Causes and Implications of 2002 Wildfire Season
Will include forthright analysis of pros/cons of aggressive forest management

Washington, D.C. - The Forest & Forest Health Subcommittee will hold an oversight hearing on Thursday, July 11 at 10 a.m. in Room 1334 Longworth HOB on “Wildfire on the National Forest: An update on the 2002 Wildland Fire Season.”

Witnesses from the Interior and Agriculture departments are expected to testify regarding the nearly $400 million spent year-to-date on fire suppression. Scientists from Colorado and Arizona will be invited to testify regarding the explosive nature of this year’s fires and the available options for forest management.

Statement from Chairman James V. Hansen:

“We’re less than halfway through the summer and already the Administration has spent nearly every firefighting dollar it has on the fires in Arizona and Colorado. Meanwhile, five large, new fires have broken out in just the last 24 hours in Colorado, California, Wyoming and Utah. We’re out of money. Homes are threatened and lives are in jeopardy in some part of virtually every western state. This crisis will only get worse between now and autumn.”

Statement from Forest & Forest Health Chairman Scott McInnis:

"For those who have doubted or downplayed the seriousness of the wildfire epidemic on our national forests, this summer has been a rude awakening. 2002 is well on its way to becoming among the most destructive wildfire
seasons in American history. And if this fire season has taught us anything, it is that our attempts to reduce the threat of catastrophic wildfire on the national forests are falling woefully short.

"My goals for the hearing are three-fold: find out what additional resources the government needs this year to protect the many western communities in the crosshairs of wildfire, begin the process of separating the junk-science from the real-science when it comes to managing our national forests, and press policymakers and scientist to find out what it's going to take to get out ahead of this crisis in the long-term."

Hansen is retiring. He is chairman and he's the one who went before Congress last year to decry the eco-nuts and their lawsuits.

Quick Listing of Committee Member Names

U.S. House of Representatives
Committee on Resources
1324 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-6201

107th Congress

The links will open the Member's home page in a separate browser window.

Republicans (28)
  1. JAMES V. HANSEN, Utah 1st , Chairman
  2. DON YOUNG, Alaska At Large , Vice-Chairman
  3. W.J. (BILLY) TAUZIN, Louisiana 3rd
  4. JIM SAXTON, New Jersey 3rd
  5. ELTON GALLEGLY, California 23rd
  6. JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee 2nd
  7. JOEL HEFLEY, Colorado 5th
  8. WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland 1st
  9. KEN CALVERT, California 43rd
  10. SCOTT McINNIS, Colorado 3rd
  11. RICHARD W. POMBO, California 11th
  12. BARBARA CUBIN, Wyoming At Large
  13. GEORGE P. RADANOVICH, California 19th
  14. WALTER B. JONES, Jr., North Carolina 3rd
  15. MAC THORNBERRY, Texas 13th
  16. CHRIS CANNON, Utah 3rd
  17. JOHN E. PETERSON, Pennsylvania 5th
  18. BOB SCHAFFER, Colorado 4th
  19. JIM GIBBONS, Nevada 2nd
  20. MARK SOUDER, Indiana 4th
  21. GREG WALDEN, Oregon 2nd
  22. MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho 2nd
  23. THOMAS G. TANCREDO, Colorado 6th
  24. J.D HAYWORTH, Arizona 6th
  25. C.L. (Butch) OTTER, Idaho 1st
  26. TOM OSBORNE, Nebraska 3rd
  27. JEFF FLAKE, Arizona 1st
  28. DENNIS R. REHBERG, Montana At Large
Democrats (24)
  1. NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia 3rd , Ranking Democrat
  2. GEORGE MILLER, California 7th
  3. EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts 7th
  4. DALE E. KILDEE, Michigan 9th
  5. PETER A. DEFAZIO, Oregon 4th
  6. ENI F.H. FALEOMAVAEGA, American Samoa Delegate
  7. NEIL ABERCROMBIE, Hawaii 1st
  8. SOLOMON P. ORTIZ, Texas 27th
  9. FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey 6th
  10. CALVIN M. DOOLEY, California 20th
  11. ROBERT A. UNDERWOOD, Guam Delegate
  12. ADAM SMITH, Washington 9th
  13. DONNA M. CHRISTENSEN, Virgin Islands Delegate
  14. RON KIND, Wisconsin 3rd
  15. JAY INSLEE, Washington 1st
  16. GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California 34th
  17. TOM UDALL, New Mexico3rd
  18. MARK UDALL, Colorado 2nd
  19. RUSH D. HOLT, New Jersey 12th
  20. JAMES P. MCGOVERN, Massachusetts 3rd
  21. ANIBAL ACEVEDO-VILA, Puerto Rico Resident Commissioner
  22. HILDA L. SOLIS, California 31st
  23. BRAD CARSON, Oklahoma 2nd
  24. BETTY MCCOLLUM, Minnesota 4th


Email, Fax, Phone or Mail the Republicans on this Committee between now and July 11th!!!
15 posted on 07/05/2002 10:53:09 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
A "Wise Forestry Policy" would be to get the government out of the forestry business.
16 posted on 07/05/2002 10:55:34 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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17 posted on 07/05/2002 10:58:24 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Carry_Okie
You've got my vote!
18 posted on 07/05/2002 11:01:59 AM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
At the news conference, Gov. Dirk Kempthorne, R-Idaho, said some environmental groups joined with state, federal and tribal governments in developing the 10-year management plan.

