CALIFORNIA WILDERNESS COALITION CONTROVERSY GROWS

4x4wire.com ^ | May 31, 2002 | by: John Stewart

[mafree]

Bump- thanks for the links backhoe.

[madfly]

Well thanks for the link. He's not much of a speaker for someone who has a nobel peace prize in his pocket. He seems to have found a way to fit "disarmament" into quite a few of his answers. Hmm, I wonder how that BATF probe into his illegal weapons case is going in New York??

[MissAmericanPie]

I believe it, I have suspected some of these guys have designs on our food supply. What about sustainable development? Anti-fast food, anti-soft drinks, potato chips, frozen food, the list goes on.

This is what kills me about sheep though, they will just change their eating habits and not say a word.

[Carry_Okie]

I believe it, I have suspected some of these guys have designs on our food supply.

The United States is a net food importing nation. We used to "feed the world". Now Lloyd Bensten leads a consortium of investors in Mexico. Cattle come from Pakistan into Argentina, into Mexico, into the US under NAFTA, and because it is butchered here it's called American beef. The meat packers (there are now only eight) have the political muscle to prevent domestic labeling. Tyson is moving operations to South America and going into aquaculture big time. Now because of ocean trawlers from other nations, we are regulating our own domestic private fishing fleet out of existence, all on "environmental" grounds.

As long as the food is still at Safeway there's nary a peep. The integrity of the product is seldom questioned. What guarantees that trans-shipment security? The US military. Can we really do that fighting a global battle? If there is a domestic crisis, where will you run? Are you expecting a farmer or rancher to be there? No one askes these questions, yet isn't domestic production capacity a part of civil defense?

I'm worried for our nation, and it isn't some paranoid fantasy to suggest that there are many who do mean us ill. So why aren't we addressing these questions?

[MissAmericanPie]

When government begins to tell you to wear seat belts, not to smoke, what to eat, what you can't say, and demands your bank keep an eye on you, nothing is paranoid anymore.

I tell myself it is because it is meant to be, biblically speaking. That time pre-anti Christ, where things are being set up so that not only are you told what you can buy, but if you can buy. It seems to be happening ever faster now per Agenda 21.

[Glutton]

Interesting perspective; and one thing that is worrisome to me is the continuing loss of top farmland to development.

We can't get the toothpaste back in the tube and grow crops on paved over and built up land if by chance we suddenly need it.

It is something to think about anyways.

[Carry_Okie]

Interesting perspective; and one thing that is worrisome to me is the continuing loss of top farmland to development.

We are losing far more farmland to simple retirements. What we lose when that happens is the knowledge of the farmer of that piece of land as well as the infrastructure that served his business (equipment mechanics, local suppliers, and experienced field workers). What also usually happens is rapid weed infestation. Webb Ranch under the Pacific Coast Land Trust (North of Santa Cruz) was a classic, you should have seen all the hemlock and thistles. Now they plow it every year and don't grow anything. It's sickening.

As far as I am concerned, civil defense services is a perfectly rational business for a farmer adjoining an urban area. All it would take is for government to respect those contracts and not commandeer the property. See? Now you know why the service doesn't exist: government has a monopoly on CIVIL defense and the right to commandeer the farm (as if bureaucrats could take care of a mass of desperate people on a farm). Think about how stupid that is.