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Posted on 07/06/2002 3:43:39 AM PDT by freeper12
AMHERST Imagine that all the people who voted for Ralph Nader in the last presidential election got to cast a runner-up vote for Al Gore. Substitute candidates in Massachusetts elections the race for governor, say and you get the thrust of a ballot initiative being pushed by a local group dedicated to electoral reform.
The Fairvote Massachusetts Ballot Question Committee has filed a petition advocating a concept called "instant runoff voting." According to Amherst lawyer Peter Vickery, an organizer for Fairvote, instant runoff voting would eliminate the "spoiler candidate" who takes votes away from one of the two major contestants and ensure that the winner receives a majority of the votes rather than a plurality.
As Vickery explains it, each voter would be able to indicate a first, second and third choice in a race with more than two candidates. If no one receives a majority on the first count, the candidate with the least number of first-place votes would be eliminated and the second choice on those ballots allotted to the remaining candidates. The process would continue until one candidate compiles a majority of the votes.
The initiative would go on the November ballot in the 3rd Hampshire District, made up of Amherst and Granby, and ask that the representative for that district support legislation or a constitutional amendment that would allow instant runoff voting. Vickery calls the initiative an "advisory question" that would be nonbinding.
Fairvote collected 334 signatures in favor of the initiative, 134 more than needed, Vickery said. He filed the petition earlier this week. State Rep. Ellen Story, D-Amherst, who represents the 3rd Hampshire District, has already agreed to file a bill in the House supporting the concept.
"There's less than a month to go in the session, so the bill won't go anywhere," Story said. "This is just to get it on the radar screen in Boston."
Story said she will refile the bill next session. She noted that Australia and Ireland already use the system.
"The more I learn about it, the better it sounds," she said.
Supporters maintain that the concept is nonpartisan, pointing out that Libertarian candidates often take votes away from conservatives, just as Nader presumably took votes away from Gore. Vickery said that instant runoff voting would have an immediate effect in this year's gubernatorial election, which he expects will include Democratic, Republican, Libertarian and Green Party candidates.
James A.W. Shaw, president of Local 2322 of the United Auto Workers, said the union supports the initiative.
"(Fairvote) approached us, and it certainly fit right in with the kinds of things we're concerned with as far as electoral reform goes," he said. "The system we have now allows candidates not supported by a majority of voters to get elected." Fred Contrada can be reached at fcontrada@union-news.com
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: libertarians; ratvoterigging; votefraud
i.e. allow dumbocrats a 2nd vote in case they are too stupid to vote correctly the 1st time......what do you say about people that are this stupid...
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posted on
07/06/2002 3:43:40 AM PDT
by
freeper12
To: freeper12
They sure weren't talking about this in 1992 when Ross Perot was grabbing 20% of the vote and getting Bill Clinton elected.
To: freeper12
I was hoping that nader would get his 5%....oh well...I think it's good to shake things up a little....especialy if it's at the expense of the dems!
To: SamAdams76
IN Alaska, we have two conservative parties, repubs and alaska independents. It splits the conservative vote and we seem to get a dem governor elected too many times. Maybe having that filthy dem governor is a good thing though. Only thing that keeps the repub legislature honest and respectable. I'd hate to think how the repubs would act if those evil dems weren't there to blame, ha.
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posted on
07/06/2002 4:01:33 AM PDT
by
Eska
To: freeper12
Great idea, I'd love to vote twice <sarcasm
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posted on
07/06/2002 4:02:05 AM PDT
by
greydog
To: SamAdams76
Well stated, Sam. This is so annoying. Where WERE these voices in 1992? Be informed, vote your conscience, and stick with it.
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posted on
07/06/2002 4:02:35 AM PDT
by
DJ Frisat
Comment #7 Removed by Moderator
To: SamAdams76
They sure weren't talking about this in 1992 when Ross Perot was grabbing 20% of the vote and getting Bill Clinton elected. Right. BC never got 50% of the vote and was elected twice. I always thought it was unfair since that meant that less than 50% of the people wanted him.
The democrats are more aggressive than the repubs. Perot got Clinton elected twice! Let's face it, the three way race allows minority rule.
To: freeper12
The Rats are trying this in Maine too.
http://www.pressherald.com/vie wpoints/editorials/020705brune lle.shtml#nugget
Friday, July 5, 2002
COLUMN: Jim Brunelle
Instant runoff elections would guarantee majority votes
Copyright © 2002 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.
If, as Al Smith liked to say, the cure for the ills of democracy is more democracy, something called "instant runoff voting" may be the cure for nonmajority elections.