Thats it!!!

These environmental groups are COMMUNISTS! China under Mao had these 10 year programs.

19 posted on 07/05/2002 11:03:57 AM PDT by Frohickey
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To: Carry_Okie
"A "Wise Forestry Policy" would be to get the [Federal] government out of the forestry business."

Devolve ownership and responsibility for our Federally-owned lands to the States and Localities...let the hometown folks make the decisions and we're much more likely to get a Common Sense approach.

FReegards...MUD

20 posted on 07/05/2002 11:05:51 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
No Mud, I would go further. No government ownership. Privatize it all. There is a better way to resolve interdependent community issues and competing risks in land use that starts with civic respect for private property rights.
21 posted on 07/05/2002 11:10:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: madfly
BTTT!!!!!
22 posted on 07/05/2002 11:19:31 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Carry_Okie
"No government ownership. Privatize it all."

That'd be my ultimate goal as well, but a first step in that process would be to get the control of this Land outta DeeCee...it's absolutely appalling what the Feds have gobbled up over the last decade!! Let Utah citizens be primarily responsible for Utah lands, at least then we might find a way to fire someone the next time we have a catastrophe like these fires!!

FReegards...MUD

23 posted on 07/05/2002 11:22:24 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
"No government ownership. Privatize it all."

That'd be my ultimate goal as well, but a first step in that process would be to get the control of this Land outta DeeCee...it's absolutely appalling what the Feds have gobbled up over the last decade!! Let Utah citizens be primarily responsible for Utah lands, at least then we might find a way to fire someone the next time we have a catastrophe like these fires!!

FReegards...MUD

Yep, incrememntalism got us to this point of ineptitude/incompetence, incrementalism can get us out.

24 posted on 07/05/2002 11:33:06 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Pistolshot
So, am I a "terrorist anti-abortionist" or a "right to lifer"?
25 posted on 07/05/2002 11:39:34 AM PDT by thepitts
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To: Mudboy Slim
You do realize that the first thing that would happen is that the liberals in Salt Lake, Snowmass, Park City, etc. would organize to call the shots on forest management everywhere else in the State?

Around here, if it were left up to the locals it would be illegal to ever cut another tree without an outrageously expensive permit. In the next County, (Santa Clara) they have a $5,000 fine for "adverse pruning."

There is a better way to implement privatization. I've got that plan too.
26 posted on 07/05/2002 11:42:01 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: hattend
You can't "incrementalize" from the top down. The States don't have the power to do it. Look at what happened with SB-1 in New Mexico.

Nope, an incremental plan starts with the private property owner. Both Constitutionally and environmentally, it is the strongest position from which to operate. The only trick is to get standing in the court. I've got that figured out too.
27 posted on 07/05/2002 11:45:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I think both of our ideas have problems. Unless the entire west burns to the bare earth and hundreds of thousands of people start getting pissed off, you won't see the feds privatizing vast tracts of land, either. It took them so long to get them.

Just talking to my friends and family still left in the PRC, unless they see the flames licking at their homes, they don't care. "California burns every year" is a common reply. They don't care that blame for these holocausts ("fires" isn't an apt description) can be placed at the feet of govermental agencies who have been poisoned by envirals within and their environmental policies of the last couple of decades

I think you, me and Mudboy have our work cut out for us.

28 posted on 07/05/2002 12:17:54 PM PDT by hattend
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To: hattend
You don't start with vast tracts. You start with single individuals on several legal fronts, and VERY quietly. Get the precedent in place and replicate. That happens faster than one might think considering how long it would take to get the contracts for forest thinning in place through the Federal bureaucracy and the courts.

Remember: ownership is equivalent to control of use. Whether the Feds own it or not, this battle is about who controls how the land is managed. I argue (and can probably prove) that the agencies of government operate with motives that are structurally adverse to their respective mandates. OTOH there are individuals whose motives can be coaligned with the collective claim, and it starts with private enterprise.

Finally, you only have a few clues what my ideas are. Perhaps you shouldn't prejudge them until you have read the book.

