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One of Apostles was a woman, Church is told
The Times (UK) ^ | July 06, 2002 | Our Religion Correspondent

Posted on 07/05/2002 7:21:05 PM PDT by aculeus

EVIDENCE that one of the Apostles of Jesus was a woman is being examined by leaders of the Church of England, who are debating whether women should be ordained bishops.

Joanna, who was close to Jesus during His ministry, changed her name to Junia and was recognised by St Paul as an Apostle, research to be published later this year found. Her role was ignored for centuries because medieval scholars altered the name to Junias to make it masculine.

Joanna, who was with Mary Magdalen when the empty tomb was discovered and taken as proof of the Resurrection, changed her Hebrew name to a Latin name to fit in with the Romanised culture of Tiberias, where she lived, Richard Bauckham, Professor of New Testament Studies at St Andrews University, says.

As Junia, she was described by St Paul in a letter to the Romans as “prominent among the Apostles”. She was a wealthy woman from King Herod’s court who turned to Jesus after seeing Him heal a friend’s wife, he says.

The defection of the powerful courtier to the new Christian movement was seen as even more scandalous because she was married to Chuza, one of Herod’s most influential stewards. Joanna converted her husband, changed the way she dressed and used her own money to support the mission.

Although it has been previously suggested in theological circles that the Apostle Junia was a female, she has never previously been linked to Joanna and the Herodian upper class of Tiberias.

The discovery suggests that not only was society far less patriarchal than previous research has shown, but that women such as Joanna may have used their wealth and standing in society to convert others to their cause. Joanna and Chuza were among the large numbers of disciples who gathered when Jesus appeared to rise from the dead. She witnessed the Crucifixion and Chuza later changed his name to Andronicus, Professor Bauckham says.

Professor Bauckham’s paper, Junia the Apostle, will be discussed during the meeting of the General Synod. Its presentation to a bishops’ working party on the theology of women in the episcopate will challenge the perception of the apostles that has dominated the Church since AD400.

Although Jerome, regarded as the most important religious scholar of that time, considered Junia to be a woman, subsequent translations in the Middle Ages and the King James Bible changed her name to the male Junias.

Robert Bartlett, Professor of Medieval History at St Andrews University, said: “If a name like Junia was a little ambiguous, the medieval scribes were quite likely to make mistakes. Certainly the medieval Church was male-dominated and wanted it to stay that way, but whether someone was cooking the books to make it appear that the Apostles were all men is not yet certain.” Medieval scribes were known for their inaccuracies, he said.

The assumption that the leading Apostles were all men has been one of the most unassailable arguments against the ordination of women bishops.

If the claim that Joanna and Junia were the same person, and that Junia was a woman and an Apostle is accepted, the argument for women bishops will have been all but won.

The “greatest surprise”, Professor Bauckham said, was that St Paul knew one of them “and considered her an outstanding Apostle”. Her high status would have conferred social legitimacy on the new religious movement.

After witnessing the Resurrection she left for Rome with her husband. Both were imprisoned for their beliefs and never heard of again.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apostle; catholiclist; christianlist; religion
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21 posted on 07/05/2002 8:08:34 PM PDT by narses
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To: tellw
The Irish comedian Dave Allen had a sketch in a confessional a woman priest and her friend having a cup of tea the Priestess says,'and you just wouldn't believe what else he's done' etc-YES THERE IS.
22 posted on 07/05/2002 8:11:13 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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To: aculeus; All
My knowledge of Christianity is somewhat smudged by years of intemperate Protestantism following a Catholic childhood, but the Monty Python view of this would no doubt be that she was a groupie, nothing more.
23 posted on 07/05/2002 8:13:50 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: skemper
Christians for Biblical Equality The exegetical evidence is on the side of a plethora of female apostles, elders and deacons in the New Testament. Sadly, the egalitarian ethic of Jesus was replaced by the chauvinism of Hellenistic and Jewish culture in the Church by the 2nd and 3rd Centuries. Junia was an apostle in her own right. CBE has some good articles online regarding such issues.
24 posted on 07/05/2002 8:16:40 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: aculeus
What with the early Christian requirement that male converts be circumcised, I would not be at all surprised that women played a dominant role in the early church. parsy the sensitive.
25 posted on 07/05/2002 8:19:12 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: aculeus
bump
26 posted on 07/05/2002 8:19:19 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: tellw
There are no physical limitations that can keep women from a priestly vocation.

Save blood, hormones and pregnancy leave for starters.

What is wrong with recognizing the fecundity and soft hearts of women as a blessing and leaving the combat duty and toeing of the line to men who are far more suited to such things?

Just as there is a natural division of labor between the male and female DNA in every first cell of every human being, so too there is a natural division of labor in human endeavors ... at home, work or in the Church.

27 posted on 07/05/2002 8:19:57 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: tellw
but do you call them father?
28 posted on 07/05/2002 8:21:05 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Antoninus
Anglicanism... worst reason for founding a religious sect - ever!

I'm Henry the Eighth, I am!

You got a problem with Kings that fancy themselves Popes?

29 posted on 07/05/2002 8:22:55 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: aculeus
I'd like to see their Scriptural basis for this. There were 12 Apostles of Jesus. One betrayed him and was replaced (#13). St. Paul is considered an honorary 14th Apostle as he never was acquainted with Jesus in the flesh. There are no more Apostles, male or female. Zero, zip, nada. Where are they getting this?

We already know that women were prominent in the ministry of Jesus. Joanna, Mary Magdalene and other wealthy women were the patronesses of Jesus. We know there were many prominent female disciples and patronesses, but I have never seen anything anywhere naming them as Apostles.

30 posted on 07/05/2002 8:23:01 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: parsifal

Sure that shouldn't be signed "Parsy the painful"

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31 posted on 07/05/2002 8:25:50 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: PresbyRev
I'm asking in a kind, non-hostile manner I assure you; do you have any Scriptural references you can give me??
32 posted on 07/05/2002 8:28:57 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: aculeus
This sounds to me like feminist propoganda!
33 posted on 07/05/2002 8:31:25 PM PDT by Conservative Chicagoan
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fyi
34 posted on 07/05/2002 8:39:36 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: goldenstategirl
I'm certainly no biblical scholar, but here's what seems to be a fairly rational discussion of the subject:

http://www.churchofgoddfw.com/monthly/junia.shtml

35 posted on 07/05/2002 8:44:03 PM PDT by Gee Wally
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To: goldenstategirl
Respectfully, we also know that Mary Magdalen was the first witnesses to the Resurrection, after every man in Christ's company until his arrest, abandoned him.
36 posted on 07/05/2002 8:46:31 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: aculeus
Wasn't there a female pope at one time?
37 posted on 07/05/2002 8:53:54 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Gee Wally
Thank you for the link.
38 posted on 07/05/2002 9:46:30 PM PDT by d4now
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To: Gee Wally; drstevej
Very interesting link. Thanks.

Steve, do you have any thoughts on this?

39 posted on 07/05/2002 9:57:22 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: onedoug
Yes, absolutely :-)
40 posted on 07/05/2002 9:58:28 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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