With two-party politics in terminal decline, more and more candidates are being elected to high political office by far fewer than a majority of votes cast.
This can happen whenever more than two candidates for the same office appear on the ballot. The candidate who accumulates the biggest vote total wins the election, even if it's only a plurality.
Gradually this is becoming a serious problem for the democratic process, leading as it does to election results that are less than clear-cut in terms of voter intentions.
The cure for the ills of less than clear-cut elections may be more elections. Or, in the case of instant runoff voting, more choices.
Here's how it works: Instead of just voting for a single candidate when there are three or more contenders for a given office, voters get to rank their choices in order of preference.
If any one candidate gets a majority of the votes, he or she is declared the winner. But if no one gets more than 50 percent of the vote, the candidate with the fewest first-choice votes is eliminated and the second-choice votes designated by that candidate's supporters are distributed accordingly to the remaining candidates.
This goes on until one candidate receives a clear majority.
Each of Maine's last four governors - Angus King, John McKernan, Joseph Brennan and James Longley - has won at least one election by less than a majority vote. King won with just over 35 percent in 1994.
The unaffiliated Longley's 39.1 percent victory in 1974 triggered the process, encouraging independent and third-party candidates to run in every election since.
Before Longley, while there were close elections - Kenneth Curtis in 1970 and John Reed in 1962 each won with a bare 50.1 percent - races were basically two-person contests, producing majority winners regardless of how thin the margin of victory.
All that changed when multicandidate elections became the norm.
There's a good chance the history of Maine government over the past three decades would have been vastly different if a ballot mechanism ensuring a majority winner had been in place.
Several states, mostly in the South, currently use two-round runoffs to settle elections when no candidate wins a majority the first time around.
But two-round runoffs have several drawbacks, including the public cost of holding a second election, the inconvenience to voters, changes in voter turnout between elections, the need for candidates to raise more money and the inevitable intensification of negative campaigning of the sort that turns voters off and diminishes the election process.
Instant runoff voting, on the other hand, avoids all of these problems and produces a winner by majority vote quickly and surely, using available technology.
Much has been made of the idea that Jonathan Carter, who is currently running as the Green Independent Party candidate for governor, is little more than a spoiler in this year's race. Supporters of Democratic candidate John Baldacci reportedly tried to talk Carter out of running since it was thought he would draw most of his votes from people who would otherwise vote for a Democrat.
This is not an idle theory. In 1994, the difference between independent King and Democrat Brennan was less than 2 percentage points. Carter, who also ran that year, took 6.4 percent of the vote.
It was a meager showing, but it was large enough to have changed the outcome if most of those votes had gone to Brennan, which was not only likely but probable.
Instant runoff voting would eliminate that "spoiler" factor in elections.
It's not exactly a new idea. Instant runoff voting was the brainchild of an MIT professor in the late 19th century and was first used in Australia and later in Ireland. A few states have flirted with the process over the years but it never really caught on.
But signs of renewed interest in the idea have recently surfaced. As of this year, San Francisco will begin using the system for city elections. Vermonters overwhelmingly endorsed the concept at town meetings this spring. Alaska voters will address the proposal in August.
A bill to establish instant runoff voting in Maine was introduced in the Legislature last year, but it went nowhere. Americans do not change democratic traditions easily.
But this is one reform that needs to be considered seriously if we are to preserve the fundamental principle of democracy - majority rule.
Jim Brunelle (e-mail: jbrune@maine.rr.com) comments on politics and other issues for the Portland Press Herald.
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posted on
07/06/2002 5:00:28 AM PDT
by
ozone1
To: freeper12
There's a commie from the "Green" Party on C-SPAN right now who was pushing this idea a few minutes ago. Anything to get the leftists in power.
To: freeper12
Story said she will refile the bill next session. She noted that Australia and Ireland already use the system.Boy, you can't ask for any more ringing endorsement than that, can you?
Earth to Story: We don't have a parliamentary system. One person, one vote. PERIOD. Anything else is playing games with the system. Oh, hell, let's just say it: It's RIGGING the system.
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posted on
07/06/2002 6:48:19 AM PDT
by
Timesink
To: Timesink
I will ditto your remarks and add that the current system keeps the nuts out of congress and forces middle of the road candidates. This is mostly a good thing. The proposed instant run off allows people to cast their first vote for a nut case enabling a better chance for the nutcases to gain credibility. Put it another way, it's more likely to have jesse jackson and david duke as viable candidates as voting for them would not be wasting your vote like it is in today's system.
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posted on
07/06/2002 9:24:40 AM PDT
by
staytrue
To: *libertarians
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