29 posted on 07/05/2002 12:29:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Free the USA; madfly
Sonaffagun, I'd forgotten all about this banner I had saved:

Enviralists:

To find all articles tagged or indexed using Enviralists, click below:
  click here >>> Enviralists <<< click here  
(To view all FR Bump Lists, click here)

While I still think a new category- burn_baby_burn, fire_storm, or forest_mismanage would be preferrable, this will serve for now.

30 posted on 07/05/2002 12:30:24 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: madfly
Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

31 posted on 07/05/2002 12:34:55 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
The people who lost their homes in these fires should file class-action lawsuits against the "green" organizations, such as the Sierra Club, that are responsible for this destruction. That would generate some well-deserved negative publicity for these so-called environmental groups, tie them up in court and perhaps get a large chunk of money out of their hands.

My two cents.

32 posted on 07/05/2002 12:46:46 PM PDT by Schatze
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To: Schatze
The problem is that the Bent one signed an Executive Order banning suits against the enviral nazis and their druid priests pretending to be foresters.

Hopefully President Bush will sign an XO repealing this one.

I'm in total agreement with. When these enviral nazis are dragged into civil court and sued for all that they and their organization own, this will stop this bs. Also, any enviral card carrying judge must recuse him/her self or be up for impeachment charges.

33 posted on 07/05/2002 12:52:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: backhoe
Thanks for the banner, you can always get creative and add a couple of keywords.
34 posted on 07/05/2002 1:45:09 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Grampa Dave
The Bent one ... I wish he'd get bent.

I didn't know he'd signed an Executive Order to that effect, but it figures. The damage Bill and Hill have done to the United States is incalculable.

Surely there must be a smart lawyer out there who can find a way around Bill's 11th-hour shenanigans.

35 posted on 07/05/2002 2:01:30 PM PDT by Schatze
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To: madfly
nothing will change till the government sells the forests. Gov't is incapable of managing anything.
36 posted on 07/05/2002 2:17:14 PM PDT by monday
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To: madfly
I've already contacted my reps, but I know that they are madder than heck and not going to take it anymore. As I posted on another thread, the greenies days are numbered after these horrific forest fires.
37 posted on 07/05/2002 2:33:37 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: Pistolshot
Don't know about the other groups you mentioned, but after Islamic terrorists, I consider the watermelons the most dangerous people in this country - even if they never pick up a weapon.
38 posted on 07/05/2002 2:36:35 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: Grampa Dave; SierraWasp
It is time for conservative Americans to rip off the phoney cloak of respectability off these Enviral Terrorists so the rest of America can see how evil and dangerous these Enviral terrorists are to the rest of us!

I think the forest fires that recently ravaged AZ and CO pretty well ripped their britches off and bit them in the butt.

39 posted on 07/05/2002 2:40:03 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: madfly
bump
40 posted on 07/05/2002 2:49:57 PM PDT by mafree
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To: madfly
Ever wonder why the cost of plywood&2 by 4's keep going up?I say,"LOG EM AND BURN EM"!
41 posted on 07/05/2002 2:58:05 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
I hadn't noticed until I considered buying wood for a bookcase last year and couldn't afford anything sturdy, like real wood. Gave up. Might be cheaper to use glass shelving.
42 posted on 07/05/2002 4:14:46 PM PDT by madfly
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To: mad_as_he$$
Get ready for Calif, Nevada, and Oregon to burn next. Our season is coming into full swing now.
43 posted on 07/05/2002 4:53:36 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: madfly
I hope Bush doesn't back down.
44 posted on 07/05/2002 4:57:40 PM PDT by swampfox98
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To: madfly
bttt
45 posted on 07/05/2002 5:25:56 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: madfly
Thanks a million for this Ping. Bookmarked for future needs. This is priceless.
46 posted on 07/05/2002 6:29:49 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: madfly
BUMP!!!!!! I don't have time to read it all right now, but this is looking better! I hope my neighbors in Grant County can get those forests near their homes cleaned up before the fire season hits them.
47 posted on 07/05/2002 10:17:03 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
Hopefully all of us in the West will get some darn rain, without flooding.
48 posted on 07/06/2002 7:42:02 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Carry_Okie; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; alaskanfan; ...
"A "Wise Forestry Policy" would be to get the government out of the forestry business."

Agreed, and while we're at it, every other business too.

49 posted on 07/07/2002 7:20:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I drove through the fire damaged area two days ago. It struck me that I saw 20-30 home-made signs that said 'Thank-you firefighters'. I couldn't help noting the irony of it in that the fire was started by a fire fighter. Even after the fire is over, there's still lots of work for firefighters as a result of the fire. They cut down all the burned trees so that the land is completely bare and then they plant saplings. It is a LOT of work.

We now have I think at least 4 times as many acres burn per year as we had 40 years ago. It does generate a lot of jobs. and everybody from the fire area seems to understand that the magnitude of the fires are made much worse by the environmentalists.

50 posted on 07/07/2002 7:42:28 PM PDT by Red Jones
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